A Football Life-Doug Flutie

[Clippers of Nfl]

This is a disgusting article. I wonder how Gleason sleeps at night, writing such a slanted hit piece for that, backed up with nothing but conjecture and ill will. What a hack.

He cites how Flutie would sign autographs with a happy face in pubic.

But then would complain about it.

 

Really????

 

Who cares. I'm pretty sure every superstar does a little of this. "Oh here we go again with this signing sh" Of course one would love to be a famous star to get the opp to sign autographs for fans. But after a while, it would get old. Old, really fast.

[thebandit27]

 

 

This is a disgusting article. I wonder how Gleason sleeps at night, writing such a slanted hit piece for that, backed up with nothing but conjecture and ill will. What a hack.

 

So no possibility exists that it's at least partially true?

 

Interesting.

 

 

He cites how Flutie would sign autographs with a happy face in pubic.

But then would complain about it.

 

Really????

 

Who cares. I'm pretty sure every superstar does a little of this. "Oh here we go again with this signing sh" Of course one would love to be a famous star to get the opp to sign autographs for fans. But after a while, it would get old. Old, really fast.

 

Many pro athletes consider it a privilege to sign autographs just FYI.

[A Dog Named Kelso]

He cites how Flutie would sign autographs with a happy face in pubic.

But then would complain about it.

 

There certainly could be truth to this and there could be bias to how it was referenced too. We have no idea what "Complain" means without context or who provided the account and their feeling toward Flutie.

 

"Oh man that was brutal today, I wish it didn't got that long"

Someone with a vendetta believe he means he hates it

Someone with no vendetta might see it as he wished he got home to he sick son sooner.

 

One really has no idea.

Edited October 22, 2014 by A Dog Named Kelso

[Clippers of Nfl]

So no possibility exists that it's at least partially true?

 

Interesting.

I'll take mean tough physical me me me me me jerk winning players anyday.

 

But that's just me.

 

All his life he was told he was too short. I think I would be a jerk too.

[transient]

I was planning to DVR this, but I accidentally DVR'd a rerun of "Little People Big World," instead. I got halfway through the episode before I realized that the father in the show wasn't Doug Flutie.

[Rob's House]

 

Many pro athletes consider it a privilege to sign autographs just FYI.

 

So what? If a guy hates it but still puts on a happy face for the fans I'd say he's a good guy. I'd rather be caned by a sadistic enforcer in Singapore than go to my daughter's dance recital, but I tell her I liked it. Am I an !@#$ for that?

Edited October 22, 2014 by Rob's House

[Clippers of Nfl]

So no possibility exists that it's at least partially true?

 

Interesting.

 

 

 

Many pro athletes consider it a privilege to sign autographs just FYI.

I know. I mentioned that. But it wouldnt surprise me if they got annoyed by it from time to time.

 

In fact I would expect them to be annoyed every now and then.

 

But again, even by this article, he would not show his dislike for this part of his job to the fans. So what's the problem.

 

So what? If a guy hates it but still puts on a happy face for the fans I'd say he's a good guy. I'd rather be caned by a sadistic enforcer in Singapore than go to my daughter's dance recital, but I tell her I liked it. Am I an !@#$ for that?

You beat me to it.

[Tyrod's Tailor]

I'd rather be caned by a sadistic enforcer in Singapore than go to my daughter's dance recital, but I tell her I liked it. Am I an !@#$ for that?

 

Depends. Does she read this board?

[Gray Beard]

There are people who say that having Richie Incognito or Ray Rice or Adrian Peterson on their team would be ok because those players would help them win.

Doug Flutie is/was an arrogant jerk, but he helped the team win and was fun to watch. That is unforgivable, but beating your wife and kids apparently isn't so bad.

[Alaska Darin]

Finally. Someone has seen the light. Thank you.

 

(seriously ... the BC luckiest pass in the world? You give that little dick credit for that?)

He'd completed that exact play before. So maybe it was the second luckiest pass in the world. Regardless of that fact, that Miami team was loaded and that BC team wasn't. Flutie was the reason that Hail Mary even mattered.

[birdog1960]

Aside from the fact that I don't think that being better than Rob Johnson qualifies as being a good QB, one of the biggest reasons that I don't like the guy (and I've been told that this is indeed credible):

 

By BUCKY GLEASON

10/25/01

 

 

So, you're a Doug Flutie fan? It's OK. You're hardly alone in this town.

In fact, it has come to my attention that some of you will be rooting for

the San Diego Chargers this weekend solely because the cuddly little

fellow now wears a different shade of blue. Hey, it's your choice.

 

 

But before you change your allegiance for a week, you might want to know a

few things about the Flutester. For one, he's a phony. He had half of

Western New York, most of Canada and parts of New England snowed into

thinking he was such a great guy when the Bills for years were quietly

laughing while watching his little act.

 

 

Such transparent personalities aren't usually embraced in this town, but

this was a charade for the ages. Flutie had two performances working - the

one he played for the public and the off-Broadway persona reserved for

behind closed doors. We're talking two totally different dudes. You like

the one you see. You wouldn't like the one they know.

 

 

See, Flutie was a selfish, egotistical, conniving, manipulative, shrewd

individualist who did almost anything to make sure he came out looking

better than his former teammate, Rob Johnson, in their battle to run the

offense.

 

 

Did I forget insecure? Yep, Flutie worried that he would never get his

opportunity to quiet lifelong skeptics, so he worked behind the scenes

against Johnson. The word "backstabber" has been tossed around frequently

in Bills' circles to describe Flutie since he left town. Predictably, he

was a model for diplomacy when speaking to the media Wednesday.

 

 

When Johnson was injured he did everything asked to help Flutie get ready

for the next opponent, but it didn't take long for him to realize the

favor wouldn't be returned. How sophomoric did Flutie become? Well, even

when Johnson played well and the Bills won, Flutie told his teammates he

would have done a much better job, that he should have been the

quarterback, that he would have avoided more sacks, that the Bills would

have won by more had he been given the reins. And once his tiresome tirade

was over, he would ask his listeners, "Don't you think?"

 

 

What you don't know is that Johnson approached Flutie several times last

year, long before the story in Sports Illustrated and the interview with

Jim Rome outlined their genuine disdain for each other, and asked him why

he was mouthing off behind his back. Johnson was attempting to handle

things privately, like a professional. Flutie, of course, denied

everything, like an amateur. It didn't matter. Johnson knew the score

because his teammates kept telling him.

 

 

Johnson's dilemma wasn't about quarterbacking but battery. He debated

whether to simply punch out Flutie or keep quiet. Oh, he wanted Flutie in

a small room with the lights off for a woodshed special, but he

reconsidered because he thought it would have been disruptive - to the

Bills. Really, I'm not making this up.

 

 

Together, they stewed in silence. And I mean silence.

 

 

Last year, when the Bills held their quarterback meetings in preparation

for the next opponent, there usually were two people talking and neither

was named Doug or Rob. Instead, bench warmer Alex Van Pelt reviewed the

game plan with offensive coordinator Joe Pendry. Johnson threw in his two

cents every so often. Flutie threw in three cents just to be sure. But

they said nothing to each other.

 

 

What you don't know is that Flutie loved signing autographs in public but

privately complained about the exercise. He was a go-to guy in training

camp because he understood the importance of a good first impression. Give

him credit, he's an engaging man the first few times you meet him.

Grandmas and kids love the guy. People adore the underdog, and he plays

the role better than anyone in recent memory. And to him, all those people

lining up weren't Bills fans as much as they were Flutie fans. Behind the

scenes, say, on a Tuesday with nobody around, Flutie whined about such

inconveniences. After awhile, the Bills dreaded asking him to sign. He'll

deny it to the day he's dead, but it's the truth.

 

 

What you don't know is that Johnson volunteered his services to the Bills'

marketing staff. In fact, he has ordered the community relations people to

keep quiet about his charities, such as the time he spends in Children's

Hospital and his work with Habitat for Humanity, among others. He wanted

his off-field work reserved for his private life, away from the cameras

and commercials. He wanted to be known in these parts as a quarterback,

not a humanitarian.

 

 

Flutie was known as a winner, Johnson a fragile outcast. So why has Flutie

played for eight professional teams since he threw the Hail Mary? Because

Flutie's charm runs only so long before people discover the facade. Teams

aren't far behind.

 

 

Anyway, when it's all added up, the Bills' defense did more for the team's

success than anything Flutie accomplished. He has a better team wrapped

around him now, too. We'll see what happens when the Chargers play

Oakland, Denver and Seattle the second time around.

 

 

You might want to start supporting Johnson because he's not going anywhere

for a while. Since the first preseason game, he has played a grand total

of three plays behind the starting offensive line. Granted, he's no Steve

Young, but he's improving. Fans are giving him less time for success than

he's had in the pocket.

 

 

And that brings us to Bills President and General Manager Tom Donahoe, who

really didn't have a difficult decision about whether he would retain

Flutie or Johnson. Flutie had three offseason meetings with Donahoe and

the coaching staff before the Bills made their choice. Flutie, after

complaining about the process to others, made sure to say their West Coast

offense had better fit his style because he wasn't changing. Flutie told

them straight out, "I'm going to play my way." They were floored.

 

 

Johnson, on the other hand, asked how he could help the team. West Coast?

East Coast? They could have said Gulf Coast, and he would have agreed if

it meant helping the Bills win. Johnson, supposedly a California beach

bum, even asked his bosses whether they wanted him to stay in Western New

York through the winter so he could work on the new attack. They were

floored.

 

 

And when the interviews were completed, the Bills needed about 11 seconds

to realize it wasn't a Flutie-Johnson issue at all. It was Johnson or

someone else.

 

 

See, what Flutie never understood was that public perception didn't always

equate to absolute truth. He apparently didn't realize the Bills would be

talking to everyone from the backup center to the maintenance man at The

Ralph. He didn't realize how many people he insulted when he was here.

It's hardly surprising.

 

 

Doug Flutie was always about one thing. Doug Flutie.

gleason comes of as the jerk to me. and he was clearly wrong on multiple accounts. johnson may well have told the bills brass that he'd do whatever was needed to win. BUT HE DIDN"T WIN and therefore didn't do what was needed whether the brass felt he did or not! flute did. i suspect the choice between retaining flute and johnson the following year was strongly influenced by wilson and we all knew who he favored.

[transient]

So what? If a guy hates it but still puts on a happy face for the fans I'd say he's a good guy. I'd rather be caned by a sadistic enforcer in Singapore than go to my daughter's dance recital, but I tell her I liked it. Am I an !@#$ for that?

 

I'm right there with you on the caning. Those sadistic little Singapore women really know their sh... wait a minute... to be clear, you're saying you like your daughter's recitals... right?

Edited October 22, 2014 by transient

[Alaska Darin]

Aside from the fact that I don't think that being better than Rob Johnson qualifies as being a good QB, one of the biggest reasons that I don't like the guy (and I've been told that this is indeed credible):

 

By BUCKY GLEASON

10/25/01

 

 

So, you're a Doug Flutie fan? It's OK. You're hardly alone in this town.

In fact, it has come to my attention that some of you will be rooting for

the San Diego Chargers this weekend solely because the cuddly little

fellow now wears a different shade of blue. Hey, it's your choice.

 

 

But before you change your allegiance for a week, you might want to know a

few things about the Flutester. For one, he's a phony. He had half of

Western New York, most of Canada and parts of New England snowed into

thinking he was such a great guy when the Bills for years were quietly

laughing while watching his little act.

 

 

Such transparent personalities aren't usually embraced in this town, but

this was a charade for the ages. Flutie had two performances working - the

one he played for the public and the off-Broadway persona reserved for

behind closed doors. We're talking two totally different dudes. You like

the one you see. You wouldn't like the one they know.

 

 

See, Flutie was a selfish, egotistical, conniving, manipulative, shrewd

individualist who did almost anything to make sure he came out looking

better than his former teammate, Rob Johnson, in their battle to run the

offense.

 

 

Did I forget insecure? Yep, Flutie worried that he would never get his

opportunity to quiet lifelong skeptics, so he worked behind the scenes

against Johnson. The word "backstabber" has been tossed around frequently

in Bills' circles to describe Flutie since he left town. Predictably, he

was a model for diplomacy when speaking to the media Wednesday.

 

 

When Johnson was injured he did everything asked to help Flutie get ready

for the next opponent, but it didn't take long for him to realize the

favor wouldn't be returned. How sophomoric did Flutie become? Well, even

when Johnson played well and the Bills won, Flutie told his teammates he

would have done a much better job, that he should have been the

quarterback, that he would have avoided more sacks, that the Bills would

have won by more had he been given the reins. And once his tiresome tirade

was over, he would ask his listeners, "Don't you think?"

 

 

What you don't know is that Johnson approached Flutie several times last

year, long before the story in Sports Illustrated and the interview with

Jim Rome outlined their genuine disdain for each other, and asked him why

he was mouthing off behind his back. Johnson was attempting to handle

things privately, like a professional. Flutie, of course, denied

everything, like an amateur. It didn't matter. Johnson knew the score

because his teammates kept telling him.

 

 

Johnson's dilemma wasn't about quarterbacking but battery. He debated

whether to simply punch out Flutie or keep quiet. Oh, he wanted Flutie in

a small room with the lights off for a woodshed special, but he

reconsidered because he thought it would have been disruptive - to the

Bills. Really, I'm not making this up.

 

 

Together, they stewed in silence. And I mean silence.

 

 

Last year, when the Bills held their quarterback meetings in preparation

for the next opponent, there usually were two people talking and neither

was named Doug or Rob. Instead, bench warmer Alex Van Pelt reviewed the

game plan with offensive coordinator Joe Pendry. Johnson threw in his two

cents every so often. Flutie threw in three cents just to be sure. But

they said nothing to each other.

 

 

What you don't know is that Flutie loved signing autographs in public but

privately complained about the exercise. He was a go-to guy in training

camp because he understood the importance of a good first impression. Give

him credit, he's an engaging man the first few times you meet him.

Grandmas and kids love the guy. People adore the underdog, and he plays

the role better than anyone in recent memory. And to him, all those people

lining up weren't Bills fans as much as they were Flutie fans. Behind the

scenes, say, on a Tuesday with nobody around, Flutie whined about such

inconveniences. After awhile, the Bills dreaded asking him to sign. He'll

deny it to the day he's dead, but it's the truth.

 

 

What you don't know is that Johnson volunteered his services to the Bills'

marketing staff. In fact, he has ordered the community relations people to

keep quiet about his charities, such as the time he spends in Children's

Hospital and his work with Habitat for Humanity, among others. He wanted

his off-field work reserved for his private life, away from the cameras

and commercials. He wanted to be known in these parts as a quarterback,

not a humanitarian.

 

 

Flutie was known as a winner, Johnson a fragile outcast. So why has Flutie

played for eight professional teams since he threw the Hail Mary? Because

Flutie's charm runs only so long before people discover the facade. Teams

aren't far behind.

 

 

Anyway, when it's all added up, the Bills' defense did more for the team's

success than anything Flutie accomplished. He has a better team wrapped

around him now, too. We'll see what happens when the Chargers play

Oakland, Denver and Seattle the second time around.

 

 

You might want to start supporting Johnson because he's not going anywhere

for a while. Since the first preseason game, he has played a grand total

of three plays behind the starting offensive line. Granted, he's no Steve

Young, but he's improving. Fans are giving him less time for success than

he's had in the pocket.

 

 

And that brings us to Bills President and General Manager Tom Donahoe, who

really didn't have a difficult decision about whether he would retain

Flutie or Johnson. Flutie had three offseason meetings with Donahoe and

the coaching staff before the Bills made their choice. Flutie, after

complaining about the process to others, made sure to say their West Coast

offense had better fit his style because he wasn't changing. Flutie told

them straight out, "I'm going to play my way." They were floored.

 

 

Johnson, on the other hand, asked how he could help the team. West Coast?

East Coast? They could have said Gulf Coast, and he would have agreed if

it meant helping the Bills win. Johnson, supposedly a California beach

bum, even asked his bosses whether they wanted him to stay in Western New

York through the winter so he could work on the new attack. They were

floored.

 

 

And when the interviews were completed, the Bills needed about 11 seconds

to realize it wasn't a Flutie-Johnson issue at all. It was Johnson or

someone else.

 

 

See, what Flutie never understood was that public perception didn't always

equate to absolute truth. He apparently didn't realize the Bills would be

talking to everyone from the backup center to the maintenance man at The

Ralph. He didn't realize how many people he insulted when he was here.

It's hardly surprising.

 

 

Doug Flutie was always about one thing. Doug Flutie.

Sure glad RJ put in all that work to get better. For !@#$'s sake what a **** piece that is.

 

gleason comes of as the jerk to me. and he was clearly wrong on multiple accounts. johnson may well have told the bills brass that he'd do whatever was needed to win. BUT HE DIDN"T WIN and therefore didn't do what was needed whether the brass felt he did or not! flute did. i suspect the choice between retaining flute and johnson the following year was strongly influenced by wilson and we all knew who he favored.

The best thing RJ did for the BILLS was go somewhere else and suck just as much. Look like Tarzan, play like Jane.

[LA Grant]

So no possibility exists that it's at least partially true?

 

Interesting.

 

That seems like the same defense my grandma has for the National Enquirer.

[Alaska Darin]

So no possibility exists that it's at least partially true?

 

Interesting.

 

 

 

Many pro athletes consider it a privilege to sign autographs just FYI.

Joe Montana HATED signing autographs and interacting with fans. A high percentage of pro athletes do. I had a buddy who used to pitch in the majors. When he was in town we'd hang out and I'd go down to the locker room. When we'd leave the stadium, the fans would all be lined up to get stuff signed. If you didn't keep moving you'd never get out of there. I can tell you, from personal experience, that most of them were VERY rude. I had people thrust things in my face to sign, which I found hysterical. After a couple of times, I started signing everything "Junior Griffey". Idiots.

 

One time we were in the john at a nice restaurant and a woman came in and asked him to sign an autograph while he was at the urinal. Are you !@#$ing kidding me?

[Jim in Anchorage]

Joe Montana HATED signing autographs and interacting with fans. A high percentage of pro athletes do. I had a buddy who used to pitch in the majors. When he was in town we'd hang out and I'd go down to the locker room. When we'd leave the stadium, the fans would all be lined up to get stuff signed. If you didn't keep moving you'd never get out of there. I can tell you, from personal experience, that most of them were VERY rude. I had people thrust things in my face to sign, which I found hysterical. After a couple of times, I started signing everything "Junior Griffey". Idiots.

 

One time we were in the john at a nice restaurant and a woman came in and asked him to sign an autograph while he was at the urinal. Are you !@#$ing kidding me?

That begs a certain response I can't mention here.

[Gugny]

He'd completed that exact play before. So maybe it was the second luckiest pass in the world. Regardless of that fact, that Miami team was loaded and that BC team wasn't. Flutie was the reason that Hail Mary even mattered.

I'm agreeing that Flutie was a great college QB. Just like Tebow, Crouch, JaMarcus Russell, Chris Weinke and Vince Young were great college QBs.

[Buffalo Boy]

Every third ball batted down at the line, check. Stupid jump like some kinda SNL goofball skit, Check. Repeated throws into the turf short, of the receiver ala Vince Feragamo, Check. Couldn't throw a TEN yard out(much less a 15) to safe his life, check. FLUTIE SUCKED!!!!!!! Remeber that awesome pick in the endzone he through in the playoff game he did play in? That D was the BOMB. Kinda like last weeks game but for a whole season. D keeps you in it and you throw enough crap against the wall and something sticks once in a while P.S

. Hate Orton too!!!

[thebandit27]

 

 

So what? If a guy hates it but still puts on a happy face for the fans I'd say he's a good guy. I'd rather be caned by a sadistic enforcer in Singapore than go to my daughter's dance recital, but I tell her I liked it. Am I an !@#$ for that?

 

I'd didn't say that at all. I just said that many athletes consider it a privelidge.

 

gleason comes of as the jerk to me. and he was clearly wrong on multiple accounts. johnson may well have told the bills brass that he'd do whatever was needed to win. BUT HE DIDN"T WIN and therefore didn't do what was needed whether the brass felt he did or not! flute did. i suspect the choice between retaining flute and johnson the following year was strongly influenced by wilson and we all knew who he favored.

 

As I am always forced to say: my position on Flutie has ZERO to do with Johnson. We all know who was the better QB.

 

I didn't like Flutie, and I didn't think he was very good.

 

 

 

That seems like the same defense my grandma has for the National Enquirer.

 

So far the National Enquirer has provided more insight to their articles than you've provided here.

 

Just sayin'

 

 

Joe Montana HATED signing autographs and interacting with fans. A high percentage of pro athletes do. I had a buddy who used to pitch in the majors. When he was in town we'd hang out and I'd go down to the locker room. When we'd leave the stadium, the fans would all be lined up to get stuff signed. If you didn't keep moving you'd never get out of there. I can tell you, from personal experience, that most of them were VERY rude. I had people thrust things in my face to sign, which I found hysterical. After a couple of times, I started signing everything "Junior Griffey". Idiots.

 

One time we were in the john at a nice restaurant and a woman came in and asked him to sign an autograph while he was at the urinal. Are you !@#$ing kidding me?

 

I have said nothing against the practice of signing autographs or complaining about it other than that many athletes consider it a privelidge.

 

If someone wants to boil Bucky's article down to that one point, I'd consider that cherry picking.

 

I've always felt the same about Flutie, both from watching/hearing him and from stories I've gotten thru my AP contacts: he wasn't a very good QB, and he wasn't a very good teammate.

[BackInDaDay]

it doesn't matter if i believe the rumors about Flutie feeding babies to rabid dogs, or the one about RJ donating half his brain to a homeless man before leaving Jacksonville.. maybe they're true.. maybe they're not.. the only thing that matters is - they both broke my heart in Nashville. helluva thing.