BackInDaDay Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 tom cable's zone blocking schemes and marshawn lynch's ability to transform ( like terrel davis and clinton portis did for shanahan) into a fine one-cut power back is what made russell's job simpler - that and pete carroll's adapting some collegiate spread option ideas into his O (see auburn's malzahn). before the league transformed into a 7 on 7 drill to increase offensive touches that could be spread across enough players to satisfy several fantasy league rosters - an O line was the foundation upon which a consistently productive O was built. now, as Marcell's quote points out - the relevance of engaging and holding blocks has become secondary to offensive execution. so, yeah.. grab yourself a spread option athlete who can make all the throws.. while you're at it.. grab a few.. and change Al's old mantra from 'just win, baby' to 'plug and play, baby' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 There is a popular myth here that says QBs do everything and the other 10 players mean nothing. There is a reason football uses 11 players and it's called a team. Bill Belichick's famous quote is "do your job" not "you 10 guys just stand there while Brady does all the work." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 What's more important? What should you get first? Build a great OL or get a good QB then address the OL? CBF Whaley doesn't know how to do either apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wazzu Bill Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 OL. No great QB's in the draft class. Go after a FA QB like Stafford. Stafford won't be leaving the Lions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Great qb. Period. Single most important position in any sport and his play affects everyone else on the field for better or worse. Rivers is a franchise QB in San Diego , 3-8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Rivers is a franchise QB in San Diego , 3-8 And they have the #6 offense in the NFL in yards/game, and #10 in yards/play. I don't think he's the problem, and he's certainly done just fine compensating for the OL, which is the discussion at hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Rivers is a franchise QB in San Diego , 3-8 WRT PR how many seasons does he have with a winning record prior to 2015 I know a lot of posters @ TBD wanted Mr P Rivers in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Rivers is a franchise QB in San Diego , 3-8 Dallas has a great OL, 3-8, without or with a hurt Romo, a franchise QB just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 I believe that Wilson was among the most-sacked QBs in the NFL each of the last 2 seasons, and is there again this year. I agree that he compensates, but my point is simply that he's not really an outlier. The year that Ben and Rodgers met in the Superbowl, each was among the most-sacked QBs in the league. Brady does his line far more favors than they do for him, as I'm sure you know. I'm fine disagreeing, as I'm only trying to say that a good QB can overcome a deficient OL more readily than a good OL can help a deficient QB. I agree completely with your overall point. I'm just saying that even a good QB will struggle if the line is bad enough. I hesitate to attribute sack numbers to the OL, especially with mobile QBs who run a lot b/c every time they're stopped for a loss it's recorded as a sack, but that's kind of tangential to the conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Dallas has a great OL, 3-8, without or with a hurt Romo, a franchise QB just saying What? Dallas is 3-1 with Romo; 0-7 without him. http://www.nfl.com/player/tonyromo/2505354/gamelogs Same OL. I agree completely with your overall point. I'm just saying that even a good QB will struggle if the line is bad enough. I hesitate to attribute sack numbers to the OL, especially with mobile QBs who run a lot b/c every time they're stopped for a loss it's recorded as a sack, but that's kind of tangential to the conversation. Indeed...I think we're more on the same page than in disagreement in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 What's more important? What should you get first? Build a great OL or get a good QB then address the OL? CBF You need both. I'm not sure it matters in which order you do it. A strong OL would certainly help speed up the learning process for a young/inexperienced QB. So maybe build the strong OL first, but don't pass up on a good QB if one is available before the line is fully built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Whatever Wins games... AkA doesn't matter if they aren't executing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 This question has never been up for debate. There is only one most important position in all of sports and it is not an offensive lineman. That said, I will once again remind us that building teams has never been a linear process. If you have a chance to snag a blue chip lineman vs. an average QB, you take the blue chipper every time. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoffs? Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 OL. No great QB's in the draft class. Go after a FA QB like Stafford. Would love if we made a huge splash and went all in on Stafford. Sammy would also love that..... Sammy, Woods, McCoy/Karlos, Clay, Stafford. Yes please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Rivers is a franchise QB in San Diego , 3-8 Yes because of the fact that every franchise QB in NFL history hasn't had a winning record every single season of their career, you have proven that franchise QB's aren't important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Respectfully disagree. Our O line depth is horrendous. We need a better O-line to maxamize Shadys output, and protect TT while we develop the next rookie QB. A QB, any time a good one is available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 What? Dallas is 3-1 with Romo; 0-7 without him. So a team needs a franchise QB and a great OL to make the playoffs ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 So a team needs a franchise QB and a great OL to make the playoffs ? Nope See NE, Seattle, Arizona, Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, and many other examples Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 Agreed, but why are the Chargers with franchise QB Rivers 3-8 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 This question has never been up for debate. There is only one most important position in all of sports and it is not an offensive lineman. That said, I will once again remind us that building teams has never been a linear process. If you have a chance to snag a blue chip lineman vs. an average QB, you take the blue chipper every time. GO BILLS!!! This. Agreed, but why are the Chargers with franchise QB Rivers 3-8 ? Because you need more than just a franchise QB. It is still the ultimate team game even if the QB is by far the most important player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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