TC in St. Louis Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I wonder how many times he voted in that poll this morning. Torrell Troup will constantly remind me of how sometimes we draft the wrong guy. Gronkowski was sitting there waiting to become a Buffalo Bill when somebody thought, "hey, this guy nobody has heard of, bet he'll be great!! The next Leif Larsen!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 FYI: http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/170010-nfl-cutdown-to-75/#entry3220284 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted August 25, 2014 Author Share Posted August 25, 2014 Sorry. Missed that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Tom Modrak singlehandedly destroyed this team for a decade. They guy should have a statue at the new ralph we fans can stone. So many horrendous first, second and third round picks. Anyone who doesn't see the stark contrast since his departure just can't see. All these undersized and underachieving d linemen sprinkled with an occasional surprise late rounder. The 2010 draft was the last year with his fingerprints on there.. Other than Kyle Williams the guy couldn't scout d linemen to save his life. Other than rb's a de's it's pretty appalling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I wonder how many times he voted in that poll this morning. Torrell Troup will constantly remind me of how sometimes we draft the wrong guy. Gronkowski was sitting there waiting to become a Buffalo Bill when somebody thought, "hey, this guy nobody has heard of, bet he'll be great!! The next Leif Larsen!!" Don't insult Leif Larsen like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Tom Modrak singlehandedly destroyed this team for a decade. They guy should have a statue at the new ralph we fans can stone. So many horrendous first, second and third round picks. Anyone who doesn't see the stark contrast since his departure just can't see. All these undersized and underachieving d linemen sprinkled with an occasional surprise late rounder. The 2010 draft was the last year with his fingerprints on there.. Other than Kyle Williams the guy couldn't scout d linemen to save his life. Other than rb's a de's it's pretty appalling... Selective shifting of accountability is a Bills fan's specialty. Nix made the Troup selection. Unless you work at OBD I am not sure you know if he was Modrak's guy or not. For all any of us know, current GM Whaley had more influence with Nix than Modrak did in that draft. No question the Bills whiffed on a lot of first round picks. But Modrak wasn't responsible resign guys. A Modrak era team with proper resigning could look something like this. Oline could be Levitre, Woods, Jason Peters plus whatever olinemen could have been drafted in 2010,11,12, 13, 14 Jabari Greer, McKelvin, Byrd, Donte Whitner in the secondary. Kyle Williams plus whatever 100mm DE the GM chose to sign plus whatever #3 overall person would have been picked in 2011 (Dareus was fairly consensus). plus any other linemen drafted in 2012, 13, 14 If Modrak gets blamed for Troup, I guess he gets credit for Spiller. So the RB's would be Spiller and Fred Jackson. plus anyone else drafted in 10,11,12,13,14 QB would be whatever QB's could have been drafted in 2011,12,13,14 - a few drafted since then have succeeded in the NFL WR would be steve johnson plus whoever was drafted in 11,12,13,14. Modrak was never GM. His official title probably should have been "convenient scapegoat" Its a strange concept to blame a scout who hasn't been with team for four years for the fact that the Nix/Whaley regime hasn't built a winner yet. Seattle has turned over virtually its entire roster from 2010 to 14 and managed to make the playoffs and win the Super Bowl. The Bills with the advantage of drafting around the top 10 every year haven't managed anything in the same time frame. But lets put up a statue of a mid-level manager most casual Bills fans ever heard of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 First Wang, now Troup. What's this world coming to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 (edited) Modrak's departure is addition by subtraction. No need to beat him up but it's good to move on. Edited August 26, 2014 by Green Lightning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 After the firing of team president Tom Donahoe in 2005 the team then started a full downward spiral with no real FO football man as GM- president. Wilson took over his role as president again, and hired ex HC Marv Levy as GM. Then after Marv stepped down in 2007 the team virtually had no upper management control or accountability. Ralph Wilson was quietly behind the scenes becoming another Al Davis - Jerry Jones, as an owner who has his hands on everything. Wilson made the statement the team lacked talent, and yet didn't know what to do to correct it. You guys can blame Tom Donahoe, Tom Modrak, Marv Levy, Buddy Nix, and the real blame goes to an owner who should have stayed in retirement after he fired Donahoe, and simply hired a new president. Hopefully new ownership will change the losing culture of this franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Selective shifting of accountability is a Bills fan's specialty. Nix made the Troup selection. Unless you work at OBD I am not sure you know if he was Modrak's guy or not. For all any of us know, current GM Whaley had more influence with Nix than Modrak did in that draft. No question the Bills whiffed on a lot of first round picks. But Modrak wasn't responsible resign guys. A Modrak era team with proper resigning could look something like this. Oline could be Levitre, Woods, Jason Peters plus whatever olinemen could have been drafted in 2010,11,12, 13, 14 Jabari Greer, McKelvin, Byrd, Donte Whitner in the secondary. Kyle Williams plus whatever 100mm DE the GM chose to sign plus whatever #3 overall person would have been picked in 2011 (Dareus was fairly consensus). plus any other linemen drafted in 2012, 13, 14 If Modrak gets blamed for Troup, I guess he gets credit for Spiller. So the RB's would be Spiller and Fred Jackson. plus anyone else drafted in 10,11,12,13,14 QB would be whatever QB's could have been drafted in 2011,12,13,14 - a few drafted since then have succeeded in the NFL WR would be steve johnson plus whoever was drafted in 11,12,13,14. Modrak was never GM. His official title probably should have been "convenient scapegoat" Its a strange concept to blame a scout who hasn't been with team for four years for the fact that the Nix/Whaley regime hasn't built a winner yet. Seattle has turned over virtually its entire roster from 2010 to 14 and managed to make the playoffs and win the Super Bowl. The Bills with the advantage of drafting around the top 10 every year haven't managed anything in the same time frame. But lets put up a statue of a mid-level manager most casual Bills fans ever heard of. The pattern is obvious, if you don't see the difference between 2002-2010 drafts and those since, you're just not paying attention. It was stated he owned the creation of the draft board during that time and the draft board drives the decisions. I give him all the credit for spiller. It's exactly the type of player you'd expect to top his draft board. A one dimensional football player who has some elite trait but wasn't even an every down player at the collegiate level. Troup was another McCargo and Tim Anderson before that. How many times did you hear, not ideal strength, speed or size but high motor player... Go back and look at those drafts, read about his dismissal, look at the timing and drafts since. You do t see it??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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