The Avenger Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 I like the horse collar change - I could never understand why you had to have your hand inside a player's collar to be called - it's the same dangerous tackle even if you pull a guy down from the top of his jersey like that. A facemask is a facemask and a horse collar is a horse collar - the exact form used should be irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnzane Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 I like the horse collar change - I could never understand why you had to have your hand inside a player's collar to be called - it's the same dangerous tackle even if you pull a guy down from the top of his jersey like that. A facemask is a facemask and a horse collar is a horse collar - the exact form used should be irrelevant. It is slightly different. When you grab the inside of the jersey, you are getting a different, stronger leverage to take down the player, where on the outside of the jersey, even higher up, there is less leverage and typically less likely to damage the ball carrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 22, 2016 Author Share Posted March 22, 2016 @judybattista John Mara said owners will take up ejection rule and touchback at 25 Wednesday. May vote or table until May. @RapSheet Ian Rapoport Retweeted Judy Battista Likelihood is a 1-year experiment, similar to what the NFL did for PATs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 A lineman and fullback are predictably unhappy with new chop block rule This could be a good move for player safety but it could also have an adverse effect on the run game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 @PatKirwanCBS Head coaches that have zone run schemes seem ok about the no chop block but their o-line coaches don't seem as confident about the new rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 Lol, the game would be 7 hours long if every coach could do this. No way this passes. The proposal doesn't call for an unlimited number of challenges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 Ah two or three challenges for any call? Actually not a bad idea... Unfortunately nobody knows what a catch or pass interference is. The rules are so subjective that making them reviewable won't change much outside of the blantantly awful calls. In many cases that would be a huge difference with exhibit A being the phantom PI call on Nickell Robey in the Jaguars' game in London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 @adamschefter NFL owners approved ejections for two unsportsmanlike conduct penalties. @espnstatsinfo The only player to receive 2 unsportsmanlike conduct penalties in 1 game last season was Brian Orakpo in Week 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 @RapSheet Stephen Jones tells me the automatic ejection proposal passed for a year. So did the 25-yard-line touchbacks on kickoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 @RapSheet Stephen Jones tells me the automatic ejection proposal passed for a year. So did the 25-yard-line touchbacks on kickoffs. It will no longer make sense to return kickoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 It will no longer make sense to return kickoffs. Kickoffs short of the EZ with plenty of hang time might become more prevalent with the intention of keeping teams short of the 25 yard. @viccarucci #Bills proposal to allow #NFL coaches to challenge all plays did not pass in voting by team owners. @MichaelDavSmith @FO_ScottKacsmar @ChrisTrapasso The new touchback rule applies only to kickoffs. On punts, a touchback still goes to the 20-yard line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Kickoffs short of the EZ with plenty of hang time might become more prevalent with the intention of keeping teams short of the 25 yard. @viccarucci #Bills proposal to allow #NFL coaches to challenge all plays did not pass in voting by team owners. There is a limit to hang time and if the average return is 28 yards coming out of the end zone, why would the kicking team give the receiving team a head start on the return? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 @MatthewFairburn The Bills' bylaw proposal passed. It will allow teams to choose to designate an IR player to return later on giving teams more flexibility. There is a limit to hang time and if the average return is 28 yards coming out of the end zone, why would the kicking team give the receiving team a head start on the return? 28 ypr on kickoffs? I doubt that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 @mikerodak The Bills' injured reserve/designated to return bylaw change passed. Allows more flexibility for teams in deciding which player can return. Old IR rule was to designate player to return when he went on IR. Bills' ratified changed allows teams to pick from existing IR players. Competition committee chair Rich McKay calls Bills' bylaw change, "a good idea by Buffalo that will serve the clubs well." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 100% agree. It makes no sense at all. On the bright side, if they make that change the Bills don't need to waste a roster spot for a KO specialist any longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 @adamschefter NFL owners approved ejections for two unsportsmanlike conduct penalties. @espnstatsinfo The only player to receive 2 unsportsmanlike conduct penalties in 1 game last season was Brian Orakpo in Week 9. OBJ deserved 3 for that Panthers game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 The rules are so subjective that making them reviewable won't change much outside of the blantantly awful calls. to be fair, the call is done pretty well thousands of times a year, but we hang on the handful that upset us. its not perfect, but theres no such thing when governing what is a catch. no matter what the rule there will be times when fans are frustrated by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullim4 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Kickoffs short of the EZ with plenty of hang time might become more prevalent with the intention of keeping teams short of the 25 yard. ... @MichaelDavSmith @FO_ScottKacsmar @ChrisTrapasso The new touchback rule applies only to kickoffs. On punts, a touchback still goes to the 20-yard line. Not a fan of this rule change at all for a couple reasons: - As you mention, this is going to encourage kickers to aim kickoffs somewhere between the 5 and 1 yard lines. On a majority of kickoffs, it seems like the return man is stopped either at the 20, or short of the 20. So, if you are the kicking team, why would you aim for a touchback and give your opponent 25% of the field for free? For that matter, why not try to pop a kick with lots of hangtime somewhere around the 15, forcing a fair catch? This rule change just feels all sorts of stupid. - Why the inconsistency between the 20/25 yd lines with respect to kickoffs and punts? I don't see how punt returns are any less dangerous than kickoffs, if player safety is the true intent behind the change. This feels like a Roger Goodell, "change for the sake of change" idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) @MatthewFairburn The Bills' bylaw proposal passed. It will allow teams to choose to designate an IR player to return later on giving teams more flexibility. 28 ypr on kickoffs? I doubt that. Sorry a typo, it's 23. Not a fan of this rule change at all for a couple reasons: - As you mention, this is going to encourage kickers to aim kickoffs somewhere between the 5 and 1 yard lines. On a majority of kickoffs, it seems like the return man is stopped either at the 20, or short of the 20. So, if you are the kicking team, why would you aim for a touchback and give your opponent 25% of the field for free? For that matter, why not try to pop a kick with lots of hangtime somewhere around the 15, forcing a fair catch? This rule change just feels all sorts of stupid. - Why the inconsistency between the 20/25 yd lines with respect to kickoffs and punts? I don't see how punt returns are any less dangerous than kickoffs, if player safety is the true intent behind the change. This feels like a Roger Goodell, "change for the sake of change" idea. Really?? Goodell has nothing to do with these rule changes. Edited March 23, 2016 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talley56 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Not a fan of the touchbacks starting at the 20 rule. I wasn't a fan when they did it in college either. The last thing guys like Tom Brady and Aaron Rogers need is a shorter field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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