harv shitz Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 I don't think it matters, after what I saw last week, they are gonna get ran off the field, much like most recent games in Foxboro. As far as EJ goes, to think he "improved" while watching Orton, I wouldn't expect a major change in his game. EJ is what he is, and will be, poor decision making, injury prone, and inaccurate. Sorry to be so negative, but I think I'm right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 I don't know man. Sure Orton hasn't been an improvement in PPG or the red zone really. But he racks up more passing yards, which translates to longer drives which translates to less time on the field for the defense. It requires a more in depth analysis than pure PPG. I'll give you some in depth analysis. Did you know... The 2014 Bills plays per drive and yards per drive are equal to that of the 2013 Bills offense? Time of possession this year is only 14 more seconds per drive than last year (a year when they used a lot of no huddle). Yards per catch was more in 2013 than it is this year when Manuel started the majority of games and they did not have Sammy Watkins. The numbers just don't support the Manuel haters false argument that he was a disaster compared to Orton. They are selling a fairly tale, a myth. But alas, that's the world we live in. If you say the same bs over and over again, people will start believing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 (edited) I'll give you some in depth analysis. Did you know... The 2014 Bills plays per drive and yards per drive are equal to that of the 2013 Bills offense? Time of possession this year is only 14 more seconds per drive than last year (a year when they used a lot of no huddle). Yards per catch was more in 2013 than it is this year when Manuel started the majority of games and they did not have Sammy Watkins. The numbers just don't support the Manuel haters false argument that he was a disaster compared to Orton. They are selling a fairly tale, a myth. But alas, that's the world we live in. If you say the same bs over and over again, people will start believing it. What are you talking about? I have no Manuel false argument. I think Orton was more productive. This season, he was. Numbers support that. 2013 was a different year, with a different scheme. Edited December 24, 2014 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Any word on if Manuel is on the trading block? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
negativo Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 (edited) Any word on if Manuel is on the trading block? Yep. I hear Pegula is offering up a package of Manuel, Spiller, Hodgson and Meszaros for 2 bags of pucks and footballs. Edited December 24, 2014 by negativo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Yep. I hear Pegula is offering up a package of Manuel, Spiller, Hodgson and Meszaros for 2 bags of pucks and footballs. I think you are being negative, Negativo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumblefish Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Hodgson must have heard about package deal, has stepped up play to stay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC2002 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 I feel confident we would be no worse than 7-9 with EJ. Go through the schedule and see what games we would have won and lost with him qll season. I did a month or so ago and i came up with 7-9 for EJ and 8-8 for orton. Not tryin to jump your discussion, its just what i have been thinkin We would be 5-10 at this point if we had stayed with EJ and 2-6 at the bye which means season would've been over weeks ago . There is no indication EJ or the team would've recovered from the the tailspin they were starting after Houston. To assume the way EJ was playing that he would've made it past the bye simply because some of you hate Orton is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 You made the comparison. I don't think it was a sure thing. You're sure EJ would go 8-8? Sure, like certain? If not, is 8-8 with Orton worse than 7-9 with EJ? 6-10 with EJ? etc. etc. Anything short of playoffs with orton is worse than pretty much anything with ej, probably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 We would be 5-10 at this point if we had stayed with EJ and 2-6 at the bye which means season would've been over weeks ago . There is no indication EJ or the team would've recovered from the the tailspin they were starting after Houston. To assume the way EJ was playing that he would've made it past the bye simply because some of you hate Orton is ridiculous. At this point were all just making up scenarios that fit our opinions. But your guess is as good as mine. Im seeing 7-9 after looking at the schedule again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Anything short of playoffs with orton is worse than pretty much anything with ej, probably Completely disagree. Once EJ was benched, we were evaluating Orton as the answer. EJ would have been competing for the job next year regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Completely disagree. Once EJ was benched, we were evaluating Orton as the answer. EJ would have been competing for the job next year regardless. If this coaching staff ever thought Orton was an answer, they should be fired right away. We have 9 years of him not being the answer. He went 6-0 with Denver and somehow missed the playoffs. We would be 5-10 at this point if we had stayed with EJ and 2-6 at the bye which means season would've been over weeks ago . There is no indication EJ or the team would've recovered from the the tailspin they were starting after Houston. To assume the way EJ was playing that he would've made it past the bye simply because some of you hate Orton is ridiculous. Yeah, this means nothing. What happened against Miami, Orton and Manuel's only common opponent? We score tds in every one of EJ's starts. We failed to do so in 2 of Orton's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 If this coaching staff ever thought Orton was an answer, they should be fired right away. We have 9 years of him not being the answer. He went 6-0 with Denver and somehow missed the playoffs. Yeah, this means nothing. What happened against Miami, Orton and Manuel's only common opponent? We score tds in every one of EJ's starts. We failed to do so in 2 of Orton's. Answer for 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 (edited) Honestly for me its getting harder and harder to be in support of EJ, just because it seems like everyone from national media to the average peanut gallery poster here on tbd, just thinks he rots. And ive been as supportive as anyone of him. Im starting to feel like a papaya here. If Orton beats out EJ to start the season, im done with him. Edited December 24, 2014 by mastershake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 (edited) Answer for 2015. You were asking the wrong question if you thought orton is a multi year answer. He's at best a stopgap til you find someone else, and while you aggressively chase all viable options. the orton book was written. Edited December 24, 2014 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 You were asking the wrong question if you think orton is a multi year answer What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 What? If they are trying to find out if orton was the answer for 15 they were wrong before they started. Orton was the known floor for the position not the questionable upside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 If they are trying to find out if orton was the answer for 15 they were wrong before they started. Orton was the known floor for the position not the questionable upside Right. But his floor was higher than EJ's when they made the switch. So 2014 was about trying to get into the playoffs with a known commodity in Orton. Had we done that, he'd be starting next year. Since we did not, the position is a question mark and we will probably pursue other options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 I think Orton an EJ are going to be competing for the starting job in 2015. I dont see a better option for us. Easy to say they better bring someone in, but realisticly i dont see better options available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 according to WGR I think Marrone wants that W and they will sell it harder than the GB game He wants the win to help save his job. It's a no brainer that EJ should start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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