New York to ban youth football?

[KDIGGZ]

I think this is dumb. These little guys don't run fast enough to have the high speed collisions that they have in the older leagues. Have these people ever watched pee wee football? The kids just run around in circles and then fall down on each other. I look back at those days with good memories. We played because we loved the game and we wanted to be like our favorite NFL stars. It was fun.

 

If they said they wanted to ban high school football then maybe I could understand that. I hated it. Our coach was a jergoff, a real old school kind of coach. We would have drills like the "Eye Opener" where the RB runs along the line and then picks a hole between the cones and the LB would meet him in the hole and take him on resulting in some pretty big helmet to helmet collisions, which was completely encouraged by the coach and if he thought your tackle was too weak he would grab your facemask and scream in your face using curse words I didn't even know existed at the time. We would also do "open field tackling" drills which were pretty much 2 players running full speed at each other to see who was the toughest. I'm pretty sure I had more than a few concussions doing those types of drills, which was pretty much the norm. A concussion was just called getting lit up and you would shake it off and get right back in there. I broke every one of my fingers and they would just tape it up and put me back on the field. God forbid I would miss 1 practice, the coach would have layed into me like no other and probably kicked me off the team. They thought they were making you into a man but it honestly seemed more like abuse looking back at it.

 

With that said, I hope my kids don't play football. But if they hear my experiences and still want to then it's their decision and I hope they have the option. NY is turning into a nanny state. They took away our guns and now they want our football. What's next?

[BillsCelticsAngelsBama]

well compared to football in other states, NY youth/school football sucks mightily anyway, so does it really matter??? haha

 

law will never pass, so no worries

I didn't know they played football in N.Y. I wonder if in the future we can be arrested for playing tackle football in our backyards

[mrags]

I didn't know they played football in N.Y. I wonder if in the future we can be arrested for playing tackle football in our backyards

im not a parent so I don't know about this but maybe someone can answer for me here.

 

When I was a kid, I could ride my bike, many times wrecklessly throughout the neighborhood. Without a helmet. There were no helmet laws when I was growing up, but I believe there are now. Can any parent here tell me what the penalty is for having a child riding a bike without a helmet if caught?

 

I'm sure an arrest isn't in your future for backyard football, but a fine certainly is.

[CodeMonkey]

Doctors also say kids should exercise every single day and floss twice daily. Should we mandate that too?

They kinda already are. Gym class in school. But you aren't really comparing flossing to getting concussions from playing a silly game are you?

[Just in Atlanta]

They kinda already are. Gym class in school. But you aren't really comparing flossing to getting concussions from playing a silly game are you?

 

Calling gym class a mandate is a big stretch.

 

I'm comparing your view that you want more government in your house to that of mandating hygiene...or soda intake...or anything that's good for you...or pick your poison. My next door neighbor's kid busted his eye on the stupid backyard trampoline. Should we ban that too? We can go on and on with these dangerous activities. Is the mom of trampoline boy deserving of a fine?

 

You're cherry picking what someone says cause you agree with the role of government in people's lives. Doctors say a lot of things. They overprescribe painkillers. And antibiotics. And antidepressants. They say everything is dangerous. Of course they're going to say football is dangerous for a kid. Because it is. That doesn't mean we have to listen. It's called being a human, and, hopefully, an American.

 

My doctor told me not to drink more than two drinks a day. I don't listen. My doctor told me, as a kid, to not eat so many sweets. I didn't listen. Should my mom had been mandated to not allow me to eat so many Nerds and Sweet Tarts?

 

You clearly don't think this game silly with 5,147 posts.

[CodeMonkey]

Calling gym class a mandate is a big stretch.

 

I'm comparing your view that you want more government in your house to that of mandating hygiene...or soda intake...or anything that's good for you...or pick your poison. My next door neighbor's kid busted his eye on the stupid backyard trampoline. Should we ban that too? We can go on and on with these dangerous activities. Is the mom of trampoline boy deserving of a fine?

 

You're cherry picking what someone says cause you agree with the role of government in people's lives. Doctors say a lot of things. They overprescribe painkillers. And antibiotics. And antidepressants. They say everything is dangerous. Of course they're going to say football is dangerous for a kid. Because it is. That doesn't mean we have to listen. It's called being a human, and, hopefully, an American.

 

My doctor told me not to drink more than two drinks a day. I don't listen. My doctor told me, as a kid, to not eat so many sweets. I didn't listen. Should my mom had been mandated to not allow me to eat so many Nerds and Sweet Tarts?

 

You clearly don't think this game silly with 5,147 posts.

I don't know if they ever passed it or not, but at one time NYS or the Feds were talking about limiting the size of fountain soft drinks that you could buy. I think all of those kinds of things should not be legislated. You can't mandate common sense, it just doesn't work.

 

About the nerds and sweettarts and soft drinks ... not legislate. Yet another common sense issue. If all that sugar makes you do is drop dead earlier then fine. But if it makes you diabetic or worse by 30 and raises my health insurance costs while they keep you alive for the next 30 years then maybe your Mother should have exercised some parental control back then. But parental control, not legislation.

 

Football is silly compared to brain injuries in kids.

 

I don't think there should be a law forbidding kids to play tackle football. It should be up to the parents. But I can see why some would want to legislate it.

Personally I don't let my kids play for the obvious reasons, but I also feel that this is one of the common sense areas that should not be legislated.

If some choose to let their kids take that risk then so be it. Their decision does not affect my kids so it is none of my concern (unless their kids become a burden on the health care system I suppose).

Edited February 14, 2013 by CodeMonkey

[eme123]

NYS citizens can't make this type of decision themselves. They don't know any better. Research that has been shared by the media over the past few months just proves that football is too dangerous for the common man. Look what football did to Junior Seau. Football must be outlawed at once. Large Sodas, Styrofoam, and Football need to be wiped from the face of the earth.

 

Next on the agenda is Ice Cream stands. NBC/CBS etc report that Ice Cream creates brain freeze which in turn could damage some brain cells. Gov Cuomo has his pen in position. Write the law

[Sestak 70]

This legislation would ban kids from under age 11 from playing organized youth tackle football; all so they would be safe from potential concussion injuries. Here is my question, should children under 10 be allowed to participate in any of the following:

 

Bicycling Yes No

Playground Activities Yes No

Baseball Yes No

 

All of these activities have higher concussion rates than football for the age group.

 

Don't like that...then try these: Percentage of all Emergency Room visits for injuries that were TBIs {concussions}

Horseback Riding (15.3%), Ice Skating (11.4%), Golf (11%), All Terrain Vehicle Riding (10.6%), Sledding (10.2%), Hockey (9.7%), Dirt Bike Riding (8.6%), Bicycling (8.1%), Amusement Attractions (8%), Go Cart Racing (7.9%), Playground Activities (7.9%), Baseball (7.95), Soccer (7.7%), Swimming (7.3%), Football (7.2%)

 

It looks to me that we have a whole lot of banning to do! The fact is that youth football is a distant cousin to the NFL, College and even high school. Teams for the most part are organized around ages and weights; the organization provides the equipment {average cost of a complete set of football equipment is over $300, helmets alone are close to $200 and must be re-certified after three years of use). Many leagues require their coaches to be certified not only in the sport of football but also in youth sports where they are taught how to teacher the sport in a safe, positive, fun manner for the participants.

 

If the assemblyman was truly concerned about our children, he would find ways to require positive procedures such as USA Football Head Up Tackling, required concussion protocols, coaching back ground checks and adoption of National Standards such as those published by the National Alliance For Youth Sports.

[RyanC883]

Leave it to a NY politician to think up some thing this foolish ??????

 

Someone in the CA legislature is pissed off they didn't think of this absurd law first!

Edited February 15, 2013 by RyanC883

[Malazan]

ehhhh...

 

im about as anti-government as you can get without being taken away in the night, but this seems like an adequete use of governmental resources.

 

pee wee kids cant make an informed decision.

 

should be flag or 2 hand touch until let's say, freshman year of high school? or maybe the varsity team could be tackle?

 

i guess i just dont see whats wrong with outlawing something among 6 year olds?

 

Where does it stop? Maybe they shouldn't be allowed fast food until they're older. That's proven to be dangerous and unhealthy.

[K-9]

This legislation would ban kids from under age 11 from playing organized youth tackle football; all so they would be safe from potential concussion injuries. Here is my question, should children under 10 be allowed to participate in any of the following:

 

Bicycling Yes No

Playground Activities Yes No

Baseball Yes No

 

All of these activities have higher concussion rates than football for the age group.

 

Don't like that...then try these: Percentage of all Emergency Room visits for injuries that were TBIs {concussions}

Horseback Riding (15.3%), Ice Skating (11.4%), Golf (11%), All Terrain Vehicle Riding (10.6%), Sledding (10.2%), Hockey (9.7%), Dirt Bike Riding (8.6%), Bicycling (8.1%), Amusement Attractions (8%), Go Cart Racing (7.9%), Playground Activities (7.9%), Baseball (7.95), Soccer (7.7%), Swimming (7.3%), Football (7.2%)

 

It looks to me that we have a whole lot of banning to do! The fact is that youth football is a distant cousin to the NFL, College and even high school. Teams for the most part are organized around ages and weights; the organization provides the equipment {average cost of a complete set of football equipment is over $300, helmets alone are close to $200 and must be re-certified after three years of use). Many leagues require their coaches to be certified not only in the sport of football but also in youth sports where they are taught how to teacher the sport in a safe, positive, fun manner for the participants.

 

If the assemblyman was truly concerned about our children, he would find ways to require positive procedures such as USA Football Head Up Tackling, required concussion protocols, coaching back ground checks and adoption of National Standards such as those published by the National Alliance For Youth Sports.

 

This seems to contradict much of my own research the last several years. I'd be interested in what studies you are basing this on. I may need to re-evaluate my own information. Thanks.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[CodeMonkey]

This legislation would ban kids from under age 11 from playing organized youth tackle football; all so they would be safe from potential concussion injuries. Here is my question, should children under 10 be allowed to participate in any of the following:

 

Bicycling Yes No

Playground Activities Yes No

Baseball Yes No

 

All of these activities have higher concussion rates than football for the age group.

 

Don't like that...then try these: Percentage of all Emergency Room visits for injuries that were TBIs {concussions}

Horseback Riding (15.3%), Ice Skating (11.4%), Golf (11%), All Terrain Vehicle Riding (10.6%), Sledding (10.2%), Hockey (9.7%), Dirt Bike Riding (8.6%), Bicycling (8.1%), Amusement Attractions (8%), Go Cart Racing (7.9%), Playground Activities (7.9%), Baseball (7.95), Soccer (7.7%), Swimming (7.3%), Football (7.2%)

 

It looks to me that we have a whole lot of banning to do! The fact is that youth football is a distant cousin to the NFL, College and even high school. Teams for the most part are organized around ages and weights; the organization provides the equipment {average cost of a complete set of football equipment is over $300, helmets alone are close to $200 and must be re-certified after three years of use). Many leagues require their coaches to be certified not only in the sport of football but also in youth sports where they are taught how to teacher the sport in a safe, positive, fun manner for the participants.

 

If the assemblyman was truly concerned about our children, he would find ways to require positive procedures such as USA Football Head Up Tackling, required concussion protocols, coaching back ground checks and adoption of National Standards such as those published by the National Alliance For Youth Sports.

This seems to contradict much of my own research the last several years. I'd be interested in what studies you are basing this on. I may need to re-evaluate my own information. Thanks.

 

GO BILLS!!!

You also need to make sure the percentages referenced are per capita. For example, bicycling at 8.1% being higher makes sense when talking about raw percentages because far far far more people ride bikes far more often than those that play football. I suspect the numbers listed above are raw and not per capita.

[Sestak 70]

This seems to contradict much of my own research the last several years. I'd be interested in what studies you are basing this on. I may need to re-evaluate my own information. Thanks.

 

GO BILLS!!!

 

K-9 my data has come from the following CDC report: "Nonfatal Traumatic Brain Injuries Related to Sports and Recreation Activities Among Persons Aged ≤19 Years — United States, 2001–2009" Vol 60.#39, published October 7, 2011.

http://www.cdc.gov/m..._cid=mm6039a1_w

 

Now I cited my reference, this is combined with over 18 years of coaching and administrative experience in youth football and certification as a Certified Youth Sports Administrator. Now show me yours?

Edited February 16, 2013 by Sestak 70

[Kemp]

yes 5 year olds should be allowed to drive, if they can pass a road tet

 

and yes 3 year olds should be allowed to have alcohol - if they are old enought to breathe, they are old enough to booze!!

 

 

but seriously....what personal freedoms have we lost? well in new york we are currently losing a historically protected constitutional freedom, we have lost numerous freedoms in the name of national safety (read the Patriot Act), we are losing the right to privacy more and more each day (not just by our own choices such as facebook and other social networking sites where we share way to much - but to things such as publishing pistol permit holders addresses in the newspaper, companies getting access to phone numbers and shopping records, etc.)....im not saying all or some are good or bad, simply stating they are freedoms we are losing, and losing more every day, all in the name of "safety"...some of these changes may in fact have made us safer or are making us safer, and some may be over stepping their bounds

 

we are still one of the only countries that continues to punish people for crimes against themselves (possession/use of drugs for instance) - not to mention, the drug/substance that ACTUALLY kills more people than everything else combined is perfectly legal and funds every major political campaign (Tobacco/cigarettes)

 

this country is, and has been, changing for some time now at the hands of the government- and not necessarily to the benefit of the people who they are supposed to be representing

 

(side note: I still love America and all of our freedoms....simply making observations)

I confess that I agree with almost all of your points, but I still think there is a happy medium between personal freedom and restrictions on a society in order to keep order. To the central point of this thread, there is little question that concussions and long-term brain damage are on the rise at an alarming rate. The studies that have recently been published make it starkly clear that a lot of young boys are sustaining damage that is causing problems that must be dealt with. However it is dealt with is unimportant. What is important is that it does get dealt with, or we run the risk of losing football, something none of us wants.

[John Adams]

 

 

K-9 my data has come from the following CDC report: "Nonfatal Traumatic Brain Injuries Related to Sports and Recreation Activities Among Persons Aged ≤19 Years — United States, 2001–2009" Vol 60.#39, published October 7, 2011.

http://www.cdc.gov/m..._cid=mm6039a1_w

 

Now I cited my reference, this is combined with over 18 years of coaching and administrative experience in youth football and certification as a Certified Youth Sports Administrator. Now show me yours?

 

How about the studies re accumulation of smaller hits having a relationship to CTE? That's the football issue.

 

To all the backyard players, your head was not getting slapped knocked and rung play after play so its really not relevant to the discussion.

 

(Don't think this issue should be legislated. Do think that parents should steer their kids away from tackle football.)

 

 

[K-9]

K-9 my data has come from the following CDC report: "Nonfatal Traumatic Brain Injuries Related to Sports and Recreation Activities Among Persons Aged ≤19 Years — United States, 2001–2009" Vol 60.#39, published October 7, 2011.

http://www.cdc.gov/m..._cid=mm6039a1_w

 

Now I cited my reference, this is combined with over 18 years of coaching and administrative experience in youth football and certification as a Certified Youth Sports Administrator. Now show me yours?

 

I wasn't calling you out nor questioning your credentials. Just asking for some context. Thanks for the reference. I'll look forward to reading it.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[HOUSE]

We have been talking about this for years, the attorneys well eventually kill any sport involving liability.

 

No kind of contact in any sport. Its just a matter of time. It already started with the near elimination of the Kickoff return.

[Al Cowlings]

well compared to football in other states, NY youth/school football sucks mightily anyway, so does it really matter??? haha

 

law will never pass, so no worries

 

I was thinking the same thing. NY maybe the worst football st,ae out there. Who really cares if they ban it.

[San Jose Bills Fan]

I was thinking the same thing. NY maybe the worst football st,ae out there. Who really cares if they ban it.

 

Probably people who would like to see their children play youth football.

 

Also, those kids who want to play youth football.

 

Probably also those people who want to coach and officiate youth football and of course those people who like to watch youth football.

 

Glad I could increase your comprehension of the world around you.

[Al Cowlings]

 

 

Probably people who would like to see their children play youth football.

 

Also, those kids who want to play youth football.

 

Probably also those people who want to coach and officiate youth football and of course those people who like to watch youth football.

 

Glad I could increase your comprehension of the world around you.

 

Yeah you are a genius.