JStranger76 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 just a little something to keep in mind when watching the draft folks........Guys are gonna be taken WAY higher than the "experts" predict. Get ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Jay Clocker went at #8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JStranger76 Posted April 23, 2013 Author Share Posted April 23, 2013 Yep, more fuel for the fire San Jose! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Both of those guys went way before they should have gone. They are good examples of what can happen when you reach. Ponder would have been a nice second round pick. At 12, too high. Locker was picked, as I recall, at 8 -- the same pick we have. I bet if the Titans had to do it all over again, they would not have picked him at 8. I just hope we do not have the same feeling about whom we pick (whoever it is) a year from now, two years from now etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 (edited) Both of those guys went way before they should have gone. They are good examples of what can happen when you reach. Ponder would have been a nice second round pick. At 12, too high. Locker was picked, as I recall, at 8 -- the same pick we have. I bet if the Titans had to do it all over again, they would not have picked him at 8. I just hope we do not have the same feeling about whom we pick (whoever it is) a year from now, two years from now etc.. Why was 12 too high? I dont get these points of view. Ponder has become their starter...they got a starting QB at #12 and he has done a solid job and could continue to improve this year. Once the pads are on and you hit the field, where you were drafted becomes irrelevant. If they would have waited until the 2nd, they would not have gotten Ponder. So then where would they be? Maybe they would have drafted someone else who would have been a total bust...or went with a guy on their roster that would have not allowed them to even be competitive. Who knows... As of right now, I don't think Minny regrets taking Ponder at 12 as he has shown some potential and they are looking to build around him not replace him. This isnt like before where they are stuck with him because of some absurd rookie contract like Russell or Sanchez got. The fact they want to add more players rather than look for a new QB says they are happy with his development...so I ask, how was taking him at 12 too high? The only people who care about where a guy "should" go are mock draft police who have less than 10% of the insight on the guy as a team studying him daily. What about Locker? Many thought he should go late first or early second, yet he went like 8 overall to Tenn. I would bet big money Tenn could care less that many feel that was too early as they love the kid and he has a lot of potential too. Why do you think Tenn would do it different? They are very high on him and they are another team not even sniffing around getting another QB. Even when they signed Fitz, they told him flat out he will not be competing to start and he is only there to be a backup and to help assist developing Locker. I mean where did you get this idea from that Tenn doesnt like Locker? If the Bills see a guy they WANT who they know won't be there in the 2nd, then they HAVE to take him at 8. Who cares what the Kipers or arm chair GM's think about where he "should" go. These same experts say certain guys are "locks" to be this or that every year and are wrong more than 80% of the time. They get paid to be wrong the majority of the time...unlike GM's, they don't pay for it with their jobs when they do...they just get more viewers. Edited April 23, 2013 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Akili Smith went #3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Why was 12 too high? I dont get these points of view. Ponder has become their starter...they got a starting QB at #12 and he has done a solid job and could continue to improve this year. Once the pads are on and you hit the field, where you were drafted becomes irrelevant. If they would have waited until the 2nd, they would not have gotten Ponder. So then where would they be? Maybe they would have drafted someone else who would have been a total bust...or went with a guy on their roster that would have not allowed them to even be competitive. Who knows... As of right now, I don't think Minny regrets taking Ponder at 12 as he has shown some potential and they are looking to build around him not replace him. This isnt like before where they are stuck with him because of some absurd rookie contract like Russell or Sanchez got. The fact they want to add more players rather than look for a new QB says they are happy with his development...so I ask, how was taking him at 12 too high? The only people who care about where a guy "should" go are mock draft police who have less than 10% of the insight on the guy as a team studying him daily. Did Minnesota win last year because of Ponder's awesome play? Or was it because AP had a season for the ages in which essentially carried the team on his back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 For the record...there is NO order in which the draft "should" fall. All these fake experts release mocks based on their non professional opinion. None of it has any relevance at all on how teams view or value certain players whos boards were put together by professional football talent evaluators over a LONG period of time with a wealth of more information. Yet, the mock police always think they know better...cracks me up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I dunno Alpha. I bet Minny is secretly disappointed with Ponder so far. And also the Titans with Clocker. These are legitimate cautionary tales. There are legit morals to these stories, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 (edited) Did Minnesota win last year because of Ponder's awesome play? Or was it because AP had a season for the ages in which essentially carried the team on his back? Please show me where I said Ponder carried the team... Just because Ponder didnt go out and throw as much as Rodgers or put up his stats does NOT mean Minny isnt happy with their QB. This is the exact kind of irrational response that I am talking about. Do you see Minny looking to build around Ponder and give him more weapons? I do. Do you see Minny bringing QB's in for pre draft workouts? I dont, and they have 2 first round picks. Do you see Minny doing anything at all that suggests even the slightest they are dissapointed in Ponder? Again, no. So once again, please explain to me how Minny made a mistake taking Ponder at 12 if Minny has a full time starter with upside that they are happy with that was good enough to help them win games last year. And I dont care if they had Tom Brady on that team, they were still gonna feed the rock to AP who dominated the league last year. You dont have to have a Drew Brees, Manning, Rodgers, Brady to win in this league. A good starter with a talented run game and good D is more than enough to win and win the SB. Edited April 23, 2013 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 just a little something to keep in mind when watching the draft folks........Guys are gonna be taken WAY higher than the "experts" predict. Get ready. In hindsight, with the lockout year and uncertainty as to who teams were going to trot out at QB after the lockout, teams had to get a guy, somebody, anybody to start just in case. FA hadn't happened yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I dunno Alpha. I bet Minny is secretly disappointed with Ponder so far. And also the Titans with Clocker. These are legitimate cautionary tales. There are legit morals to these stories, IMO. I respectively disagree as their is literally zero evidence of any of that and a ton of evidence of their confidence in their young QB's, especially Locker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Jay Clocker went at #8. So, Gene Nosesmith at #8? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I respectively disagree as their is literally zero evidence of any of that and a ton of evidence of their confidence in their young QB's, especially Locker. Well in rebuttal, I would say that his play speaks for itself. As a rookie you could excuse him being the 31st rated passer. This past season he was ranked 21st. Fitz was 17th. Stats aside, Ponder has not looked good when I've seen him. But yes, Minny has not given any indication that I'm aware of that they're unhappy with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 (edited) Well in rebuttal...going from 31st to 21st is quite the improvement in his first real season as a starter, especially when the kid had hardly nothing to throw too and an inconsistent run game in CJ-2yds. Point is, these guys have shown improvement and potential and are still developing. Both teams seem quite happy with them and are not looking to make a change but to add more passing weapons. So, I just don't see them taking them (at least at this point) is considered a mistake just because they went higher than arm chair GM's with no real insight on them felt they should go. Edited April 23, 2013 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 (edited) Both of those guys went way before they should have gone. They are good examples of what can happen when you reach. Ponder would have been a nice second round pick. At 12, too high. Locker was picked, as I recall, at 8 -- the same pick we have. I bet if the Titans had to do it all over again, they would not have picked him at 8. I just hope we do not have the same feeling about whom we pick (whoever it is) a year from now, two years from now etc.. Completely agree You don't pick a QB at 8 just bc u need one Edited April 23, 2013 by Max997 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Well in rebuttal...going from 31st to 21st is quite the improvement in his first real season as a starter, especially when the kid had hardly nothing to throw too and an inconsistent run game in CJ-2yds. Point is, these guys have shown improvement and potential and are still developing. Both teams seem quite happy with them and are not looking to make a change but to add more passing weapons. So, I just don't see them taking them (at least at this point) is considered a mistake just because they went higher than arm chair GM's with no real insight on them felt they should go. I think you and SJF are both correct. Ponder has shown improvement. By no stretch of the imagination do i think Minny would say 'yep Ponder is going to be the next Brett Farve' . I do think Minny is now saying we need to give him some weapons and see if he can be our guy for the next 10 years. He will get this year and next to prove that. Russell Wilson going out and having the type of year he had did not help Ponder by any means. But then again you could say Wilson had a better team around him and the perfect coach for a rookie qb to excel with. In the end there are so many variable that go into any play excelling. And honestly if someone says well the took him to early and started him to quick so he could not handle the pressure and thus failed, do you honestly think someone with that mental makeup would have been a great qb? QB play is all about pressure. Give me a guy who loves getting picked in the first and wants the job and also will understand he will have some great games and some bad games to start his career. This guy will learn from his mistakes and make himself better. Going from 31 to 21 shows Ponder is improving. Now if he jumps up in the top 13 this year, then Minny knows that are on to something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 THIS GUY: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 FSU fans, tell me how Manuel compares to Ponder, not as a results-oriented player in college but as a pro prospect. FWIW, I like Manuel as a prospect and wouldn't mind the Bills drafting him. I never wanted Ponder and think he is very average at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Who needs perspective anyway. The problem with perspective is that there is always another one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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