Who is Yuri? Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 It's truely remarkable to me that people like yourself can look at the economic system and philosophical beliefs that, over the course of 240 years has created the greatest cache of perpetual wealth in the history of the world, which has raised the standard of living of hundereds of millions of people, and financed the research and development of the overwhelming majority of all global innovations advancing our species in ways never fathomed; and your first inclination is to kill the golden goose for the sake of killing it. Stranger yet, you call this "progress". Who is killing the Golden Goose? You have to feed it with new ideas. It's growing. I'm proud to be an American. We keep going forward. We keep getting better. Yes - Progress. I'm sure you must have some ideas on how to make the country better. Care to share them? or are you afraid that that would make you look Progressive? and subject you to the criticism of your peers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 (edited) I know you live in a world of convenient thinking and subscribe to a failed ideology but try and give at least a modicum of effort. And yet if someone points out Planned Parenthood execs making sizable donations to Bernie Sanders, he'll insist it means nothing. Edited August 31, 2015 by LABillzFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Who is killing the Golden Goose? You have to feed it with new ideas. It's growing. I'm proud to be an American. We keep going forward. We keep getting better. Yes - Progress. I'm sure you must have some ideas on how to make the country better. Care to share them? or are you afraid that that would make you look Progressive? and subject you to the criticism of your peers?The golden goose is free markets and the philosophy of self-ownership and personal liberty; and those who believe as you do are killing it. You seem to believe that our prosperity came from no place in particular, and was magically gifted upon us, giving no credit to the economic and philosophical systems which have fostered it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who is Yuri? Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 (edited) The golden goose is free markets and the philosophy of self-ownership and personal liberty; and those who believe as you do are killing it. You seem to believe that our prosperity came from no place in particular, and was magically gifted upon us, giving no credit to the economic and philosophical systems which have fostered it. Remember when Toyota eclipsed GM? Toyota made better cars. Instead of learning from the competition, GM stood around patting themselves on their backs. The gov. claims it lost 11 billion on that bailout. So, yeah, Ikea makes better furniture, and some obstructionists are too proud to learn anything. Edited August 31, 2015 by Franz Kafka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 You think I'm fantasizing? I live in Buffalo, voted for Brown, Cuomo, Obama. The biggest impediment, as I see it, are the old, white, Conservatives, and now they are fractured and bickering. What's your political identity? Yeah the ideas of personal responsibility, personal liberty, a strong military, a principled foreign policy, border security, a fiscally responsibility government and reasonable taxes are all radical ideas that the old whities cling to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 (edited) Remember when Toyota eclipsed GM? Toyota made better cars. Instead of learning from the competition, GM stood around patting themselves on their backs. The gov. claims it lost 11 billion on that bailout. So, yeah, Ikea makes better furniture, and some obstructionists are too proud to learn anything.Any chance you'll try speaking coherently? I've done you the courtesy of being quite direct with you, you've done the opposite. Edited August 31, 2015 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Remember when Toyota eclipsed GM? Toyota made better cars. Instead of learning from the competition, GM stood around patting themselves on their backs. The gov. claims it lost 11 billion on that bailout. So, yeah, Ikea makes better furniture, and some obstructionists are too proud to learn anything. kinda fun, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 (edited) I gave up Ayn Rand for Bernie Sanders: How I grew up and traded libertarianism for a progressive socialist" http://www.salon.com/2015/07/20/why_libertarians_should_love_bernie_sanders/ Quote: For too long, the anger and passion has been driven by Tea Party types and libertarians. Their solution seems to be throwing more gasoline on a trailer-park fire. Inequality? Cut taxes for the wealthy and implement a flat tax. Poverty? Eliminate the social safety net and cut food stamps. Those not actively making problems worse are obsessed with non-stories and fictitious scandals, featuring Benghazi, Jade Helm, e-mail servers or any of the other innumerable, invented outrages. Even issues I care deeply about, like prison reform, can distract. Our country grows more lopsided by the day, and despite big wins on gay marriage and health care, too many trends are moving in the wrong direction. Are we a society that works for people or are we in something like feudalism, where corporations and private organization all but own their employees? The current problem with politics, the economy and culture comes from treating human beings like just another business asset to be exploited or replaced. We say a persons value is what the market will bear, and if the market has no use for a particular human, he or she has no inherent worth. Thats pretty sick. Should we just let them starve to death? For the radical right, the answer is an enthusiastic absolutely. If all else fails, deport them. Like most leftists you don't understand the philosophy you rail against and you cast it in a greedy, mean-spirited light, presumably to make you feel more secure in your own panaceatic world view. The problem with your alternative isn't just that it's morally flawed, but that it doesn't work. I've asked all my Bernie Sanders supporting commie friends to point to an example of Democratic Socialism of the variety you're promoting being a success and so far it's crickets. Edited August 31, 2015 by Rob's House Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Remember when Toyota eclipsed GM? Toyota made better cars. Instead of learning from the competition, GM stood around patting themselves on their backs. The gov. claims it lost 11 billion on that bailout. So, yeah, Ikea makes better furniture, and some obstructionists are too proud to learn anything. "Ikea makes better furniture?" That's your justification for your position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 (edited) "Ikea makes better furniture?" That's your justification for your position? It not his entire position, if I'm understanding him correctly, which I may well not be. The first part of his position is that Toyota outperformed GM leading into the bailout, because GM refused to change; with is an asinine position given that GM a) never should have been bailed out, and b) failed because it was an organized labor shop (the reason it was bailed out) which happened to build cars. Toyota pays it's labor far less than GM does, which allows it to be far more agile as an organization. The second part was that IKEA makes better furniture, which isn't true. It make ****ty, cheap furniture. Edited August 31, 2015 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Sanders: Dems ‘dead wrong’ on debates The Democratic National Committee is “dead wrong” by limiting the number of debates available to presidential candidates, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said on Sunday. “I think that that is dead wrong and I have let the leadership of the Democrats know that,” Sanders said on CNN’s “State of the Union. “I think this country benefits, all people benefit, democracy benefits when we have debates and I want to see more of them,” he added. “I think that debates are a good thing." Sanders said that in addition to officially sanctioned debates from the Democratic Party, candidates running for the White House should also be forced to debate environmental issues before a panel of environmentalists, as well as issues specifically important to young voters and to “working people.” Sanders’s comments come after critical words from former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley (D), who on Friday accused the DNC of creating a “rigged process” to limit the number of debates to just four before the first round of voting takes place. “I think it’s a big mistake for us as a party to circle the wagons around the inevitable front-runner,” O’Malley said earlier in the week. Sanders appeared to agree on CNN on Sunday “I think that rigging is a strong word,” he said. However, “I would like to see more debates http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/252265-sanders-democrats-dead-wrong-on-debates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who is Yuri? Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 kinda fun, isn't it? yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 (edited) kinda fun, isn't it? yes. I wouldn't consider finding out that my devotion to an ideology is only matched by my inability to coherently explain or defend it, fun. Guess I'm just close-minded to the possibility of magic. Edited August 31, 2015 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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IDBillzFan Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 "Ikea makes better furniture?" That's your justification for your position? Not to mention, they actually don't make better furniture. They make really cheap furniture out of cardboard. But...then again, SoProgs have a particularly odd view of what constitutes...well....you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 (edited) Far more helpful than expanding racial quotas would have been steps to put African Americans to work, particularly teenagers, who suffer nearly 30 percent unemployment rate, twice the national average. This is a point that Bernie Sanders has been making, actually, but the press doesn’t report what Bernie says much, just his crowd numbers, because what he says reflects badly on Obama. Bernie Sanders and the Left’s Unshakable Faith in International Community Appearing ABC’s This Week Sunday, Bernie Sanders didn’t just boast about his opposition to the Iraq War that began in 2003; he touted his opposition to the first Persian Gulf War. “I think historically, in too many instances the United States has gone to war, often unilaterally, when we should not,” Sanders said. “I think my vote against the first war in the Gulf region was the right vote I think we could have gotten Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait in a way that did not require a war, and I think certainly–” At this point, anchor Martha Raddatz felt obligated to interrupt the kumbaya talk. “Even though he had invaded Kuwait?” “But the point was you had the whole world united against him, Martha,” Sanders snapped. “Do we need to go to war in every instances, or can we bring pressure of sanctions and international pressure to resolve these conflicts?” Take that, straw man who calls for going to war in every instance! “Look, I am supporting President Obama’s effort to make certain that Iran does not get a nuclear weapon, but I get very nervous about my Republican friends who keep implying that the only way we could do that is through another war,” he said. “War is the last resort, not the first resort.” Notice Sanders talks about the awesome power of sanctions, and then applauds a deal that takes away sanctions on Iran.Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner Edited August 31, 2015 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 This is a point that Bernie Sanders has been making, actually, but the press doesn’t report what Bernie says much, just his crowd numbers, because what he says reflects badly on Obama. Really? So the media is so corrupt and controlled by Obama-bots that...well...never mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 “Look, I am supporting President Obama’s effort to make certain that Iran does not get a nuclear weapon, but I get very nervous about my Republican friends who keep implying that the only way we could do that is through another war,” he said. “War is the last resort, not the first resort.” Notice Sanders talks about the awesome power of sanctions, and then applauds a deal that takes away sanctions on Iran. Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner Did I miss something? Has Obama made an effort to "make certain that Iran does not get a nuclear weapon"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomato can Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) Unbelievable http://www.dineshdsouza.com/news/new-york-post-sanders-rape-fantasy-essay-reveals-left-wing-hypocrisy/ Edited September 1, 2015 by tomato can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who is Yuri? Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) Unbelievable http://www.dineshdsouza.com/news/new-york-post-sanders-rape-fantasy-essay-reveals-left-wing-hypocrisy/ This unscandalous essay was in the news 3 months ago. This essay was written 10 years before I was born. Thats a 45 year old essay. If one youthful essay that clumbsily tries to make a feminist point is the only skeleton in Bernie's closet, after a political career of 35 plus years, then Bernie shouldn't be President. He should be Pope. Edited September 1, 2015 by Franz Kafka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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