Orlando Buffalo Posted August 30 Posted August 30 52 minutes ago, rusty shackleford said: Considering many handguns and rifles are also semi-automatics, I don’t think the specific action or type is the real problem. The problem is what is part of the background check. The ability to keep them away from the mentally unstable is the real issue. Ok we can have a real conversation here, what standards do you want to enact? Because the standard depends if you want to cut the rate in half or 90%
Andy1 Posted August 30 Posted August 30 13 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: What would you propose from a confiscation, or compulsory give back, to start to solve the problem? I’m torn on this issue—I’m not a gun enthusiast but know many, many responsible gun owners. It seems we have rules in place to screen, yet in the cases of these crazies guns are obtained regardless. In a dream world - Better more thorough background checks. Longer waiting cool down periods. Mandatory background checks for private sales and gun shows. Ban sales to people with history of any violence or animal abuse. Red flag laws enforced. Restricted sales to men under the age of 25. Young screwed up men are nearly the entire problem. Another effective solution may be strategies to reduce isolation in society which promote relationship building for young men. Im not saying it would be a panacea, but I think it would help…. Not that I expect any of the legal stuff to happen given the court and politics, thus the sacrifice of lives must continue. On a positive note, I read that mass shootings are declining compared to years ago, so maybe we are over the hump or it could just be declining demographics of young men. 1
rusty shackleford Posted August 30 Posted August 30 2 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said: Ok we can have a real conversation here, what standards do you want to enact? Because the standard depends if you want to cut the rate in half or 90% My opinion will differ than many around here. I don’t think there should be much restrictions on gun laws for every day Americans. But for felons (easy to define) and mentally ill (much harder to define) need to be quite restrictive. I don’t know how to draw a line in the sand for mentally ill but there are definitely at least red flags that should trigger higher levels of review… Changing your name from Rob to Robin and mutilating yourself would at least seem like a good place to start. 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted August 30 Posted August 30 17 minutes ago, Andy1 said: In a dream world - Better more thorough background checks. Longer waiting cool down periods. Mandatory background checks for private sales and gun shows. Ban sales to people with history of any violence or animal abuse. Red flag laws enforced. Restricted sales to men under the age of 25. Young screwed up men are nearly the entire problem. Another effective solution may be strategies to reduce isolation in society which promote relationship building for young men. Im not saying it would be a panacea, but I think it would help…. Not that I expect any of the legal stuff to happen given the court and politics, thus the sacrifice of lives must continue. On a positive note, I read that mass shootings are declining compared to years ago, so maybe we are over the hump or it could just be declining demographics of young men. 14 minutes ago, rusty shackleford said: My opinion will differ than many around here. I don’t think there should be much restrictions on gun laws for every day Americans. But for felons (easy to define) and mentally ill (much harder to define) need to be quite restrictive. I don’t know how to draw a line in the sand for mentally ill but there are definitely at least red flags that should trigger higher levels of review… Changing your name from Rob to Robin and mutilating yourself would at least seem like a good place to start. I believe both of these are honest answers and likely stuff we can all get behind. To Andy how do you stop a parent from giving to child and to rusty I ask is there any definition of mental illness that could pass muster with our Congress? Also to Andy the 25 would be a sticking point since we let 21 years all.pther rights.
stevestojan Posted August 30 Posted August 30 (edited) “It’s not a gun issue; it’s a mental health issue.” I’m so glad my friends on the right are finally supporting universal health care. And by that reasoning, apparently we are the only 1st world country with a mental health crisis. Disregard how many guns we have, we just over-index by a thousand fold on mental health issues I guess. The leading cause of death in people under 18 (that’s children for those not following along) in this country is gun related. But nope, no gun problem here; just a bunch of maniacs that need some lexapro…. by orders of magnitude over any other wealthy nation. Do you hear how ridiculous you sound? Nevermind, you don’t. Edited August 30 by stevestojan
gobills404 Posted August 30 Posted August 30 1 hour ago, Homelander said: Canada, Switzerland, and Sweden have fewer mass shootings, fewer dead kids, and fewer politicians owned by gun lobbies - wonder why that didn’t make your list? Yes, that’s literally the point I’m making. They have much less gun violence and violent crime in general despite still have very high gun ownership rates. So blaming gun violence in America solely on the fact that gun ownership is legal is dishonest. Thank you for agreeing with me.
rusty shackleford Posted August 30 Posted August 30 2 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said: I believe both of these are honest answers and likely stuff we can all get behind. To Andy how do you stop a parent from giving to child and to rusty I ask is there any definition of mental illness that could pass muster with our Congress? Also to Andy the 25 would be a sticking point since we let 21 years all.pther rights. No, I don’t think there will ever be clear cut definitions and answers there, and I don’t blame them, it’s a difficult answer. In the meantime, at least the rest of the public can do is not be forced to be restricted and watch their 6.
stevestojan Posted August 30 Posted August 30 10 minutes ago, gobills404 said: Yes, that’s literally the point I’m making. They have much less gun violence and violent crime in general despite still have very high gun ownership rates. So blaming gun violence in America solely on the fact that gun ownership is legal is dishonest. Thank you for agreeing with me. Guns per 100 people: US: 120.5 Canada: 34.7 Switzerland: 27.6 Sweden: 23.
rusty shackleford Posted August 30 Posted August 30 15 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said: I believe both of these are honest answers and likely stuff we can all get behind. To Andy how do you stop a parent from giving to child and to rusty I ask is there any definition of mental illness that could pass muster with our Congress? Also to Andy the 25 would be a sticking point since we let 21 years all.pther rights. On another topic but closely related…. 18, is that really the age we become adults and act accordingly? I know when I was an “adult” at college, I was really far from it. I do think the human mind needs more than 18 years to develop to full maturity. Maybe we just call it 25 to own a gun, vote, drive, etc… but then the parents need to sign up for a much longer incubation period 1
stevestojan Posted August 30 Posted August 30 14 hours ago, Wolfgang said: Were you wearing a dress while you typed that? Two kids shot dead while at church praying and you’re still doing your oddball red font highlight (you’re soooo clever!!) AND making jokes. What a disgusting person you are. Can’t wait to see what you highlight here. What a weird person, you ***** oddball. But the jokes during a discussion about kids shot dead in a church pew are really on brand for you.
Andy1 Posted August 30 Posted August 30 7 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said: To Andy how do you stop a parent from giving to child and to rusty I ask is there any definition of mental illness that could pass muster with our Congress? Also to Andy the 25 would be a sticking point since we let 21 years all.pther rights. Yea, the 25 age would never be ruled constitutional, but it would be effective. Before everyone spent their time behind screens, we used to go out to clubs, drink and hang out as young men. We went places and did activities with our peers. That is also what seems to be missing from many young men as they brew their hatred of others in isolation or with toxic crap on the internet. Remember the anti smoking public education campaigns years ago. I think they were largely successful in changing public behavior. I would support something like that with guns. Of course the gun lobby would stop it but I can dream…. Personally, I think far too many people buy guns without fully understanding and accepting the supreme responsibility that is assumed with that purchase. The gun is sitting in the house, waiting forever to do its job. People buy it, practice with it a bit, forget about it, get tired of it, maybe their feeling of being in danger is gone, maybe their mental health status changes, maybe their kid now becomes a young distraught man, maybe they just get old and die and the gun still sits there, waiting to be used. Guns last longer than the people who purchase them, thus they are everywhere. Safe storage laws, prosecutions of negligent parents, PR persuasion campaigns to turn them in or discourage their purchase, liability insurance requirements (probably unconstitutional, but I think would be effective). It’s a wicked problem and one without easy answers but to do nothing is also not an answer.
gobills404 Posted August 30 Posted August 30 34 minutes ago, stevestojan said: Guns per 100 people: US: 120.5 Canada: 34.7 Switzerland: 27.6 Sweden: 23. Gun homicides per 100k: USA - 5.6 Switzerland - 0.14 Sweden - 0.60 Canada - 0.89 Still an exponential increase in gun violence in America if even you try to correlate it with the amount of guns.
Wolfgang Posted August 30 Posted August 30 46 minutes ago, stevestojan said: Two kids shot dead while at church praying and you’re still doing your oddball red font highlight (you’re soooo clever!!) AND making jokes. What a disgusting person you are. Can’t wait to see what you highlight here. What a weird person, you ***** oddball. But the jokes during a discussion about kids shot dead in a church pew are really on brand for you. Are you mad at me? Or the murderer? You do realize I didn't kill anyone, correct?
Wolfgang Posted August 30 Posted August 30 (edited) Who are the parents of such a creature? What do they do for a living? Did they give him material support? Edited August 30 by Wolfgang
CoudyBills Posted September 2 Posted September 2 On 8/29/2025 at 9:29 PM, Andy1 said: In a dream world - Better more thorough background checks. Longer waiting cool down periods. Mandatory background checks for private sales and gun shows. Ban sales to people with history of any violence or animal abuse. Red flag laws enforced. Restricted sales to men under the age of 25. Young screwed up men are nearly the entire problem. Another effective solution may be strategies to reduce isolation in society which promote relationship building for young men. Im not saying it would be a panacea, but I think it would help…. Not that I expect any of the legal stuff to happen given the court and politics, thus the sacrifice of lives must continue. On a positive note, I read that mass shootings are declining compared to years ago, so maybe we are over the hump or it could just be declining demographics of young men. Go read the bill of rights and try again. On 8/29/2025 at 10:09 PM, rusty shackleford said: On another topic but closely related…. 18, is that really the age we become adults and act accordingly? I know when I was an “adult” at college, I was really far from it. I do think the human mind needs more than 18 years to develop to full maturity. Maybe we just call it 25 to own a gun, vote, drive, etc… but then the parents need to sign up for a much longer incubation period 25 to drive? Did you actually rub any brain cells together before typing that?
Orlando Buffalo Posted September 2 Posted September 2 2 hours ago, Homelander said: We are choosing to live like this. Yes if someone kicks in my door, at any time of the day, then they might make it to the next day. BTW the social media trend is to kick in the door, not ding ***** ditch style
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 2 Posted September 2 29 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said: Yes if someone kicks in my door, at any time of the day, then they might make it to the next day. BTW the social media trend is to kick in the door, not ding ***** ditch style I’m not reading where this boy tried to kick in the door, just that he and his friends rang the doorbell and took off. Assuming that’s accurate, what an insane thing for a person to do—-shoot at a group of people running away from the house after an admittedly aggravating stunt. I did read about the doors being kicked in…and wonder for the 50th time about the stupidity of some of these tik tok trends. That’s a good way to get killed.
AverageAllensSuspensor Posted September 2 Posted September 2 On 8/30/2025 at 4:59 AM, gobills404 said: Gun homicides per 100k: USA - 5.6 Switzerland - 0.14 Sweden - 0.60 Canada - 0.89 Still an exponential increase in gun violence in America if even you try to correlate it with the amount of guns. Legal guns in Sweden are almost just hunting rifles (and a few pistols etc. for target sports). The laws on who can have them and where to keep them are very strict. It does not campare at all to the US. It is not legal to carry a gun anywhere unless you are actually hunting (or on your way directly to/from hunting or shooting practice). Gun homicides in Sweden are rarely commited with legal weapons. The criminal gangs have a lot of illegal weapons (from ex Jugoslavia etc.) that are used for gang related shootings. We did (half) recently have a school shooting with legal weapons however. So those kind of crimes do also exist but they are very rare.
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