Peter Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I know poison pills are no longer allowed but I wonder if a team is able to state in the contract that, say, the first two years cannot be renegotiated in any way by either side. I was thinking along similar lines. Is there anything that prevents the Dolphins and Clay from restructuring after they match. Example, let's say we load up the contract in the first two years. The Dolphins then match. I presume that there is nothing that prevents the Dolphins and Clay from restructuring his contract next year to make it more cap friendly when Suh's big cap hit occurs. At that point, what does Clay care - he has his big contract. I could be wrong, but it seems like it is going to be a close call. The Dolphins made it easier on themselves to match. It will be painful, but they could do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 This sucks, I was really getting into the idea of acquiring Clay... my ignorant view of things looks like we got played hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I was thinking along similar lines. Is there anything that prevents the Dolphins and Clay from restructuring after they match. Example, let's say we load up the contract in the first two years. The Dolphins then match. I presume that there is nothing that prevents the Dolphins and Clay from restructuring his contract next year to make it more cap friendly when Suh's big cap hit occurs. At that point, what does Clay care - he has his big contract. I could be wrong, but it seems like it is going to be a close call. The Dolphins made it easier on themselves to match. It will be painful, but they could do it. Really after year 1 it takes clay wanting to be here instead of Miami. He'd have to say no to options they could offer him that would be beneficial (like a restructure). He could, but it seems he isn't unhappy there.... This sucks, I was really getting into the idea of acquiring Clay... my ignorant view of things looks like we got played hard. We might not get him but I'm not sure how we got played (mentioned twice now) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I know poison pills are no longer allowed but I wonder if a team is able to state in the contract that, say, the first two years cannot be renegotiated in any way by either side. I don't think that would be allowed. Miami is setting up Suh's contract to roll the big salary in '16 into a bonus to free up cap space next year. I think Bills can still do it by making the first two years of the guaranteed the salary portion. Miami can probably make a $9 mil cap hit in '15 work, but doubtful anything more than $10 mil. But whatever they do, t will be painful to have that much tied up in a DT and a TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) Really after year 1 it takes clay wanting to be here instead of Miami. He'd have to say no to options they could offer him that would be beneficial (like a restructure). He could, but it seems he isn't unhappy there.... We might not get him but I'm not sure how we got played (mentioned twice now) Seems like we made a somewhat conservative offer based on the original Suh numbers? Then the Dolphins came away with a crazy low cap hit this year on Suh. Edit: We also released our only decent TE in the process, heh. Edited March 12, 2015 by Dorkington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 You are assuming he'd say yes to a restructure next year, which is not an automatic. Restructure keeps you around but if he has a good year he'd force their hand and take free agency. This is a tricky situation, bills need to make their offer now, longer they wait the more other free agents get chomped up and they can't afford that if they don't get him. I don't mean this insulting but I'm not sure you know what your saying. The restructure would turn his salary into signing bonus. He'd get the same money (more? Not subject to road game income tax?) and get it in March instead of weekly checks in the fall. Not sure how you think he'd get to free agency next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Wonder who Miami will cut to save cap space? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Seems like we made a somewhat conservative offer based on the original Suh numbers? Then the Dolphins came away with a crazy low cap hit this year on Suh. It always has to be low year 1- they didn't have cap space this year to make it higher... What else did you expect it to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 12, 2015 Author Share Posted March 12, 2015 Seems like we made a somewhat conservative offer based on the original Suh numbers? Then the Dolphins came away with a crazy low cap hit this year on Suh. Edit: We also released our only decent TE in the process, heh. i don't think the Bills have an offer to him yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Chandler didn't fit the new offense so it didn't surprise me Gragg and gray are more of his style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 All they'd have to do is turn any year two bonus/salary into signing bonus next year and its a breeze. You kill them this year, or you kill them with total dollars/guarantees. Pushing money out of year two couldn't be simpler for them (and preferred, it seems) Good point. Still wouldn't it be a risk that Clay would say no? Then they'd have to cut him or be stuck with the cap hit. signing bonus would probably make him say yes though. You are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I know poison pills are no longer allowed but I wonder if a team is able to state in the contract that, say, the first two years cannot be renegotiated in any way by either side.That's kind of what I am wondering. I kept thinking of how nice the poison pill would be at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 i don't think the Bills have an offer to him yet Ahhhh, well then nevermind It always has to be low year 1- they didn't have cap space this year to make it higher... What else did you expect it to be? I was under the impression the first year was going to be higher, due to Suh wanting a high amount of guaranteed or something. Like I said, ignorant opinion. ... So do we still have a good shot at Clay or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_wag Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I don't mean this insulting but I'm not sure you know what your saying. The restructure would turn his salary into signing bonus. He'd get the same money (more? Not subject to road game income tax?) and get it in March instead of weekly checks in the fall. Not sure how you think he'd get to free agency next year? He says no, forces release, gets a larger signing bonus/1st year salary then the year 2 salary. it all comes down to leverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offsides#76FredSmerlas Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Everyone is worried about Miami but I thought I heard that Clay was Cleveland's #1 guy they wanted in free agency. Do we need to worry about them just as much if not more than Miami? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Everyone is worried about Miami but I thought I heard that Clay was Cleveland's #1 guy they wanted in free agency. Do we need to worry about them just as much if not more than Miami?No, because if he signs the Bills offer sheet they are out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Good point. Still wouldn't it be a risk that Clay would say no? Then they'd have to cut him or be stuck with the cap hit. signing bonus would probably make him say yes though. You are right. Unless he wants out, the offer is extremely beneficial to him. I don't think the Miami situation is sour so I doubt he'd make it hard at his own expense, unless we aren't in the loop on something Really it still shouldn't be terribly concerning as nothing actually changed with this signing- suh had to be a low cap hit this year. We've known that all along Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offsides#76FredSmerlas Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 ok, thanks for clearing that up for me Kirby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 ok, thanks for clearing that up for me Kirby.No problem. If he leaves without signing that though we are in some trouble when it comes to Clay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 He says no, forces release, gets a larger signing bonus/1st year salary then the year 2 salary. it all comes down to leverage. Year two will likely be mostly guaranteed no matter what. IF he HATES Miami we have some more tricks available but if he just wants to take care of himself your theory makes little sense honestly just from a nuts and bolts perspective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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