Kirby Jackson Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 I think that the last team to pick QBs in the 1st in back to back years was Dallas in the 80's. Carolina took a 2nd and then a 1st. Marrone and Whaley are linking themselves to this guy if they take him at 8. He is going to get more than 1 season. That is the whole reason I don't want a guy at 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsaikotic Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 If you have to trade ahead of the teams in the early 2nd so be it. You don't take the 50th best talent at 8 at the most important position. At 8 you are stuck with them for multiple seasons even if they are terrible. If you get them later (even in the 2nd) you do not feel as married to them. I do not trust this QB class. I do not feel that we will be missing out on our guy. I think 2-3 of these guys will end up as good starters but I have no idea which ones. I don't want the next Blaine Gabbert and I think that you may very well end up with him this year. Give me someone in the 2nd that has just as good a chance (and may even be the same guy that you were taking at 8). If he is not the 1 of the couple that will be good take 1 of the guy's next year that is safer (IMO). I have to disagree...I would not want to waste a pick just to trade up in the second to get a guy you could have taken at #8 so you could not "FEEL" married to him...if the guy is a bust and you got him at #8 then you picked bad and lost 1 pick..all be it a first round pick but just a pick..if he ends up good, then nobody remembers where you picked him...but if you give away a 3rd and 5th to move up to get the same guy and he busts you lost your whole draft...if he doesn't bust then you gave away extra picks to get a guy you could have gotten with just 1 pick... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 I have to disagree...I would not want to waste a pick just to trade up in the second to get a guy you could have taken at #8 so you could not "FEEL" married to him...if the guy is a bust and you got him at #8 then you picked bad and lost 1 pick..all be it a first round pick but just a pick..if he ends up good, then nobody remembers where you picked him...but if you give away a 3rd and 5th to move up to get the same guy and he busts you lost your whole draft...if he doesn't bust then you gave away extra picks to get a guy you could have gotten with just 1 pick... Then I am cool waiting until 41. I like next years class better. If you take a guy at 8 you have him at least 2 years. No team is going to take a guy at 8 and then another 1st next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 I think that the last team to pick QBs in the 1st in back to back years was Dallas in the 80's. Carolina took a 2nd and then a 1st. Marrone and Whaley are linking themselves to this guy if they take him at 8. He is going to get more than 1 season. That is the whole reason I don't want a guy at 8. It's true that historically it's been a rare occurrence. On the other hand, with the rookie wage scale, the ever-increasing emphasis on QB, and the increased volatility of NFL HC and GM jobs, I think that the practice of drafting first round QBs in consecutive (or near-consecutive) years will increase. The Gabbert decision last year might lend greater ammo to the idea that the Jags should have entered the QB derby last year. And do you think Jeff Fisher is having any second thoughts about squatting on Sam Bradford instead of trading him and taking Luck or RGIII? How about Weeden in Cleveland? If the new Browns braintrust doesn't like him why wouldn't they draft a QB this year? Like I said it hasn't happened much in the past but I could definitely see it happening more often in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 It's true that historically it's been a rare occurrence. On the other hand, with the rookie wage scale, the ever-increasing emphasis on QB, and the increased volatility of NFL HC and GM jobs, I think that the practice of drafting first round QBs in consecutive (or near-consecutive) years will increase. The Gabbert decision last year might lend greater ammo to the idea that the Jags should have entered the QB derby last year. And do you think Jeff Fisher is having any second thoughts about squatting on Sam Bradford instead of trading him and taking Luck or RGIII? How about Weeden in Cleveland? If the new Browns braintrust doesn't like him why wouldn't they draft a QB this year? Like I said it hasn't happened much in the past but I could definitely see it happening more often in the future. I agree with this. I just don't think that the Bills are going to be the pioneers with something like this. This regime (i am including Whaley) would get killed if their first pick was a failed QB and they turned around and tried again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 I agree with this. I just don't think that the Bills are going to be the pioneers with something like this. This regime (i am including Whaley) would get killed if their first pick was a failed QB and they turned around and tried again. Well hopefully they won't have to try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInSouthBuffalo Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 I'd like to see the Bills trade back and get extra picks, but I think the Jets are going to be a problem. If they have #9 and #13 (Revis trade) I would think one of those picks will be a QB for them. This is not the time to fool around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Well hopefully they won't have to try again. Amen to that!! I hope that the get a superstar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsaikotic Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 I agree with this. I just don't think that the Bills are going to be the pioneers with something like this. This regime (i am including Whaley) would get killed if their first pick was a failed QB and they turned around and tried again. I agree this regime will be killed for a failed Qb, but I don't think they would be killed for trying again next year...now if they try again and fail and try again and fail..then yes..kill em all and start over from the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 I agree this regime will be killed for a failed Qb, but I don't think they would be killed for trying again next year...now if they try again and fail and try again and fail..then yes..kill em all and start over from the top. Torture would also be justified at that point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 But could it all be a smokescreen? After Buddy's responses on Manuel, he touches his nose. Is it a subconscious tell? YOU BE THE JUDGE Great catch!!! I've never been more convinced it's Manuel than I am now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheddar's Dad Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Regarding the concept of rookie QBs being "not ready to start." Most of the guys who are rated at the top are pretty much as ready as they'll ever be. With some you'd like to see a bit more polish but not to the point where you wouldn't ease them in as rookies. A good organization puts a rookie QB in a position to succeed regardless of how raw they are. There are many examples of this. In 2004 Big Ben won NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year although he didn't start the season opener. The Steelers devised an offense for him whereby he only had to read half the field. I would certainly believe that the Bills would draft a QB that they envisioned starting if not on opening day, very soon afterwards. As such I would hope that they would be able to evaluate the rookie QB and if necessary draft another one next year if they see fit to replace him or have him compete with a different prospect. Big Ben had a dominant O-line and the Bus. This suggests to me Buffalo should draft a Guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Remember guys Buffalo has the three year cycle. We allow mistakes the first year the second year on losing they spend alot of money for the fan base the 3rd year they look desperate. So whats another first round mistake in a series. I would suppose that whether we draft any of the guys mentioned including Nassib that they all have a shot. Thank goodness we have someone backing them up thats name is not Tyler Thigpen. Go for it Bills. if they cant trade back and or get antsy with the dialogue from trade partners just do IT! we fans will get on board. we always do because we are Bills Fans. still going to be a fun draft for us i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheddar's Dad Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Take your shot on a QB this year. If he sucks, you're in position to take another one next year. You're nothing in this league without a QB. Keep taking em until you find one If you can't protect that QB, all of the sacks and inaccuate throws he makes creates the impression he is a bad QB. So you draft one again next years and all of the sacks and inaccurate throws he makes causes you to think he's a bad QB. So, you draft one again the following year and all the the sacks...... ?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 If you can't protect that QB, all of the sacks and inaccuate throws he makes creates the impression he is a bad QB. So you draft one again next years and all of the sacks and inaccurate throws he makes causes you to think he's a bad QB. So, you draft one again the following year and all the the sacks...... ?????? Dad this is where the coaches come in and hopefully make the right decisions. was it the line play or was it the qb ?\ can we scheme for each deficiency/ asset and improve ?For us i really think we have to trust in these new guys to get a good handle on this and make the adjustments in the draft and then udfa etc. I would be surprised they are sitting on there hands about the guard situation. By the way we are not talking about Fitzie are we ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernMan Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Didn't read the entire thread - the first several posts were enough. The Bills need a starting caliber QB, but this is a very weak QB draft. I'll be shocked if they waste that valuable # 8 pick on any of the QBs when they know there are lower risk picks that have a far better chance of making an impact. As much as all of you are wishing for a QB, the defense was a greater factor in the won-loss column last year. If there's a LB that looks like a #8 pick, hoping they take him. What good is a rookie QB going to do for a team with so many other needs? And then what if the Bills suck again in 2013 and wind up with a top 7 pick ?(certainly very possible) At that point, they either by-pass a better prospect (assuming next year's class is better, as has been forecast) or they pick that QB in the top 7. If that happens, they've spent 2 years of first round pick on a QB and still have major holes in the receiving corp and defense. I say, take the best prospect that can be an impact player, and hope Kolb or somebody can hold down the fort and the Bills can look for the QB in FA or draft next year. Linebacker would be the smart choice IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 22, 2013 Author Share Posted April 22, 2013 The one thing that has made me re-think this strategy is if the Bills really do have two different guys they want. Let's say it's Nassib and Barkley. If, by the 8th pick, only Geno has been taken, then I say try to trade back. After the Jets, there really isn't a team that needs a QB after us, and they have way more holes than we do. So, even if they steal a QB from us, we could probably wait until the 32nd pick to grab our guy without much competition. I'm still on the Nassib or Manuel bandwagon, but if they think Barkley is their guy then so be it. I just am concerned with guys from USC and players that were projected as 1st overall, but then couldn't keep that up in the college ranks, so what makes you think he can step up in the NFL? But I don't pretend to know enough about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 (edited) I agree with the OP. It's because the QB class is so weak that the Bills will pull the trigger at #8. If they wait, the ones they like will all ready be gone by round 2. If any here think the Jets are not jockeying for a QB now that they have 2 1st rounders, you're nuts. They need a QB worse than us and may even try to trade up 1 or 2 spots ahead of Buffalo to get him. OK, maybe they won't trade up, but they do now pose a problem with the extra picks. Edited April 22, 2013 by Rockinon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Barkley does not ave the arm strength needed for Buffalo weather. I am not sure any of this draft class really has that plus the accuracy needed in the NFL. If they take a QB at 8 likely to grab Nassib. However, my guess is that they don't take a QB in this spot. No offense but I hate this knock. This whole Buffalo is a blizzard every game is just wrong. 905 of the Bills games are in good to decent weather. And guess what if the weather is crappy? Most QBs in the world are going to perform crappy. Peyton Manning is awful in bad weather. Would you not take him? Aaron Rodgers had questions about his arm strength. He's pretty decent in GB. And I agree with the great point. I get the "value" point but it's moot with QBs. Would people have complained if we took Wilson or Kaepernick in the 1st rounds of their draft because that's not where Kiper had them rated? If you want to wait on a QB and hope he falls, then you shouldn't draft him because you don't think that strongly on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 I disagree. I don't think that you should ever reach on a player (especially a QB). That is the 1 position that you want as little risk as possible. Being wrong at QB is much worse than being wrong with someone like Maybin. What do 2 of the top 3 teams drafting have in common? They were both wrong with top 10 QBs in the last handful of years. The Jags and Raiders are in terrible positions because of it. I would rather trade back or wait until later. I think that next years class is safer. If you are wrong with a 2nd rounder you would not shy away from a 1st the next year (Carolina just did it). If you are wrong at 8 the guy is going to get at least 2 seasons and we miss out on next years group. I agree with this. I'd rather not take any QB than be wrong this year, esp. with the bevy of QB talent coming out next year. I'd rather stockpile picks in next years draft to move up like the Redskins and take Johnny Football or Bridgewater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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