RevWarRifleman Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 How inaccurate can a guy with 68% completion rate last year and over 66% for his career be? Especially considering a lot of the throws were downfield... +1 on that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Why not? Trot his @ss out whenever we're up four touchdowns, with three minutes to go in the fourth... Let him run the clock out, and we'll call that "Tuel Time". -Everyone will LOVE IT. It also protects our starting QB from cheap shots. -Puh-layoffs B!tches! and even more importantly, it gives the fans a great reason to grunt at high volumes like a bunch of wild apes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted May 15, 2013 Share Posted May 15, 2013 and even more importantly, it gives the fans a great reason to grunt at high volumes like a bunch of wild apes! I sure hope not. -Always hated it when Tim Allen did that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 (edited) How inaccurate can a guy with 68% completion rate last year and over 66% for his career be? Especially considering a lot of the throws were downfield... I've watched a few of the Florida State game vids where they only show the plays where EJ runs or passes. From what I see, he is accurate on the short passes, which were a great majority of his passes. Florida State ran a dink 'n dunk offense. Just to test my observations I watched another one tonight. It was vs Maryland in 2012. He threw 5 long passes. He was 1 for 5. 1 was for a TD nicely thrown. 1 was under-thrown. 2 were over thrown with 1 of those being a pick. And 1 was in traffic and the WR didn't hold on to it. I'm not so sure this kind of performance is going to scare NFL Ds to not stack the box and respect the long pass. When he gets in I expect Ds to blitz the peejeebers out of him until he learns to beat it. The ole rookie treatment. I'm not trying to dis the guy, just making an objective observation. I hope for nothing but the best for him and the Bills. I just think this is a part of his game (long pass) that must improve if he is to be our "franchise QB". Edited May 16, 2013 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 I've watched a few of the Florida State game vids where they only show the plays where EJ runs or passes. From what I see, he is accurate on the short passes, which were a great majority of his passes. Florida State ran a dink 'n dunk offense. Just to test my observations I watched another one tonight. It was vs Maryland in 2012. He threw 5 long passes. He was 1 for 5. 1 was for a TD nicely thrown. 1 was under-thrown. 2 were over thrown with 1 of those being a pick. And 1 was in traffic and the WR didn't hold on to it. I'm not so sure this kind of performance is going to scare NFL Ds to not stack the box and respect the long pass. When he gets in I expect Ds to blitz the peejeebers out of him until he learns to beat it. The ole rookie treatment. I'm not trying to dis the guy, just making an objective observation. I hope for nothing but the best for him and the Bills. I just think this is a part of his game (long pass) that must improve if he is to be our "franchise QB". However, you're wrong. http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/65051/why-bills-drafted-ej-manuel-in-first-round He can throw the football vertically down the field Manuel improved his completion percentage on passes of 20 yards or longer in his junior and senior seasons. In 2012, Manuel completed 49.2 percent of his passes of 20 yards or longer, the highest completion percentage of any of Scouts Inc.’s top six quarterback prospects. He’s accurate Manuel completed more than two-thirds of the passes he threw in his career. In his last three seasons, 81 percent of his passes were on target (passes that were not overthrown, underthrown or wide of his receiver), comparable numbers to Smith (83.4) and Barkley (80.3). Stats are sometimes misleading but these are advanced stats. Just his basic stats show otherwise…. how is it that a guy who has a lifetime completion average of 67% and a yards per attempt of a whopping 8.6 yards be inaccurate as a downfield thrower? Answer: He can't. Your sample size was too small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 However, you're wrong. http://espn.go.com/b...-in-first-round He can throw the football vertically down the field Manuel improved his completion percentage on passes of 20 yards or longer in his junior and senior seasons. In 2012, Manuel completed 49.2 percent of his passes of 20 yards or longer, the highest completion percentage of any of Scouts Inc.’s top six quarterback prospects. He’s accurate Manuel completed more than two-thirds of the passes he threw in his career. In his last three seasons, 81 percent of his passes were on target (passes that were not overthrown, underthrown or wide of his receiver), comparable numbers to Smith (83.4) and Barkley (80.3). Stats are sometimes misleading but these are advanced stats. Just his basic stats show otherwise…. how is it that a guy who has a lifetime completion average of 67% and a yards per attempt of a whopping 8.6 yards be inaccurate as a downfield thrower? Answer: He can't. Your sample size was too small. Yeah, I was going to say that. But if you look at that Maryland game, he was 2-5 in accuracy on the long ball, which is 40%, and still pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 (edited) Yeah, I was going to say that. But if you look at that Maryland game, he was 2-5 in accuracy on the long ball, which is 40%, and still pretty good. I realize I looked at small sample size in the 3 games I watched. It just looked to me that his long balls were not that accurate in all 3 games I saw. One game he completed one, but the WR had to stop and come back and jump up and catch with the DB on him. Sure counted as a completion on his stats, but really it looked like one of those 2 picks Fitz threw vs the Giants a few years ago. I know stats, blah, blah, blah. But I'm just going by watching and seeing what he does. I'm not saying he can't throw the long ball, just that I'm not sold he can. If your going to go by stats alone, you can't say he was 2-5 on long balls vs Maryland. Stat sheet says 1 for 5. Go BILLS !! Edited May 17, 2013 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Yeah, I was going to say that. But if you look at that Maryland game, he was 2-5 in accuracy on the long ball, which is 40%, and still pretty good. BTW, I just did a search on Andrew Luck's college completion rate on passes of 20+ yards and found this: Completion Pct 20+ Yard Throws Notable QB Last 2 College Seasons 2011 2012 Robert Griffin 26.1% 50.7% Russ Wilson 35.8% 45.6% Andrew Luck 41.7% 44.3% Edit: I can't get that to format properly. Basically the first column is 2011 and the 2nd is 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucethomas34 Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Nice grab by Kaufman http://t.co/3SKYhIv9M9 I love me some Kaufman...Great Hands, good speed, big and can run routes! Super Bowl MVP 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 (edited) BTW, I just did a search on Andrew Luck's college completion rate on passes of 20+ yards and found this: Completion Pct 20+ Yard Throws Notable QB Last 2 College Seasons 2011 2012 Robert Griffin 26.1% 50.7% Russ Wilson 35.8% 45.6% Andrew Luck 41.7% 44.3% Edit: I can't get that to format properly. Basically the first column is 2011 and the 2nd is 2012. 2011 2012 Robert Griffin 26.1% 50.7% Russ Wilson 35.8% 45.6% Andrew Luck 41.7% 44.3% Edited May 16, 2013 by Nanker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 I sure hope not. -Always hated it when Tim Allen did that. depends on the grunts. the grunt of frustration was good, the grunt of being pleased with oneself was ok. but my favorite was the question grunt. maybe it was just being that age at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 2011 2012 Robert Griffin 26.1% 50.7% Russ Wilson 35.8% 45.6% Andrew Luck 41.7% 44.3% Show off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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