Rob's House Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 This topic is transparently retarded How is it retarded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 How is it retarded? Probably because, as usual, people are over-simplifying complexities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Stalin. What a seriously dumb question. I'd say it's hard to qualify what Stalin was? He killed idealistic communism, and turned it into dictatorship communism. Socialism and democracy are not incompatible. Look at Europe. Socialism/Communism do not have monopolies on evil... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I'd say it's hard to qualify what Stalin was? He killed idealistic communism, and turned it into dictatorship communism. Socialism and democracy are not incompatible. Look at Europe. Socialism/Communism do not have monopolies on evil... First of all, what the !@#$ is "idealistic communism", other than a utopian impossibility. All socialism is dictatorial. All of it, as it ultimately conscripts the population to it's will. And I will look to Europe. Western Europe specifically, as well as noting Stalin, Lenin, Franco, and even Mussolini and Hitler who both built their regimes utilizing socialist principals. We can look to Africa, and it's unfortunate ongoing love-affair with attrocity. We can similarly look to the South and Central American revolutionaries who blood stained their countries. Finally we can look to Asia and Mao and the Kim's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I'd say it's hard to qualify what Stalin was? He killed idealistic communism, and turned it into dictatorship communism. Socialism and democracy are not incompatible. Look at Europe. Socialism/Communism do not have monopolies on evil... Yes, was Stalin a Socialist, or was he all out for his own power and used the Socialist rhetoric to further that aim? When Hitler invaded he became a Russian Nationalist. And yet, looking at the Nazi plans for Russia, you can make a pretty good argument that for all the people Stalin killed before 1941, he did save MORE because of the effort to industrialize the Soviet Union that saved it from Hitler. Because Hitler was out to kill all the Russians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Yes, was Stalin a Socialist, or was he all out for his own power and used the Socialist rhetoric to further that aim? When Hitler invaded he became a Russian Nationalist. And yet, looking at the Nazi plans for Russia, you can make a pretty good argument that for all the people Stalin killed before 1941, he did save MORE because of the effort to industrialize the Soviet Union that saved it from Hitler. Because Hitler was out to kill all the Russians SameOldBills, I see your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 . All socialism is dictatorial. Absolute and total BS. Socialism is about democracy. The first step in socialism IS democracy, "giving" all the people the right to vote....for free!! Its funny how you see the Confederacy as good and Nelson Mandella as bad. Are you a racist? Just asking SameOldBills, I see your point. As if you even have a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Absolute and total BS. Socialism is about democracy. The first step in socialism IS democracy, "giving" all the people the right to vote....for free!! Socialism is not about democracy. It's about dismantling the business class, disolving private property, and replacing free exchange with violent force. Its funny how you see the Confederacy as good and Nelson Mandella as bad. Are you a racist? Just asking It's not that I'm pro-Confederacy. I'm not, because while not the central driving force of the Civil War, black slavery was an issue. What I am, is pro State's Rights; and anti-unitary executive. None of this has anything to do with Nelson Mandella, or socialism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I'd say it's hard to qualify what Stalin was? He killed idealistic communism, and turned it into dictatorship communism. Socialism and democracy are not incompatible. Look at Europe. Socialism/Communism do not have monopolies on evil... "Killed idealistic communism?" That's like saying he killed unicorns. Why don't you go back and read the post I was replying to - I wasn't criticizing socialism as much as I was the insipid puerile implication that socialism is all butterflies and rainbows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 First of all, what the !@#$ is "idealistic communism", other than a utopian impossibility. All socialism is dictatorial. All of it, as it ultimately conscripts the population to it's will. And I will look to Europe. Western Europe specifically, as well as noting Stalin, Lenin, Franco, and even Mussolini and Hitler who both built their regimes utilizing socialist principals. We can look to Africa, and it's unfortunate ongoing love-affair with attrocity. We can similarly look to the South and Central American revolutionaries who blood stained their countries. Finally we can look to Asia and Mao and the Kim's. how about South America, Pinochet for example? Oh, those were regimes put into place by the US. they don't count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 As if you even have a clue. Coming from the guy defending Stalin, no less. I'm just waiting for you to tell us that Hitler was just misunderstood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 (edited) how about South America, Pinochet for example? Oh, those were regimes put into place by the US. they don't count. What in the world makes you believe that I'm sympathetic towards any brutal dictator, totalitarian regime, or monarchy? Also, that's your defense? None of my examples matter because... well... "PINOCHET!!! PINOCHET LED A MILITARY JUNTA THAT INSTITUTED MONETARIST REFORMS!!!!!"? What the !@#$ is that all about? Edited December 6, 2013 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 (edited) Coming from the guy defending Stalin, no less. I'm just waiting for you to tell us that Hitler was just misunderstood. He did build roads and schools. So when you think about it... kill the jews. Edited December 6, 2013 by Jauronimo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Coming from the guy defending Stalin, no less. I'm just waiting for you to tell us that Hitler was just misunderstood. Stalin can be forgiven for his brutal killings because he built lots of tanks to defend the Russians against the Nazis. By building the tanks he saved more people than he killed. He should get the Nobel Peace Prize "posthumorously". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 He did build roads and schools. So when you think about, kill the jews. Yeah, I mean the Jews were kind of like the 1%, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Stalin can be forgiven for his brutal killings because he built lots of tanks to defend the Russians against the Nazis. By building the tanks he saved more people than he killed. He should get the Nobel Peace Prize "posthumorously". He doesn't deserve any credit for beating Hitler? Coming from the guy defending Stalin, no less. I'm just waiting for you to tell us that Hitler was just misunderstood. You are a complete idiot. So if someone said the cotton crop of 1856 was very profitable, would I be defending slavery...like tasker would be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 You are a complete idiot. So if someone said the cotton crop of 1856 was very profitable, would I be defending slavery...like tasker would be? I don't get why you oppose slavery; you seem to be okay with indentured servitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 I don't get why you oppose slavery; you seem to be okay with indentured servitude. I think you must sniff glue often Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 He doesn't deserve any credit for beating Hitler? You are a complete idiot. So if someone said the cotton crop of 1856 was very profitable, would I be defending slavery...like tasker would be? I think he had a little help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 He doesn't deserve any credit for beating Hitler? When a power-mad, totalitarian, mass murderer wins a victory over another power-mad, totalitarian, mass murderer, it doesn't absolve him of being a power-mad, totalitarian, mass murderer. You are a complete idiot. So if someone said the cotton crop of 1856 was very profitable, would I be defending slavery...like tasker would be? Source for me, please, my defense of slavery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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