dezertbill Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Nate Hackett wil lmostlikely not last his second season, despite the valiant efforts by Marrone to prop him up with adding Hostler, Downing and SU underling Rob Moore. Imagine the chaffing on his neck as the noose gets tighter and the calls for his head get louder. At least Danny Crossman is safe no special assistants waiting in the wings to "assist" him and "offload" his responsibilites . One wonders where Hackett feels in this new arrangement. Probably like Caeser, atu Douglas! Yeah, there is no shot Hackett gets fired between now and week 17. It's noteworthy those that the Bills brought in so help to expedite Hacketts growth. It's obvious they see him as an up and coming talented OC (especially with his father's bio) and I think the Bills are just trying to get him to a more successful point faster than if he was doing it on his own, as he was last year. The Bills would have to lay a royal egg next season for Hackett to get fired. I don't see that happening. However, if the Bills offense does lay an egg...all bets are off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agardin Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Yeah, there is no shot Hackett gets fired between now and week 17. It's noteworthy those that the Bills brought in so help to expedite Hacketts growth. It's obvious they see him as an up and coming talented OC (especially with his father's bio) and I think the Bills are just trying to get him to a more successful point faster than if he was doing it on his own, as he was last year. The Bills would have to lay a royal egg next season for Hackett to get fired. I don't see that happening. However, if the Bills offense does lay an egg...all bets are off! I admire your optimism. The oftence has to be better.......right? If not then the OC will not be the only change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackInDaDay Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Yes it is. Hackett can't run the offense, be QB coach, AND teach WRs techniques. Wrong. As OC, it's Hackett's responsibility to oversee his position coaches work. He needn't get involved with teaching techniques, but he sure as hell must be sure that every player is prepared to execute his playbook and gameplan. That comes down to communicating his desires to his staff. If Hilliard's receivers weren't being instructed properly, then it was on Hackett to insist Hilliard get the job done to his liking. Same with the RB, TE, and OL coaches. I don't know if the job's too big for Hackett, but his lack of control over his unit has already taken one casualty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I agree 100 percent with this. two rookies and Thad. he did pretty well and adjusted well. Not his fault he lacked an actual qb. exactly I dont get how he was taking any heat last season, really no one had legitimate good points just bitchin to B word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 He led the team in catches. How can you even say that? Maybe he had a slow start, but I doubt Chandler and CJ and Stevie all regressed. I think we all know who the real problem was. Zero red zone impact; that's how. When a TE leads the team in catches, it better be because he's dominating the game, and not because your set of QBs constantly check down because nobody is open down the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Wrong. As OC, it's Hackett's responsibility to oversee his position coaches work. He needn't get involved with teaching techniques, but he sure as hell must be sure that every player is prepared to execute his playbook and gameplan. That comes down to communicating his desires to his staff. If Hilliard's receivers weren't being instructed properly, then it was on Hackett to insist Hilliard get the job done to his liking. Same with the RB, TE, and OL coaches. I don't know if the job's too big for Hackett, but his lack of control over his unit has already taken one casualty. The coaching staff was not structured as well as it should have been. You can blame Whaley , then Marrone then Nate then then the rest of them down to a player . Thats fair. They just got an education in the NFL as a new team , and we all sure hope they learned. By adding layers of coaches i would say they did. In the right places mind you. Hilliard's guys looked like idiots at times. Chandler rushed back from injury and was not able to play as he did last IMO. ACL y'know. no spring in his step , no jump no burst. Offseason might have him healed and a threat again. and maybe block better Daleks. Uh Oh !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Zero red zone impact; that's how. When a TE leads the team in catches, it better be because he's dominating the game, and not because your set of QBs constantly check down because nobody is open down the field. Hard to catch TD passes when your QB's don't throw them too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Hard to catch TD passes when your QB's don't throw them too much. Even match gentleman. Both are correct ! Carry on . the serve is yours Bandit : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firemedic Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Spread offense mixed in might do the trick. That helped CJ immensely in 2012.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 (edited) While I'm willing to give the guy a pass due to his rookie stupidity with several issues. He did have great difficulty's facing him with the QB's, the lack of production from his receivers, and the inadequate play of the O line. That line ranked 28th in pass protection, and it sure wasn't Hackett's fault he was left with Colin Brown, his backup in Sam Young, Erik Pears, and Doug Legursky on that line. That line was Marrone's fault for being out on the field and they regressed in several areas, including center. It was also Whaley's fault for allowing those bad players to take the field in the first place. That said the supposed coaching problems have been rectified, and so its up to those I mentioned to learn from their mistakes, and build that O line properly. The sack stats for each QB are interesting. Player Pass Attempts Sacks % of Attempts Notes EJ 306 28 9.2 Also 53 runs Lewis 157 18 11.5 24 runs Tuel 59 2 3.3 Small body of worl but started vs KC I know viewed this way, these stats don't take into account the opponents, the game plan/protections and how many times the QB ran when pressured but they show that EJ may have been slightly better than Lewis in avoiding sacks. Tuel's #'s are hard to compare due to limited playing time but considering he started vs KC, he did pretty good. Edited February 14, 2014 by LittleJoeCartwright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackInDaDay Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 The coaching staff was not structured as well as it should have been. You can blame Whaley , then Marrone then Nate then then the rest of them down to a player . Thats fair. They just got an education in the NFL as a new team , and we all sure hope they learned. By adding layers of coaches i would say they did. In the right places mind you. Hilliard's guys looked like idiots at times. Other than having a dedicated professional coach to work with the young QBs, the staff was structured as most NFL teams are. Potential head coaches must explain their staffing plans during the interview process. You're correct in saying that everyone signed off on the Hackett hire, but they don't share the blame when Hackett's direct reports aren't getting the job done. That buck stopped with the OC. The fact that Crossman's special teams were also suspect, can't sit well with the GM. Marrone better tighten things up, because the final buck stops with him. NFL players that suffer from a lack of recognition, understanding, and urgency will play poorly. All three are correctable, unless their play is a reflection of their coaching - not in spite of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Having a rookie OC leading a rookie QB and mostly inexperienced group of WR's wasn't the best idea. Having him also be the QB coach was even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Other than having a dedicated professional coach to work with the young QBs, the staff was structured as most NFL teams are. Potential head coaches must explain their staffing plans during the interview process. You're correct in saying that everyone signed off on the Hackett hire, but they don't share the blame when Hackett's direct reports aren't getting the job done. That buck stopped with the OC. The fact that Crossman's special teams were also suspect, can't sit well with the GM. Marrone better tighten things up, because the final buck stops with him. NFL players that suffer from a lack of recognition, understanding, and urgency will play poorly. All three are correctable, unless their play is a reflection of their coaching - not in spite of it. Kinda to Doc's point , they did not have a good balance of old school newer school , and i may be wrong but it seems they have added some " assistants" to properly bridge gaps and actually.. well assist with the big picture . Like Pagac kinda, and how he fits . But you are right. its on Marrone and Whaley. i think i said that too. Buck stops there . but they needed to address the whole chain and method. I think they did. How it turns out we don't know, but they did restructure the coaching configuration by addition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraq Vet Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Yeah... lets drop Hacket and start all over again....seriously? This is what we have been doing for years.... DUDE, that plan ain't working! Look at great teams... coaching is stable!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Young guys get to grow under certain head coaches. This is the case with Buffalo. Hackett will go through the off season evaluation and will, most likely, shore up his short comings. Having EJ and the Offensive healthy all season will be a plus to him. I am not enamored with his play calling last season but I will give him the benefit of the doubt. Since I am rooting to be successful next season, he will not get fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGUNBILLS Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 I am curious to see how his second year goes. It's similar to new pitchers in baseball. They usually do well the first half of the season, however the second half everyone knows what they have so it seldom goes well. If he can be innovative and throw different plays into the mix from last year, I think he stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 The sack stats for each QB are interesting. Player Pass Attempts Sacks % of Attempts Notes EJ 306 28 9.2 Also 53 runs Lewis 157 18 11.5 24 runs Tuel 59 2 3.3 Small body of worl but started vs KC I know viewed this way, these stats don't take into account the opponents, the game plan/protections and how many times the QB ran when pressured but they show that EJ may have been slightly better than Lewis in avoiding sacks. Tuel's #'s are hard to compare due to limited playing time but considering he started vs KC, he did pretty good. Hackett ran a version of a WCO, and the QB were supposed to get the ball out quickly. The QB's had problems, the WR's had problems, the O line had problems. So considering all that, Hackett did better then I thought he would. I was devoutly in his corner right up until the Chiefs game, as he lost me in that game with his handling of Jeff Tuel. Anyway, he was an NFL rookie coach who was clearly overloaded with three rookie QB's, and no QB coach. His excuses run out this off season tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackInDaDay Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Kinda to Doc's point , they did not have a good balance of old school newer school , and i may be wrong but it seems they have added some " assistants" to properly bridge gaps and actually.. well assist with the big picture . Like Pagac kinda, and how he fits . But you are right. its on Marrone and Whaley. i think i said that too. Buck stops there . but they needed to address the whole chain and method. I think they did. How it turns out we don't know, but they did restructure the coaching configuration by addition Shoring up the staff after their inefficiencies have been exposed doesn't speak well of Marrone's initial staff, or Brandon's, Nix's, and Whaley's acceptance of his choices. The fact is, players need a plan and the skills to execute the plan. Personally, I believe we've assembled a gifted receiving corp, but when one guy's crossing pattern drags a defender into the passing lane of his teammate's deep in route, an opportunity to make a play is lost. When such breakdowns occur over and over, you're lack of prepareness will cost you games. Winning teams are coached by men who are obsessed with being prepared. Such coaches will not allow the same mistakes to be made repeatedly. It is what it is. Hopefully this staff is capable of growing into the demands of winning. Many poked fun at Jauron's "it's not easy to win" quote, but when the outcome of games hinge on the near perfect execution of well designed plays called to take advantage of a predicted defense - and the QB can't complete that deep in route.. well, you lose more than you win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 (edited) Until they win something, virtually ANY criticism can be levied at the team, the staff, or the organization. "They all suck, prove me wrong" seems to be the theme on this board for many. Only time will tell, so whining about a rookie coaching staff, coaching young players, has gotten tiresome. Edited February 14, 2014 by Marauder'sMicro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endless Ike Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Hackett and Marrone were dead men walking the day they drafted Manuel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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