Kelly the Dog Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 I believe it's been reported that wells firm was actually representing the nfl in the appeal, in addition to being present to field questions and partake in discussions about the report as you'd expect No that's false. If you look at the transcript the first four pages or so list all the lawyers present. The NfLs general counsel Jeff Pash represented the NFL. Wells's firm had three lawyers there out of dozens. One of them asked some questions over the ten hours, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Well, I certainly don't see any evidence that proves he cheated. As for how I view his answers ..... can't say from simple text messages that lack context. I would probably rank it as 60:40 that he is not lying and telling the truth. I think this ends in a fine and no suspension but, realizing it's labor and CBA arbitration law, flip a coin. So you're saying Hernandez is innocent? I mean he said so to Kraft and those cops and prosecutors are not impartial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Well, I certainly don't see any evidence that proves he cheated. As for how I view his answers ..... can't say from simple text messages that lack context. I would probably rank it as 60:40 that he is not lying and telling the truth. I think this ends in a fine and no suspension but, realizing it's labor and CBA arbitration law, flip a coin. You actually read his answers to what happened and happens to his phone and think he is 60/40 telling the truth? LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 (edited) I believe it's been reported that wells firm was actually representing the nfl in the appeal, in addition to being present to field questions and partake in discussions about the report as you'd expect Which makes perfect sense. The NFL's judgment was based on the Wells report's findings. If Wells' firm was impartial in its investigation, why would they not be the ones to defend it? Edited August 5, 2015 by Rocky Landing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 (edited) Which makes perfect sense. The NFL's judgment was based on the Wells report's findings. If Wells' firm was impartial in it's investigation, why would they not be the one's to defend it? They didn't represent the NFL in the appeal, the NFLs lawyers did. Wells' firm was represented too, but the NFL counsel led the NFL. I just looked. There were 21 total lawyers there. The NFL had eight of their own, plus three from Wells' firm. Edited August 5, 2015 by Kelly the Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Well, I certainly don't see any evidence that proves he cheated. As for how I view his answers ..... can't say from simple text messages that lack context. I would probably rank it as 60:40 that he is not lying and telling the truth. I think this ends in a fine and no suspension but, realizing it's labor and CBA arbitration law, flip a coin. If you are referring to the texts between McNally, and Jastremsky, how could you possibly say that they "lack context?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 If you are referring to the texts between McNally, and Jastremsky, how could you possibly say that they "lack context?" Everything lacks context to an insane person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 So you're saying Hernandez is innocent? I mean he said so to Kraft and those cops and prosecutors are not impartial I didn't really follow the Hernandez situation enough to comment either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 No that's false. If you look at the transcript the first four pages or so list all the lawyers present. The NfLs general counsel Jeff Pash represented the NFL. Wells's firm had three lawyers there out of dozens. One of them asked some questions over the ten hours, yes. jeff pash is the in-house counsel and thats no surprise. i recall reports that the league had an attorney from Paul, Weiss at the counsel table as well, in addition to those that were present for the report though. Didnt the NFLPA address this in their fillings last week? we discussed it right here in this thread even (but i dont have time to search, and now everything that pops up in a quick google is the transcript being released) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 You actually read his answers to what happened and happens to his phone and think he is 60/40 telling the truth? LOL. I do but it doesn't really matter as this is not a civil suit issue. It's a CBA/labor law issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 jeff pash is the in-house counsel and thats no surprise. i recall reports that the league had an attorney from Paul, Weiss at the counsel table as well, in addition to those that were present for the report though. Didnt the NFLPA address this in their fillings last week? we discussed it right here in this thread even (but i dont have time to search, and now everything that pops up in a quick google is the transcript being released)I edited above. There were 8 lawyers from the NFL plus 3 from Wells firm out of 21 total. I will look for Weiss in a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 If you are referring to the texts between McNally, and Jastremsky, how could you possibly say that they "lack context?" The whole mess is what lacks context, amongst other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 I do but it doesn't really matter as this is not a civil suit issue. It's a CBA/labor law issue. So when he says things like his practice is to have his phones destroyed by his assistant even though the last two he still had and were not destroyed, you believe that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 (edited) I edited above. There were 8 lawyers from the NFL plus 3 from Wells firm out of 21 total. I will look for Weiss in a bitPaul, Weiss is the firm, i believe one of their partners (name not remembered at the moment) however was noted as being specifically seated at the nfl counsel table and handling more than the NFLPA expected the discrepancy between our takes may simply be one of those points that depending on who describes the situation it sounds better/worse for the nfl though. Edited August 5, 2015 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 (edited) So when he says things like his practice is to have his phones destroyed by his assistant even though the last two he still had and were not destroyed, you believe that? As I said, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks about Brady's guilt or innocence. This is not about what's right or wrong; it's about application of procedure and policy wrt labor and CBA law. If it were about what;s right or wrong, that would clearly be shown via simple science before any of this other crap got blow out of proportion. Edited August 5, 2015 by Pneumonic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Paul, Weiss is the firm, i believe one of their partners (name not remembered at the moment) however was noted as being specifically seated at the nfl counsel table and handling more than the NFLPA expected the discrepancy between our takes may simply be one of those points that depending on who describes the situation it sounds better/worse for the nfl though. I understand and I stated that three of the lawyers from Wells' firm, Paul, Weiss, Riskin, Wharton, Garrison were there at the table. The one you're referring to is Lorin Reisner, and as I also stated above, he was the one that was asking questions at times over the ten hours. But the NFL was not represented at the appeal as "the report" you referenced indicated by Paul, Weiss. They had their own counsel (2) plus Goodell plus lawyers from three other firms that all officially represent the NFL and the NFL Management Council. Counting Wells' firm, the NFL had 11 lawyers and Brady/NFLPA had 10. As I said, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks about Brady's guilt or innocence. This is not about what's right or wrong; it's about application of procedure and policy wrt labor and CBA law. If it were about what;s right or wrong, that would clearly be shown via simple science before any of this other crap got blow out of proportion. So in other words, you don't believe him. I ask if you believe Brady. You say yes, 60/40. I say so that means you believe what he said about a specific matter. And your response is "As I said, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 I understand and I stated that three of the lawyers from Wells' firm, Paul, Weiss, Riskin, Wharton, Garrison were there at the table. The one you're referring to is Lorin Reisner, and as I also stated above, he was the one that was asking questions at times over the ten hours. But the NFL was not represented at the appeal as "the report" you referenced indicated by Paul, Weiss. They had their own counsel (2) plus Goodell plus lawyers from three other firms that all officially represent the NFL and the NFL Management Council. Counting Wells' firm, the NFL had 11 lawyers and Brady/NFLPA had 10. So in other words, you don't believe him. I ask if you believe Brady. You say yes, 60/40. I say so that means you believe what he said about a specific matter. And your response is "As I said, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks..." I do side with Brady but it doesn't matter because this case's outcome doesn't rest on his innocence/guilt. It's not about Tom Brady; it's about the NFL vs the NFLPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 I do side with Brady but it doesn't matter because this case's outcome doesn't rest on his innocence/guilt. It's not about Tom Brady; it's about the NFL vs the NFLPA. I have followed this closer than anyone here. I know that. I was asking you a question that had nothing to do with that fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 I have followed this closer than anyone here. I know that. I was asking you a question that had nothing to do with that fact. OK, I do side with Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRQ_BillsFan Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 (edited) I found this little quote in a story about the rules change in 2006 that was pushed by Brady and Manning. I kept wondering how PSI could not have come up when that occurred. Although he doesn't specifically say PSI. "The thing is, every quarterback likes it a little bit different," Brady said after addressing the competition committee. "Some like them blown up a little bit more, some like them a little more thin, some like them a little more new, some like them really broken in." http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2015/01/26/tom-brady-deflategate-peyton-manning-rule-change-nfl/22372835/ I think this was before the Jets game where there is no proof the ball was actually 16 lbs. Edited August 5, 2015 by SRQ_BillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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