Deranged Rhino Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Spotrac has Bills cap number of top 51 as of today at $158M. Using that number without factoring in the numerous ways in which the Bills can reduce that number is called having an agenda... either that or it's willful ignorance The Bills are in fine cap shape. Even a casual investigation into the situation will make this pretty clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) Using that number without factoring in the numerous ways in which the Bills can reduce that number is called having an agenda... either that or it's willful ignorance The Bills are in fine cap shape. Even a casual investigation into the situation will make this pretty clear. Only a delusional fan and someone who doesn't understand the cap (the real world realities) would call the Bills cap situation fine Edited February 15, 2016 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 The bolded is exactly how it is going to play out. Even 45 million in cap room (take into account the bump) is not enough to replace the hypothetical of re-signing glenn and gilmore and replacing 6 STARTERS, other free agents, rookie pool etc. Even 50 million is not enough. This thread is a lot of pie in the sky, but in reality it is going to be much more difficult when 31 other teams are trying to fill their rosters as well. This team is not going to be better next year and it is going to be a direct result of the cap situation. A few things here - I apologize if it has already been covered by while we dont have a ton of cap space we are in fact one of the teams in the league that has the MOST players under contract. Which basically means we have already bought a lot of our groceries. - Doug Whaley has been pretty steady on saying this whole off season that we were not going to be players in free agency and will be looking to sign our own guys......do people think he is lying? It makes perfect sense actually. We will not have shiny new toys this year for christmas. - I think they WILL get Cog and Glenn resigned. - People that are soooo sure that the team will not be better going into next year really need to take a deep breath.....it is not going to take 6 replacement of starters or whatever to get this thing straightened out......it is going to take some offseason reevaluation of players we do have.......some positional D changes.....some guys going into their 2nd year of the D......a few draft picks to make contributions......and better communication between coaches and players Not ENTIRELY unreasonable If you are sitting here in the offseason expecting or wanting this team to be better in Rex year number 2? I dont know what to tell you Only a delusional fan and someone who doesn't understand the cap (the real world realities) would call the Bills cap situation fine So you simply choose to ignore the fact that the bills are not over the cap and can make moves to get under it enough to sign their own players and some mid tier free agents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Only a delusional fan and someone who doesn't understand the cap (the real world realities) would call the Bills cap situation fine ...Someone sure doesn't understand the cap, and it's not me. It's probably the guy who's been crusading for months that the Bills are in cap hell when evidence is to the contrary. But I get it, you have to have more than a casual understanding of the cap in order to understand it. That's probably why you don't quite get it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 ...Someone sure doesn't understand the cap, and it's not me. It's probably the guy who's been crusading for months that the Bills are in cap hell when evidence is to the contrary. But I get it, you have to have more than a casual understanding of the cap in order to understand it. That's probably why you don't quite get it yet. The site owner of OverTheCap disagrees with you as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 15, 2016 Author Share Posted February 15, 2016 Spotrac has Bills cap number of top 51 as of today at $158M. $157M and change Also has the Bills' team cap with rollover at $158M and change (based on an NFL cap number of $154M), so they're not over at all at this moment. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/ As many of us have said, the team's cap situation is limiting to a degree, but hardly dire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 FYI Aaron Williams isn't retiring, he's 100% healthy and raring to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 The site owner of OverTheCap disagrees with you as well. That's also incorrect. The only way you can make the argument that the Bills are in cap hell is if you believe the cap is not fluid or flexible -- which is just false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) That's also incorrect. The only way you can make the argument that the Bills are in cap hell is if you believe the cap is not fluid or flexible -- which is just false. It's because you don't understand that being "fluid" or "flexible" also comes with ramifications. Edited February 15, 2016 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 It's because you understand that being "fluid" or "flexible" also comes with ramifications. such as? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 It's because you understand that being "fluid" or "flexible" also comes with ramifications. If I am reading this right the Bills are $157,833,117 in cap for the top 51. They also have a rollover of $4,307,609. If the cap is $155M the Bills have $1.6M and then another $12.9M when they cut Mario. Am I right in assuming that the Bills are going to be about $14.5M under for the top 51? Where is Dibs when you need him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) such as? The most popular ideas are: Cut 6 starters and we have 30-35 million in cap space? Casual fan logic is we are not in cap hell and have lots of cap space now. Reality is you have to sign Glenn and Incognito and replace 6 starters through free agency and the draft. Just restructure Clay. Well first he has to agree to restructure. Second you are pushing a significant higher cap number of Clay when you have to allot money to a pending QB and CB contract which will have MAJOR ramifications on the future cap from 2017 onward. Bills will just get themselves in the same situation they are in now if they make moves like people recommend with Clay. Edited February 15, 2016 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 15, 2016 Author Share Posted February 15, 2016 If I am reading this right the Bills are $157,833,117 in cap for the top 51. They also have a rollover of $4,307,609. If the cap is $155M the Bills have $1.6M and then another $12.9M when they cut Mario. Am I right in assuming that the Bills are going to be about $14.5M under for the top 51? Where is Dibs when you need him Correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 The most popular ideas are: Cut 6 starters and we have 30-35 million in cap space? Casual fan logic is we are not in cap hell and have lots of cap space now. Reality is you have to sign Glenn and Incognito and replace 6 starters through free agency and the draft. Just restructure Clay. Well first he has to agree to restructure. Second you a pushing a higher cap number of Clay;s when you have to allot money to a pending QB and CB contract which which have major ramifications on the future cap from 2017 onward. Bills will just get themselves in the same situation they are in now. Everyone always agrees to restructure because the money becomes a signing bonus and paid immediately while the cap hit is spread through the life of the contract. Bandit has argues to NOT restructure Clay this offseason to have him at a friendly cap number after this year. Correct Leo is another $3.9M, Boobie $1.2M, The Bills are in okay shape then. There are certainly some options Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 The most popular ideas are: Cut 6 starters and we have 30-35 million in cap space? Casual fan logic is we are not in cap hell and have lots of cap space now. Reality is you have to sign Glenn and Incognito and replace 6 starters through free agency and the draft. Just restructure Clay. Well first he has to agree to restructure. Second you are pushing a significant higher cap number of Clay when you have to allot money to a pending QB and CB contract which will have MAJOR ramifications on the future cap from 2017 onward. Bills will just get themselves in the same situation they are in now if they make moves like people recommend with Clay. No one is talking about cutting 6 starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) The most popular ideas are: Cut 6 starters and we have 30-35 million in cap space? Casual fan logic is we are not in cap hell and have lots of cap space now. Reality is you have to sign Glenn and Incognito and replace 6 starters through free agency and the draft. Just restructure Clay. Well first he has to agree to restructure. Second you are pushing a significant higher cap number of Clay when you have to allot money to a pending QB and CB contract which will have MAJOR ramifications on the future cap from 2017 onward. Bills will just get themselves in the same situation they are in now if they make moves like people recommend with Clay. it isn't casual fan logic. It's just how the cap is worked by NFL FOs. And it isn't as black and white as you seem to want to make it. There is indeed an area in between "cap hell" and "lots of cap space." We won't have "lots" of cap space. Most good teams don't. Most bad teams do because they don't have good players in their prime with big contracts. It's not about the race to win the salary cap space bowl. It's about having "enough" cap space to keep the players you want to keep. They aren't going after any high priced FAs. It's a weak FA class to begin with and a lot of guys are going to get overpaid. Signing your own guys is achieved through flexibility,fluidity and the ability with the Pegulas to creatively structure contracts. Who are the six starters the Bills need to cut? Edited February 15, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 it isn't casual fan logic. And it isn't as black and white as you seem to want hi make it. There is indeed an area in between "cap hell" and "lots of cap space." We won't have "lots" of cap space. Most good teams don't. Most bad teams do because they don't have good players in their prime with big contracts. It's not about the race to win the salary cap space bowl. It's about having "enough" cap space. This is achieved through flexibility,fluidity and the ability with the Pegulas to creatively structure contracts. Who are the six starters the Bills need to cut? Mario (who's numbers will be easily replaced at a much lesser dollar figure) Leodis (who is basically a starter but again his production is replaceable for cheaper /he may restructure) ... That's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 it isn't casual fan logic. It's just how the cap is worked by NFL FOs. And it isn't as black and white as you seem to want to make it. There is indeed an area in between "cap hell" and "lots of cap space." We won't have "lots" of cap space. Most good teams don't. Most bad teams do because they don't have good players in their prime with big contracts. It's not about the race to win the salary cap space bowl. It's about having "enough" cap space to keep the players you want to keep. They aren't going after any high priced FAs. It's a weak FA class to begin with and a lot of guys are going to get overpaid. Signing your own guys is achieved through flexibility,fluidity and the ability with the Pegulas to creatively structure contracts. Who are the six starters the Bills need to cut? Just from my quick math above Bobbie + Leo + Mario leaves the Bills roughly $20M under the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 No one is talking about cutting 6 starters. I guess you didn't read the original post to this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Just from my quick math above Bobbie + Leo + Mario leaves the Bills roughly $20M under the cap.so one "starter" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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