What is better, no guns, or more guns?

[BillStime]

2 hours ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Let me know where which part of the Bill or Rights cover lawn darts. 

 

How many people die until we outlaw hammers? Cars? Tobacco? Fast food? 

 

 

Fourteenth Amendment

 

.... No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws .... 

[LeviF]

All those words and none of them said "throw the book at people who violate the already existing laws."

 

In a sane society, the MSU shooter would still be behind bars for his 2019 charge, instead of shooting up MSU/unaliving himself.

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

26 minutes ago, LeviF said:

All those words and none of them said "throw the book at people who violate the already existing laws."

 

In a sane society, the MSU shooter would still be behind bars for his 2019 charge, instead of shooting up MSU/unaliving himself.

Being lenient on crime has consequences? What? No way!

[ChiGoose]

1 hour ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Ultimately the issue is with gang/drug violence in intercity. This is where most of the gun violence takes place. This is where most illegal gun use takes place. Until city LEO/mayors/governors take a strong stance on crime (hello? Chicago?) things will never change. 

 

The city of Chicago cannot solve the violence on its own. Even partnering with the state government wouldn't be enough. Most of the guns used in crimes in Chicago are shipped in from out of state. Just one store in Indiana was responsible for over 850 guns used in crimes in Chicago in just a seven year period.

 

The city has been partnering with the FBI to combat violence in the city, but so long as someone can walk into a store in Gary, Indiana and drive down the street to hand it off to gang members in Chicago, they'll never stop gun violence in the city

 

Some people respond to all of this with "criminals are going to break the laws anyway" (which really seems like an argument for getting rid of all laws...) whereas I'd rather look at it and say "what can we do to fix this?"

 

Simply better enforcing the laws on the books will help, but clearly the laws themselves are not effective. I'd rather have a discussion on how to make them more effective at stopping things like straw purchases, especially interstate ones.

 

Also, Chicago barely cracks the top 10 US cities in homicide rates. St. Louis has a homicide rate almost 3x that of Chicago while cities like New Orleans, Kansas City, Memphis and Newark also have higher homicide rates than Chicago. Yet it seems like all anyone wants to talk about is Chicago...

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

3 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

 

The city of Chicago cannot solve the violence on its own. Even partnering with the state government wouldn't be enough. Most of the guns used in crimes in Chicago are shipped in from out of state. Just one store in Indiana was responsible for over 850 guns used in crimes in Chicago in just a seven year period.

 

The city has been partnering with the FBI to combat violence in the city, but so long as someone can walk into a store in Gary, Indiana and drive down the street to hand it off to gang members in Chicago, they'll never stop gun violence in the city

 

Some people respond to all of this with "criminals are going to break the laws anyway" (which really seems like an argument for getting rid of all laws...) whereas I'd rather look at it and say "what can we do to fix this?"

 

Simply better enforcing the laws on the books will help, but clearly the laws themselves are not effective. I'd rather have a discussion on how to make them more effective at stopping things like straw purchases, especially interstate ones.

 

Also, Chicago barely cracks the top 10 US cities in homicide rates. St. Louis has a homicide rate almost 3x that of Chicago while cities like New Orleans, Kansas City, Memphis and Newark also have higher homicide rates than Chicago. Yet it seems like all anyone wants to talk about is Chicago...

Criminals will always find a way to commit crimes so having more laws does nothing but hurt law abiding citizens.

[ChiGoose]

10 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

Criminals will always find a way to commit crimes so having more laws does nothing but hurt law abiding citizens.

So why have any laws at all?

[B-Man]

2 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

So why have any laws at all?

 

 

Because most people are good.

 

and the law breakers can be punished.

 

Any other kindergarten questions ?

 

 

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

8 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

So why have any laws at all?

Deep thoughts with chigoose.

[BillStime]

So sad - so unnecessary 

 

 

 

[aristocrat]

the judge should be charged 

[LeviF]

11 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

the judge should be charged 

Gee I wonder why firearm felonies lead to racial inequities in imprisonment. 

[BillStime]

Nailed it 

 

 

[BillStime]

This is my store. I have no hesitation,” said one customer, Robert Archie. "You just hope that something else like that doesn’t happen again.”
 

 

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

7 hours ago, BillStime said:

Nailed it 

 

 

No what should have happened was the shooter should still be in jail for a felony charge but hey when actions have zero consequences this is what happens. Billsy the shooter would never have the opportunity to do this is we took our laws seriously. Comment?

[Tommy Callahan]

14 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

 

The city of Chicago cannot solve the violence on its own. Even partnering with the state government wouldn't be enough. Most of the guns used in crimes in Chicago are shipped in from out of state. Just one store in Indiana was responsible for over 850 guns used in crimes in Chicago in just a seven year period.

 

The city has been partnering with the FBI to combat violence in the city, but so long as someone can walk into a store in Gary, Indiana and drive down the street to hand it off to gang members in Chicago, they'll never stop gun violence in the city

 

Some people respond to all of this with "criminals are going to break the laws anyway" (which really seems like an argument for getting rid of all laws...) whereas I'd rather look at it and say "what can we do to fix this?"

 

Simply better enforcing the laws on the books will help, but clearly the laws themselves are not effective. I'd rather have a discussion on how to make them more effective at stopping things like straw purchases, especially interstate ones.

 

Also, Chicago barely cracks the top 10 US cities in homicide rates. St. Louis has a homicide rate almost 3x that of Chicago while cities like New Orleans, Kansas City, Memphis and Newark also have higher homicide rates than Chicago. Yet it seems like all anyone wants to talk about is Chicago...

The City of Chicago wont charge for gun possession and decides bail based on how rich the person is.

 

And then the same people kill more.

 

Old Lightfooot aint gonna fund the gang taskforce to start kicking in doors and going after those illigal guns and the gangs using them.  she gets a lot of votes from the same areas.

 

 

 

 

9 hours ago, LeviF said:

Gee I wonder why firearm felonies lead to racial inequities in imprisonment. 

from the article

"Even if he were convicted by a jury of the original charge, Anthony McRae would not have been recommended for a jail or prison sentence," the office said. "The sentencing guideline score would have been the same if he had been convicted of either the original charge (Carrying a Concealed Weapon) or the offense for which he was convicted (carrying a firearm in a vehicle)."

 

the very guidelines score created by our newest supreme court justice.

 

a system to not charge poor people for gun crimes seems like a system of oppression for their victims.

 

 

[BillStime]

2 hours ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

No what should have happened was the shooter should still be in jail for a felony charge but hey when actions have zero consequences this is what happens. Billsy the shooter would never have the opportunity to do this is we took our laws seriously. Comment?

 

Can you tell us more about his felony charge?

 

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

 

Can you tell us more about his felony charge?

 

Well from the article above it was carrying a concealed weapon.....what is your point? Criminals should not be held accountable got it.

[B-Man]

 

 

Anthony McRae details only GET worse -> Soros-backed prosecutor DISMISSED felony gun charge

 

Siemon is part of George Soros’s vast public safety network. She has participated in international criminal justice reform junkets with other “reform-minded” prosecutors like Philadelphia’s Larry Krasner (D.), Chicago’s Kim Foxx (D.), and Los Angeles’s George Gascón. She also backed radical San Francisco prosecutor Chesa Boudin (D.) ahead of a recall campaign that eventually ousted him from office last year.

 

McRae shouldn’t have ever been free to walk to the streets, let alone able to get a handgun.

 

This is the issue with gun violence, Democrats.

 

Not the gun, but progressive prosecutors letting criminals walk so they can pat themselves on the backs for being equitable or some other happy horse crap.

 

Meanwhile, people are losing their lives.

 

Her office instead let McRae plead guilty to a lesser misdemeanor gun charge, and he served a little more than a year on probation, which ended May 2021. He initially faced up to five years in prison for the felony charge, the @detroitnews first reported

 

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2023/02/14/anthony-mcrae-details-only-get-worse-soros-backed-prosecutor-dismissed-felony-gun-charge/

 

 

[BillStime]

Just now, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

Well from the article above it was carrying a concealed weapon.....what is your point? Criminals should not be held accountable got it.

 

Oh, and which party is passing laws making concealed carry possible?

 

NYPOST: States with relaxed concealed carry laws see spike in violent crime

 

 

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

44 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Oh, and which party is passing laws making concealed carry possible?

 

NYPOST: States with relaxed concealed carry laws see spike in violent crime

 

 

Keep defending criminals.....you're a complete joke. If he was held responsible for his past crimes the msu shooting would've never happened. But keep blaming the gop. How do you ignore posters im done with this dunce.