swede316 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Works for me Kirby Mathis graded almost a +50.0 (from PFF) two years ago, and was a big reason why Shady ran so well that year. The weakest area of the team last year was the offensive line, and I was really hoping that the Bills would make building an elite line a priority. As far as free agency is concerned (Not Trades)..I'm not impressed....We got a FB and that's it...Crap so far! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) The Bills have already dealt their 1st and 2 4th round picks in this draft. Trading your 3rd and picking up Mathis' salary is not the type of value this team needs right now. That would be 4 of their top 5 picks. Is Dan Snyder running this team? I get they're trying to win now, and who can blame them given their futile record the past 15 years? But that doesn't excuse trading your future away either. Mathis is 33 and has a 6.5M cap hit in 2015 and 7M hit in 2016. They need guard help, but not at that price. And definitely not for a 33 year old. Edited March 12, 2015 by BillsVet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 <p> I thought that this was an appropriate time to start this thread as it appears some new things are happening. If you were the Bills what would you do moving forward? I would: Trade the 3rd round pick to Philly for Evan Mathis Cut Urbik and Williams (basically offsets his cap number) Sign Harvin Sign Gresham Draft Preston Smith Sounds good. You cannot use williams without a first name or number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 12, 2015 Author Share Posted March 12, 2015 The Bills have already dealt their 1st and 2 4th round picks in this draft. Trading your 3rd and picking up Mathis' salary is not the type of value this team needs right now. That would be 4 of their top 5 picks. Is Dan Snyder running this team? I get they're trying to win now, and who can blame them given their futile record the past 15 years? But that doesn't excuse trading your future away either. Mathis is 33 and has a 6.5M cap hit in 2015 and 7M hit in 2016. They need guard help, but not at that price. And definitely not for a 33 year old. If they are trying to win now who will produce more a 3rd round pick or Evan Mathis? Sounds good. You cannot use williams without a first name or number.Chris Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 If they are trying to win now who will produce more a 3rd round pick or Evan Mathis? Chris Williams There aren't many fans around that realize just how good Mathis is at his position, or how important it is to have an elite player like him on the line. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uffalo Ills Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I thought that this was an appropriate time to start this thread as it appears some new things are happening. If you were the Bills what would you do moving forward? I would: Trade the 3rd round pick to Philly for Evan Mathis Cut Urbik and Williams (basically offsets his cap number) Sign Harvin Sign Gresham Draft Preston Smith I say no to harvin, but Mathis would be great. I'd give Philly this year's fifth, and a 4th next year, plus some depth player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I don't think Chip wants to do business with the Bills anymore. Remember, they leaked the McCoy trade before they were able to contact him??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 12, 2015 Author Share Posted March 12, 2015 There aren't many fans around that realize just how good Mathis is at his position, or how important it is to have an elite player like him on the line. JMOMathis is really, really good and fills a position of need. In addition, they can drop Urbik & C Williams and it basically costs them nothing. They can develop the young guys and add another vet like a De La Puente type to round out the OL.I say no to harvin, but Mathis would be great. I'd give Philly this year's fifth, and a 4th next year, plus some depth player.Who do you want for that other receiver? Crabtree? DGB? Strong? I'm not a big Crabtree fan personally. They are clearly trying to add a high end receiver as they went after Marshall & now Harvin. I couldn't think of a better option than Harvin but there may be one via trade even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 If they are trying to win now who will produce more a 3rd round pick or Evan Mathis? The point remains you try to win now and keep an eye on the future. That's what a GM is there for, not to go all-in at the craps table with your mortgage payment. Mathis turns 34 during the season and missed 7 games last season. If he's released I get the signing. But no way would I trade more than a 5th for him. Being that desperate for guards and using a 3rd is mind-bendingly stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 12, 2015 Author Share Posted March 12, 2015 The point remains you try to win now and keep an eye on the future. That's what a GM is there for, not to go all-in at the craps table with your mortgage payment. Mathis turns 34 during the season and missed 7 games last season. If he's released I get the signing. But no way would I trade more than a 5th for him. Being that desperate for guards and using a 3rd is mind-bendingly stupid. It's either him or drafting a lesser guard in the 2nd or 3rd. I don't think that makes sense when your OL is weak. Mathis' deal is not bad either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) If there's one old NFL adage that seems to consistently ring true, it's 'when you Draft for Need, (TE in the 2nd), you'll eventually fail. Yes, we now really need a TE, but our picks are a real precious commodity this year, so BPA on the Board at the time is the time-tested best way to go. JMO You know they just won't be able to help themselves. As far as the plan moving forward: Start looking for value. Save money on the cap and roll over the excess space into next year. We don't have to spend it just because we have it. Edited March 12, 2015 by BrooklynBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I think that's a great plan but what about safety? I don't know if Duke will step up this year he showed flashes last year, Rambo did too. Meeks is gonna kill it when he gets off IR. Moving Graham over more often?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I thought that this was an appropriate time to start this thread as it appears some new things are happening. If you were the Bills what would you do moving forward? I would: Trade the 3rd round pick to Philly for Evan Mathis Cut Urbik and Williams (basically offsets his cap number) Sign Harvin Sign Gresham Draft Preston Smith Sometimes you need to have a little patience. They don't have to solve every positional need in the first week of FA. The best trade Whaley ever made came after the draft in 2013. There will also be cuts after June 1st. They want clay, I want clay, but I don't want them to be in a position where they are forced to offer a contract that precludes making any more moves over the next 3-4 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uffalo Ills Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Mathis is really, really good and fills a position of need. In addition, they can drop Urbik & C Williams and it basically costs them nothing. They can develop the young guys and add another vet like a De La Puente type to round out the OL. Who do you want for that other receiver? Crabtree? DGB? Strong? I'm not a big Crabtree fan personally. They are clearly trying to add a high end receiver as they went after Marshall & now Harvin. I couldn't think of a better option than Harvin but there may be one via trade even. TBH, probably Stevie. That dude gets open like no one else. Bowe is another great option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMan Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Draft O Linemen in round 2 & 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) TBH, probably Stevie. That dude gets open like no one else. Bowe is another great optionNot bad options I am hoping that I put a reverse jinx on the Bills by starting this thread. Maybe Clay is in play after all? Edited March 13, 2015 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Draft O Linemen in round 2 & 3. and hope? like lastyear Mathis and Clay OMG . screw the mortgage and screw the kids college fund i want to win now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 and hope? like lastyear Mathis and Clay OMG . screw the mortgage and screw the kids college fund i want to win now If Miami is out you can probably do Clay, Mathis and still have room for Harvin (especially if you release Urbik & Chris Williams). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 the Cameron thang is huge ! They never loved him . and the cleveland option .. come home to Papa Clay signed BIg Daddy Pegules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 33 and has graded out as the #1, #1 and #3 OG in football over the last 3 years. You can still get 3-4 solid years out of him. It is absolutely worth it if you are trying to win in the next handful of years. I don't think that there are many 35 year old guards starting in the NFL. I think getting 1 more good year out of him would be pushing it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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