HurlyBurly51 Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 for any masochists out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 i know i am watching it...so many things pissed me off about that game...damn defense cant make a tackle... and did you know thomas averaged 9.5 yds everytime he touched the ball (rushes + recs)...dammit for not gettin him the ball more often... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 i know i am watching it...so many things pissed me off about that game...damn defense cant make a tackle... and did you know thomas averaged 9.5 yds everytime he touched the ball (rushes + recs)...dammit for not gettin him the ball more often... 223499[/snapback] I see more and more people have figured out the unfortunate reason we lost that game Just think, we may then have had the confidence to win atleast one (maybe two but probably not ) of the other SuperBowls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bflo83 Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 It's hard to be a Bills fan at this time of year. Spent a good part of today watching the SB highlight shows on the NFL Network. It is still tough to watch those four losses. As great a run as it was to just have had one win would have been so deserving for that team and for Buffalo and all the fans. Damn shame.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Just think, we may then have had the confidence to win atleast one (maybe two but probably not ) of the other SuperBowls. 223509[/snapback] Of course, the opposite may have been true; the team may have become complacent and never gone to another Superbowl. CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiz Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 I can't watch it, too painful. I almost subconsciencely believe it may turn out different when I'm watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 I can't watch it, too painful. I almost subconsciencely believe it may turn out different when I'm watching. 223517[/snapback] Yeh, I got a little fired up today watching the Bills D stuff Emmitt Smith on 3rd down to force a FG re: the 1st SB - I remember reading an article about Bellichek telling his players that Kelly was going to want to be the hero in his 1st SB; hence the 2 man front. Generally Kelly was pretty unselfish throughout his career calling plays, but there's no getting around the fact that he f*cked up that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasper13 Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Tonight was the debut of the NFL Network on Adelphia and that was the first thing I saw on it. I had to turn it right off. To this day, I have never watched any replays of the game or any highlights of the game except seeing Norwood miss and I still have to turn away when they show that. I still have the tape of the game and it's never been watched or rewound since that night right after the missed FG. It's exactly at the spot where I stopped the tape at the end of the game. The only thing I did was take it out the VCR and put it away in a closet. It stays that way until the Bills win a Super Bowl and then I will rewind it and watch it. Anyone think the NFL Network knew that it was their debut night on Buffalo cable or was it just a coincidence that they showed the SB XXV highlights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 I just can't force myself to watch it. I knew it was on last night and avoided it like the plague. I was just channel surfing and at that moment, Jeff Wright was getting knocked to the ground. I cringed and kept on flipping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Of course, the opposite may have been true; the team may have become complacent and never gone to another Superbowl. CW 223515[/snapback] Which I would have taken in each and every time. One win in exchange for the whole streak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Which I would have taken in each and every time. One win in exchange for the whole streak. 223662[/snapback] This topic comes up pretty frequently, and the split seems to be roughly 60/40 in favor of winning one. I'm part of the 40; nobody remembers the Giants from SB25. And while we were considered losers at the time, history has been very kind and most people point out the resilliency of the team and the fact that nothing like that will ever be duplicated. Think about how "great" the Pats are; they'd have to go to two more straight Superbowls to match what we did. They're only halfway there. I'll take the 4 losses over one win any day. Now if I could have one win and three losses..... CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBills12 Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 I'll take the 4 losses over one win any day. you're kidding right?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 you're kidding right?? 223738[/snapback] No, I'm not. I'd rather be remembered for our resilliancy of winning 4 straight AFC Championships than to be a flash-in-the-pan, winning SB25 and not going back anymore. Think anyone rememebrs the Giants or Redskins all that much? No. And as I said, I'm not alone. The poll for this question comes up pretty frequently, and it's usually a 60/40 split in favor of winning one. That means roughly 40% are in the boat with me. CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Think anyone rememebrs the Giants or Redskins all that much? No. And as I said, I'm not alone. The poll for this question comes up pretty frequently, and it's usually a 60/40 split in favor of winning one. That means roughly 40% are in the boat with me. CW 223742[/snapback] I could care less if anyone wouldn't remember the Bills because they made it to just one SB appearance and won. I would remember and cherish that day for the rest of my life and that's all that matters. Who cares if the national media or fans from any other cities would view us as a flash in the pan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 I could care less if anyone wouldn't remember the Bills because they made it to just one SB appearance and won. I would remember and cherish that day for the rest of my life and that's all that matters. Who cares if the national media or fans from any other cities would view us as a flash in the pan? 223750[/snapback] So you're saying that, had we won the Superbowl in 1999, you wouldn't be complaining that we weren't good a couple of years later? That's BS. The fact of the matter is, we were the best team in the league for over 5 years. As other teams rose and fell, we were always near the top. I really can't believe the people who say they'd rather win one Superbowl and then go 0-16 for the next ten years (yes, that was one of the polls in the past). Makes no sense to me. But to each their own. CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 So you're saying that, had we won the Superbowl in 1999, you wouldn't be complaining that we weren't good a couple of years later? That's BS. The fact of the matter is, we were the best team in the league for over 5 years. As other teams rose and fell, we were always near the top. I really can't believe the people who say they'd rather win one Superbowl and then go 0-16 for the next ten years (yes, that was one of the polls in the past). Makes no sense to me. But to each their own. CW 223760[/snapback] I'm not saying, I wouldn't be complaining, but I guarantee you that the losing seasons would be easier to take knowing that we have one SB championship in the bag. In case you can't tell, I'm on the side of 1 SB championship instead of 4 SB losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofiba Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 So you're saying that, had we won the Superbowl in 1999, you wouldn't be complaining that we weren't good a couple of years later? That's BS. The fact of the matter is, we were the best team in the league for over 5 years. As other teams rose and fell, we were always near the top. I really can't believe the people who say they'd rather win one Superbowl and then go 0-16 for the next ten years (yes, that was one of the polls in the past). Makes no sense to me. But to each their own. CW 223760[/snapback] That was my poll! I agree with you. Plenty of teams have won a superbowl, only 1 has gone to 4 straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBills12 Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 I bet you if we had won that first Super Bowl, we'd have the confidence to win possibly 2 or more to be honest....yeah i know, I've heard that what kept the Bills coming back was the fact they were hungry to win that first one...BUT, I argue around that time teams were kept together and free agency and parity didn't exist, and we had such great players...just food for thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gantrules Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 This topic comes up pretty frequently, and the split seems to be roughly 60/40 in favor of winning one. I'm part of the 40; nobody remembers the Giants from SB25. And while we were considered losers at the time, history has been very kind and most people point out the resilliency of the team and the fact that nothing like that will ever be duplicated. Think about how "great" the Pats are; they'd have to go to two more straight Superbowls to match what we did. They're only halfway there. I'll take the 4 losses over one win any day. Now if I could have one win and three losses..... CW 223671[/snapback] Giants fans remember the Giants of SB25. And the fact that you could even compare our run to the Pats makes me chuckle. While it's impressive, it's no where near what the Pats have accomplished. Win OR Lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gantrules Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 I want to add one thing. The Braves get ragged on constantly for their streak. The funny thing is I don't really care what other people say. They still have a ring from 1995 that no one can take away. Call them chokers, but they still won one. Now, if they didn't have that ring I'd trade the entire streak for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grant Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 So you're saying that, had we won the Superbowl in 1999, you wouldn't be complaining that we weren't good a couple of years later? That's BS. The fact of the matter is, we were the best team in the league for over 5 years. As other teams rose and fell, we were always near the top. I really can't believe the people who say they'd rather win one Superbowl and then go 0-16 for the next ten years (yes, that was one of the polls in the past). Makes no sense to me. But to each their own. CW 223760[/snapback] It's charming that you're trying to force yourself to make lemonaide out of lemons with our situation here, but I'm sure even you see the problem with your argument. Essentially, you're saying, if we had won Super Bowl XXV and not repeated, you'd have been like, "Well, I'm happy, I guess. But I would have rather went and lost four than to have one just this measly one." Which is just ridiculous. The Chicago Bears have only won one Super Bowl, and have pretty much sucked since 1985. But they can still at least hang their hats on that. I wouldn't mind having that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 It's charming that you're trying to force yourself to make lemonaide out of lemons with our situation here, but I'm sure even you see the problem with your argument. Essentially, you're saying, if we had won Super Bowl XXV and not repeated, you'd have been like, "Well, I'm happy, I guess. But I would have rather went and lost four than to have one just this measly one." Which is just ridiculous. Thank you for putting words into my mouth that I never said or meant. Will you be my PR person please? CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 It's charming that you're trying to force yourself to make lemonaide out of lemons with our situation here, but I'm sure even you see the problem with your argument. Essentially, you're saying, if we had won Super Bowl XXV and not repeated, you'd have been like, "Well, I'm happy, I guess. But I would have rather went and lost four than to have one just this measly one." Which is just ridiculous. The Chicago Bears have only won one Super Bowl, and have pretty much sucked since 1985. But they can still at least hang their hats on that. I wouldn't mind having that. 223949[/snapback] Exactly. Fezmid's delusional if he thinks people look back on the Bills as ANYTHING other than CHOKERS. To this day, people use the Bills as the standard by which choking is measured. For good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grant Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Thank you for putting words into my mouth that I never said or meant. Will you be my PR person please? 223965[/snapback] Please tell me how I misinterpreted you. Are you not, in fact, saying that you're happier with four Super Bowl losses than you would be if we had won one and not repeated? I mean, I could have somehow missed it the first five times you said it. So, please set me straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Exactly. Fezmid's delusional if he thinks people look back on the Bills as ANYTHING other than CHOKERS. To this day, people use the Bills as the standard by which choking is measured. For good reason. 223971[/snapback] Right, I'm delusional for reading multiple articles in the past few years admiring what the Bills did. Let me guess, you're one of the people would would rather win one Superbowl and then go 0-16 for the next 15 years, right? Yeah, whatever. CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Right, I'm delusional for reading multiple articles in the past few years admiring what the Bills did. Let me guess, you're one of the people would would rather win one Superbowl and then go 0-16 for the next 15 years, right? Yeah, whatever. CW 223980[/snapback] If posted the question: Would you rather have the Bills win one superbowl then suffer through 5 losing seasons, my answer would be yes. YES! I want a Parade in Buffalo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernMan Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Giants fans remember the Giants of SB25. And the fact that you could even compare our run to the Pats makes me chuckle. While it's impressive, it's no where near what the Pats have accomplished. Win OR Lose. 223935[/snapback] I agree. Should the Pats win this year (and I believe they will), that would be 3 superbowl wins in 4 years. In my mind, that is far more impressive than 4 consecutive losses. I think what the 70's Steelers and 80's 49'ers accomplished far and away a bigger acheivement than the Bill's 4 straight. If the 4 straight is so wonderful, where do the Eagles 4 straight NFC Championship games rate? I mean, where's the cutoff? What's next - an undefeated exhibition season?!?!? Wow! When traning camp begins, winning the superbowl is the ONLY goal of every team and player. Anything less is an equal accomplishment(or failure) among the 31 teams who didn't take home the hardware. There are no second place ribbons. Sure, there are the conference trophies - but who the hell goes into the season hoping they can take home the Lamar Hunt trophy for god's sake? The 90's Bills were great teams near and dear to our hearts, but the fact is, they didn't do what was necessary when it counted most. "Almost" doesn't cut it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 I agree. Should the Pats win this year (and I believe they will), that would be 3 superbowl wins in 4 years. In my mind, that is far more impressive than 4 consecutive losses. I think what the 70's Steelers and 80's 49'ers accomplished far and away a bigger acheivement than the Bill's 4 straight. If the 4 straight is so wonderful, where do the Eagles 4 straight NFC Championship games rate? I mean, where's the cutoff? What's next - an undefeated exhibition season?!?!? Wow! When traning camp begins, winning the superbowl is the ONLY goal of every team and player. Anything less is an equal accomplishment(or failure) among the 31 teams who didn't take home the hardware. There are no second place ribbons. Sure, there are the conference trophies - but who the hell goes into the season hoping they can take home the Lamar Hunt trophy for god's sake? The 90's Bills were great teams near and dear to our hearts, but the fact is, they didn't do what was necessary when it counted most. "Almost" doesn't cut it for me. 223997[/snapback] Shh....don't tell Fez that winning is what counts. It might hurt his feelings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grant Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 The 90's Bills were great teams near and dear to our hearts, but the fact is, they didn't do what was necessary when it counted most. "Almost" doesn't cut it for me. 223997[/snapback] This is a good point. It's often difficult for people to criticize the 90s Bills because, thus far, they are the best this franchise has produced. Unfortunately for us, the best they had simply wasn't enough. I think that when the Bills do eventually win a Super Bowl it will be easier to look at the 90s Bills properly. They were a very, very good team that dominated in the regular season and the playoffs, but could never bring their "A" game to the big one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 So you're saying that, had we won the Superbowl in 1999, you wouldn't be complaining that we weren't good a couple of years later? That's BS. The fact of the matter is, we were the best team in the league for over 5 years. As other teams rose and fell, we were always near the top. I really can't believe the people who say they'd rather win one Superbowl and then go 0-16 for the next ten years (yes, that was one of the polls in the past). Makes no sense to me. But to each their own. CW 223760[/snapback] i used to be a big sports fan in general. now i only one - football - and i follow that one obsessively. because i follow the bills, it's also emotionally draining. i've told myself for about 6-7 years now that if the bills were to win a super bowl, i'd never have to watch another sporting event in my life. i pray for that day. until then, though, i'm stuck watching god know how many football games a year. so, yeah, i'd definitely take one victory over 4 losses. after all, why should i care what other people think of the bills? i'm the one who counts ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 i used to be a big sports fan in general. now i only one - football - and i follow that one obsessively. because i follow the bills, it's also emotionally draining. i've told myself for about 6-7 years now that if the bills were to win a super bowl, i'd never have to watch another sporting event in my life. i pray for that day. until then, though, i'm stuck watching god know how many football games a year. so, yeah, i'd definitely take one victory over 4 losses. after all, why should i care what other people think of the bills? i'm the one who counts ... 224007[/snapback] And that, my friend, is the crux of the issue. *I* want the win. *I* want the right for a year to crow and gloat. Is it greedy? Yes. Is it somewhat immature. Absolutely. But I don't care. When I go to a game at the ralph, I want to see SB (whatever) Champs painted on the back of the jumbotron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 But I don't care. When I go to a game at the ralph, I want to see SB (whatever) Champs painted on the back of the jumbotron. 224019[/snapback] you could see it during the game if it was painted on the front... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 you could see it during the game if it was painted on the front... 224037[/snapback] You most definitely could, But I think they'd have a banner flying somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grant Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Thank you for putting words into my mouth that I never said or meant. Will you be my PR person please? CW 223965[/snapback] Just a little bump for everyone's buddy, Fezmid, who has taken the liberty to challenge my intelligence in other threads regarding this argument. I'm still waiting to see how I horribly misinterpreted you. Please, sir. Enlighten me. Show me how you are a genius and I am "simply not intelligent enough" to understand. Please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 So you're saying that, had we won the Superbowl in 1999, you wouldn't be complaining that we weren't good a couple of years later? That's BS. 223760[/snapback] That's exactly what I would say. According to Bill Simmons' 5 year grace period rule, you wouldn't be allowed to complain until next season, 2005. I'm a diehard SU fan and I used to be a Boeheim detractor, but I'm going to keep my mouth shut at least until 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarthur31 Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 So you're saying that, had we won the Superbowl in 1999, you wouldn't be complaining that we weren't good a couple of years later? That's BS. The fact of the matter is, we were the best team in the league for over 5 years. As other teams rose and fell, we were always near the top. I really can't believe the people who say they'd rather win one Superbowl and then go 0-16 for the next ten years (yes, that was one of the polls in the past). Makes no sense to me. But to each their own. CW 223760[/snapback] I'm with you man! I don't want to be regarded like the Chiefs, Jests, or Colts now like as if they never wo it!!! I'll take that mini dynasty over just 1 SB win!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 And that, my friend, is the crux of the issue. *I* want the win. *I* want the right for a year to crow and gloat. Is it greedy? Yes. Is it somewhat immature. Absolutely. But I don't care. When I go to a game at the ralph, I want to see SB (whatever) Champs painted on the back of the jumbotron. 224019[/snapback] I swear that I would buy anything that had "Bills SB champions" on it. Teeshirts, sweatshirts, flags, shotglasses, beer mugs, jackets, hats, programs, dvd's, etc.... I'm with JSP....that year of being champion would be fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assquatch Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Tonight was the debut of the NFL Network on Adelphia and that was the first thing I saw on it. I had to turn it right off. To this day, I have never watched any replays of the game or any highlights of the game except seeing Norwood miss and I still have to turn away when they show that. I still have the tape of the game and it's never been watched or rewound since that night right after the missed FG. It's exactly at the spot where I stopped the tape at the end of the game. The only thing I did was take it out the VCR and put it away in a closet. It stays that way until the Bills win a Super Bowl and then I will rewind it and watch it. Anyone think the NFL Network knew that it was their debut night on Buffalo cable or was it just a coincidence that they showed the SB XXV highlights? 223534[/snapback] On what channel do I find NFL network on Buffalo cable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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