Liberal Protests

[All_Pro_Bills]

40 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Unarmed man shot in the back several times while his kids watched

So you're the cops and an "unarmed" man who is acting erratic and refuses to comply with your requests walks over to the drivers side door of his vehicle, opens the door, and then what?  He's going to just drive away and say let's forget it all?  Or is he going to come out with a weapon and kill you?  Who could be sure? 

Maybe you should stop making excuses for people that don't have enough smarts to just comply with what the police are telling you and avoid the chance you might get shot?

[BillsFanNC]

 

Bingo.

 

 

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

6 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

So you're the cops and an "unarmed" man who is acting erratic and refuses to comply with your requests walks over to the drivers side door of his vehicle, opens the door, and then what?  He's going to just drive away and say let's forget it all?  Or is he going to come out with a weapon and kill you?  Who could be sure? 

Maybe you should stop making excuses for people that don't have enough smarts to just comply with what the police are telling you and avoid the chance you might get shot?

I agree with you that the widespread accessibility of guns has cops very scared. But shooting a dude in the back because, you know, maybe he might do something, is pretty evil. But you guys seem to be gaining political ground with this bloodshed. I suppose there will be more extra judicial capital punishment happening all over the country now. Trump’s goons got the message 

7 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

Bingo.

 

 

Shot several times in back in front of his children, ya, why are people even angry, ya know like, really? 

[Reality Check]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

I agree with you that the widespread accessibility of guns has cops very scared. But shooting a dude in the back because, you know, maybe he might do something, is pretty evil. But you guys seem to be gaining political ground with this bloodshed. I suppose there will be more extra judicial capital punishment happening all over the country now. Trump’s goons got the message 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

12 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

Bingo.

 

 

BLM is a rebranded version of the Black Panthers and their "black nationalist" philosophy with a fresh new coat of social justice paint to make it all look nice and shinny and clean.   

[IYKYK]

9 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

I agree with you that the widespread accessibility of guns has cops very scared. But shooting a dude in the back because, you know, maybe he might do something, is pretty evil. But you guys seem to be gaining political ground with this bloodshed. I suppose there will be more extra judicial capital punishment happening all over the country now. Trump’s goons got the message 

Shot several times in back in front of his children, ya, why are people even angry, ya know like, really? 

Maybe the left needs to execute five year old white kids to get the message across?  You know, for george floyd.

[BillsFanNC]

 

[SectionC3]

52 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  I said that we are seeing the decline of big labor.  You agree with that?  Kenosha is no longer the industrial center it was for a lot of the 20th Century including being the home town for America Motors Corp.  The people who believed in voting Democrat because that was the directive of the labor union local are dying off.  If you worked for AMC from 1945 until the 1980's when it was sold off to Chrysler you are 90 and don't care anymore if you are alive at all.  

Unfortunately, yes, I agree.  Laborers are voting against their own interests, and Trump’s lies have eaten away at union strength.  Unions don’t vote as a block like they used to.  

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

10 minutes ago, westside2 said:

Maybe the left needs to execute five year old white kids to get the message across?  You know, for george floyd.

That dudes in jail, right? 

5 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Unfortunately, yes, I agree.  Laborers are voting against their own interests, and Trump’s lies have eaten away at union strength.  Unions don’t vote as a block like they used to.  

Divide by race and conquer 

[ziltoid]

14 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

 

Legally, what is within her rights to do?  Just lean a little further back into her chair?  Accept the covid spittle into her mouth and eyes?

 

@SectionC3, you're a lawyer right?  Care to weigh in?

[RochesterRob]

27 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Unfortunately, yes, I agree.  Laborers are voting against their own interests, and Trump’s lies have eaten away at union strength.  Unions don’t vote as a block like they used to.  

  You are missing the point.  The unions were in steep decline long before Trump came along and I do not agree with your assessment regarding him.  AMC's best years were from the mid 1950's (when a bunch of smaller companies such as Nash were combined to form AMC) when AMC was formed until the late 1980's when AMC was bought and most of its products were discontinued.  A shame in some respects as some designs such as the Eagle lived on in other manufacturers lines namely Subaru.  

Edited August 25, 2020 by RochesterRob

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

(Already covered -- but good point)

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

32 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Unfortunately, yes, I agree.  Laborers are voting against their own interests, and Trump’s lies have eaten away at union strength.  Unions don’t vote as a block like they used to.  

Although its fashionable to blame Trump for everything the decline of union membership has nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with the globalization movement.  The decline began in the late 1970's and accelerated into the end of the 20th century.  First factories and businesses fled the Northeast and Midwest for the union-free South and "right to work" states.  Later to other countries like Mexico with NAFTA and China via the granting of most favored nation trade status.  The deal with China  and other Asian countries like Japan was a trade of American jobs and access to the lucrative U.S. market in exchange for creating a market for the purchase of U.S. debt that funded deficit spending and all shorts of social and defense programs. 

These former union and middle class workers that saw their standard of living downsized voted for Trump because nobody else even recognized their existence.  Or provided them any hope for the future.  Certainly not the Democratic party or Hillary Clinton who labeled them as "deplorables".   The Democrats long abandoned these people for fringe social causes that caused the party platform to drift to the left while embracing the promise of the new economy and the technology provided by the silicon valley oligarchs.  

So here we are today with a hollowed out economy massively in debt with no hope of paying any of it back with everybody on their iPhones hiding in their homes watching riots and looting in the streets demanding all kinds of free stuff and payoffs while we wait for a November election disaster and what should be a long and painful economic depression when it finally hits home that there's nothing left to redistribute and everybody's on their own.       

Edited August 25, 2020 by All_Pro_Bills

[SectionC3]

12 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  You are missing the point.  The unions were in steep decline long before Trump came along and I do not agree with your assessment regarding him.  AMC's best years were from the mid 1950's (when a bunch of smaller companies such as Nash were combined to form AMC) when AMC was formed until the late 1980's when AMC was bought and most of its products were discontinued.  A shame in some respects as some designs such as the Eagle lived on in other manufacturers lines namely Subaru.  

I’m not missing the point.  Union members, at least in the manufacturing sector, typically are white males who buy Trump’s lies.  Yes, that collectivity and strength was fading before Trump.  But Trump has accelerated the process.  Good for rich people, bad for the working class. 

[SectionC3]

Just now, All_Pro_Bills said:

Although its fashionable to blame Trump for everything the decline of union membership has nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with the globalization movement.  The decline began in the late 1970's and accelerated into the end of the 20th century.  First factories and businesses fled the Northeast and Midwest for the union-free South and "right to work" states.  Later to other countries like Mexico with NAFTA and China via the granting of most favored nation trade status.  The deal with China  and other Asian countries like Japan was a trade of American jobs and access to the lucrative U.S. market in exchange for creating a market for the purchase of U.S. debt that funded deficit spending and all shorts of social and defense programs. 

These former union and middle class workers that saw their standard of living downsized voted for Trump because nobody else even recognized their existence.  Or provided them any hope for the future.  Certainly not the Democratic party or Hillary Clinton who labeled them as "deplorables".   The Democrats long abandoned these people for fringe social causes that caused the party platform to drift to the left while embracing the promise of the new economy and the of technology provided by the silicon valley oligarchs.  

So here we are today with a hollowed out economy massively in debt with no hope of paying any of it back with everybody on their iPhones hiding in their homes watching riots and looting in the streets demanding all kinds of free stuff and payoffs while we wait for a November election disaster and what should be a long and painful economic depression when it finally hits home that there's nothing left to redistribute and everybody's on their own.       

 

I agree with you on the “recognition” point.  See my Prada and pearls comment.  

 

I think you’re focusing on manufacturing, and your points about the flight of manufacturing jobs (due in some part to bad trade deals and in other, significant part to the fact that it’s simply cheaper to make things when you pay people only a couple of bucks an hour) largely is fair.  The problem, of course, is that crappy trade deals or not, those people always were going to be left behind as technology evolved.  Trump said he would do something for them, and he really hasn’t.  On top of that, with respect to unions as a whole, Trump and Republicans did grave damage to public unions through the Supreme Court’s Janus decision — an assault upon stare decisis if ever there was one — and ignored the rule of law to manufacture a result that significantly undercut non-manufacturing unions, such as teachers unions, police unions, and elements of unions representing health care workers.  

 

The disaster point is something with which I probably disagree.  If you’re suggesting that Biden will be a disaster, I couldn’t disagree more strongly.  (As an aside, if this current state of affairs isn’t a disaster, I don’t know what is.)  If you’re suggesting the election will be a mess because it’s going to take time for largely Democratic absentees to arrive and to be counted, and that those arrivals will be Biden’s margin of victory, and that in the meantime Trump will lie and claim a rigged election and the idiots who follow him will buy it and threaten to throw the country into chaos, then yes, I agree.  I worry about that every day. 

[BillStime]

 

[SectionC3]

28 minutes ago, BeerLeagueHockey said:

 

Legally, what is within her rights to do?  Just lean a little further back into her chair?  Accept the covid spittle into her mouth and eyes?

 

@SectionC3, you're a lawyer right?  Care to weigh in?

 

Isn’t the virus a hoax?  So the spittle point, assuming there was spittle, is not moving to me.  (And she has a mask on, so I’m not going to worry about the mouth issue.  And it also doesn’t appear that she was spat upon, so we’re going to skip right past that.) 

 

Your question otherwise is pretty vague.  Can she talk or get up and walk away?  Sure.  Why not?  If you’re getting at an application of force question, the first thing she has to do in this scenario (involving a “threat” of non-deadly force and not involving a burglary of her home, assuming she’s in Wisconsin and the law there is the same as it is in NYS) is retreat.  It doesn’t look like anyone or anything blocked that.  So if you’re suggesting that she should have been able to strike/shoot/whatever one of the people around her, I don’t think it would have been justified based on what I saw.  

 

[Reality Check]

18 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

I’m not missing the point.  Union members, at least in the manufacturing sector, typically are white males who buy Trump’s lies.  Yes, that collectivity and strength was fading before Trump.  But Trump has accelerated the process.  Good for rich people, bad for the working class. 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

26 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

I agree with you on the “recognition” point.  See my Prada and pearls comment.  

 

I think you’re focusing on manufacturing, and your points about the flight of manufacturing jobs (due in some part to bad trade deals and in other, significant part to the fact that it’s simply cheaper to make things when you pay people only a couple of bucks an hour) largely is fair.  The problem, of course, is that crappy trade deals or not, those people always were going to be left behind as technology evolved.  Trump said he would do something for them, and he really hasn’t.  On top of that, with respect to unions as a whole, Trump and Republicans did grave damage to public unions through the Supreme Court’s Janus decision — an assault upon stare decisis if ever there was one — and ignored the rule of law to manufacture a result that significantly undercut non-manufacturing unions, such as teachers unions, police unions, and elements of unions representing health care workers.  

 

The disaster point is something with which I probably disagree.  If you’re suggesting that Biden will be a disaster, I couldn’t disagree more strongly.  (As an aside, if this current state of affairs isn’t a disaster, I don’t know what is.)  If you’re suggesting the election will be a mess because it’s going to take time for largely Democratic absentees to arrive and to be counted, and that those arrivals will be Biden’s margin of victory, and that in the meantime Trump will lie and claim a rigged election and the idiots who follow him will buy it and threaten to throw the country into chaos, then yes, I agree.  I worry about that every day. 

First all politicians lie.  The entire system depends on lying.  And I believe that no matter who "wins" the election there's going to be trouble.  Expect court battle over vote fraud and/or suppression in the hotly contested battle ground states.  We might not know the winner for months.  This will cause all kinds of social and economic disruptions.  And if Trump happens to pull it off again in November the fringe left is going to completely freak out.  If Biden wins I don't see him completing the entire 4 year term.  I'm expecting trouble with the economy no matter which candidate wins.  There's simply too much debt and not enough productive activity. Eventually, all that borrowing which pulls future consumption to the present consumes all of your income.  Most important, the U.S. is afforded a "grand privilege" from the world's use of the U.S. dollar as the official reserve and trade settlement currency of the world.  It's a blank check that others do not have the ability to access and use.  Its what allows huge deficits and the consumption of goods and services way over and above what we produce.  That is slowly but surely coming to an end.  If there's one place where Trump has done the most damage it has been in pulling forward this day of reckoning.  The immediate impacts will be much higher prices for everything and a downward adjustment in everyone's standard of living that doesn't do some preparation and planning for that event.       

Edited August 25, 2020 by All_Pro_Bills

[RiotAct]

22 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

I mean, yeah, laws exist for a reason.