Jerry Jone's Toupee Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Can anyone explain the automatic 1st down on that call? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 I think the rule is that if the hold occurs before the ball is kicked, it's like defensive holding on a pass-- 5 yards and automatic 1st down. Â If it happens after the kick, the the receiving team keeps the ball and its just assessed after change of possession (like a hold occurring during a return). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullim4 Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Prior to the punt = defensive holding which is a 5 yd penalty and automatic first down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 He held an eligible receiver apparently before the ball was kicked. 5 yards and automatic first down just like it would be if their offense was on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 It's stupid. On a punt, a hold won't prevent a first down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrLocke Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Summers deserved to be cut for that play. I was angry. The Aaron Williams play was a boneheaded penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnzane Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 He held an eligible receiver apparently before the ball was kicked. 5 yards and automatic first down just like it would be if their offense was on the field. Â The hold wasn't on a receiver. Nonetheless, it is still a holding call if a defensive player holds an offensive player regardless of position (if he doesn't have the ball). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Looked like it came after the kick though. Whatever. It was a lousy call to set THEM up for a TD, and we got one back with the PI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Looked like it came after the kick though. Whatever. It was a lousy call to set THEM up for a TD, and we got one back with the PI. I agree with the first part, but we didn't get one back on the PI. That was a legit penalty. This bogus holding call wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Summers deserved to be cut for that play. I was angry. The Aaron Williams play was a boneheaded penalty. Â Both were just stupid, stupid, stupid plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Dog Named Kelso Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 I believe since technically the team could fake from that formation that is why that call would result in a first down. I could be wrong but that is the only reason I could come up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 I agree with the first part, but we didn't get one back on the PI. That was a legit penalty. This bogus holding call wasn't. Â Agreed, that was a legit PI call. The holding call left me scratching my head, mostly because it was 4th and 18, that hold didn't prevent them from getting a 1st down. Â Odd call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Can someone confirm if John Conner is currently a FA? Not impressed with Summers' blocking, he was awful against a DB today (EJ's fumble play) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Agreed, that was a legit PI call. The holding call left me scratching my head, mostly because it was 4th and 18, that hold didn't prevent them from getting a 1st down. Â Odd call. Exactly. Whether the hold started before or after the kick was iffy at best. No reason to call that there. If anything, if it's that close, call it as after the kick and let them have 4th and 13. These ridiculous calls are what get fans and teams so upset. No reason to call that there and it seriously almost cost the Bills a win. The zebras need to think smarter on their feet. I know it's a tough job for them to be super accurate, but they need to improve. Absolute joke. If we lose that game, the season's in jeopardy, and because of the youth of this team across the board, I don't think that's an exaggeration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Can someone confirm if John Conner is currently a FA? Not impressed with Summers' blocking, he was awful against a DB today (EJ's fumble play) Â Yes, John Conner is a free agent but currently at large. Apparently still hiding from TheTerminator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 the refs are lucky the Bills won... or else they'd be dodging a bunch of stuff thrown at them as they left the parking lots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsinytown Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Yes, John Conner is a free agent but currently at large. Apparently still hiding from TheTerminator. Â No I think he's protecting his sister Sarah........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Good thread. Was wondering about this myself. The rule makes sense BTW. Will have to look at the tape and see if the hold (which was blatant BTW, he ripped off the player's helmet) was pre or post kick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 No I think he's protecting his sister Sarah........ Haha, my first thought. Was thinking the poster was making a Terminator joke or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kkspike Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 John Conner neck is toast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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