In-A-Gadda-Levitre Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 The place is blockaded apart from slight easing of passage through the Rafa border (bordered with Egypt). thanks, so how do you interpret the Al Jazerra statement about opening ALL border crossing? wishful thinking or sign of things to come? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 thanks, so how do you interpret the Al Jazerra statement about opening ALL border crossing? wishful thinking or sign of things to come? Not a chance in hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Meanwhile in bizarro world, nothing is achieved but they celebrate? http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=292967 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 The Palestinians plight remind me of the American Indians situation, fight and get slaughtered by superior technology sue for peace and get all the good land stolen from you and slowly get marginalized into oblivion - who know 100 years from now maybe they'll strike back with casinos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In-A-Gadda-Levitre Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Not a chance in hell. Meanwhile in bizarro world, nothing is achieved but they celebrate? http://www.jpost.com....aspx?id=292967 ya, both of these are seriously messed up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 That didn’t take long — Obama reverses himself on Israel A true man of his word until he goes back on it. We gave Obama credit for his initial reaction to the conflict between Israel and Hamas, namely that Israel “has the right to defend itself” against attack and that the Israelis will make their own decisions about their “military tactics and operations.” We recognized, however, that Obama would likely back away from this line if the conflict dragged on for an extended period of time. As it turned out, Obama reversed himself almost immediately. The Washington Post says as much in this report called “With Hillary Clinton’s dash to Middle East, Obama signals a shift in his approach.” Stating the obvious, the Post observes: Clinton’s peacemaking trip is Obama’s clearest signal yet to Israel that it should begin to pull back its campaign against militants in the Gaza Strip. The administration knows that with Clinton on the ground trying to resolve the crisis, it will be harder for Netanyahu to make good on his threat to invade Gaza. Obama’s real position, then, is that he will attempt to dictate the tactics and operations through which Israel exercises the right to defend itself. And Obama’s efforts to dictate constitute a constraint on Israel’s right to defend itself. But if, due to American constaints, things go badly for Israel, Obama can always have Candy Crowley read his original expansive but meaningless statement of support. http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/11/that-didnt-take-long-obama-reverses-himself-on-israel.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 http://www.powerline...f-on-israel.php Let it go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 (edited) That's all fine and dandy, but war, IMO, should be fought between two armies. Israel constantly blames Iran for the bottle rockets Hamas has launched and yet they don't attack Iran for doing so. BECAUSE THEY'RE COWARDS. Not exactly bottle rockets, eh? http://freebeacon.co...sudan-surprise/ Sudan has played a key role in arming Hamas militants with sophisticated Iranian-made rockets, experts said. The Israeli Defense Forces’ (IDF) principal objective in Gaza is to rid Palestinian terrorists of sophisticated Iranian-produced rockets that are capable of striking deep into Israel’s heartland, including Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. These rockets originated in Sudan and were then smuggled into Gaza with Iran’s help, sources said. The existence of these advanced Fajr-5 rockets reveals the deepening ties between Iran and its terrorist proxies in Gaza and Sudan, where the rockets were housed before shipment. “To put it simply, it was Iranian-made Fajr-5s, imported via Sudan, that prompted this war,” said Jonathan Schanzer, vice president for research at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies. “Iran’s fingerprints are all over this.” Hamas terrorists in Gaza were provided around 100 Fajr-5 rockets by Iran. The rockets are capable of travelling nearly 50 miles, putting both Jerusalem and Tel Aviv within their reach. These missiles differ drastically from the crude rockets typically fired by Hamas terrorists. Edited November 22, 2012 by 3rdnlng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Not exactly bottle rockets, eh? http://freebeacon.co...sudan-surprise/ Sudan has played a key role in arming Hamas militants with sophisticated Iranian-made rockets, experts said. The Israeli Defense Forces’ (IDF) principal objective in Gaza is to rid Palestinian terrorists of sophisticated Iranian-produced rockets that are capable of striking deep into Israel’s heartland, including Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. These rockets originated in Sudan and were then smuggled into Gaza with Iran’s help, sources said. The existence of these advanced Fajr-5 rockets reveals the deepening ties between Iran and its terrorist proxies in Gaza and Sudan, where the rockets were housed before shipment. “To put it simply, it was Iranian-made Fajr-5s, imported via Sudan, that prompted this war,” said Jonathan Schanzer, vice president for research at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies. “Iran’s fingerprints are all over this.” Hamas terrorists in Gaza were provided around 100 Fajr-5 rockets by Iran. The rockets are capable of travelling nearly 50 miles, putting both Jerusalem and Tel Aviv within their reach. These missiles differ drastically from the crude rockets typically fired by Hamas terrorists. Once again, Reality vs Rhetoric. You love to accept and embrace the rhetoric. Those were bottle rockets. They caused bottle rocket type damage. If they weren't many more people would've died. BTW. I'm referring to the rockets that actually hit. Not the ones taken out by the Iron Dome missle defense system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 The place is blockaded apart from slight easing of passage through the Rafa border (bordered with Egypt). That's not entirely true... Rafa, is the only crossing from Egypt, by that nations choice btw, but there are numerous crossings from Israel. The word "blockade" when used, usually refers to the Israeli Blockade by sea, the most likely way to smuggle arms in to Hamas. But even with that, once inspected, if a ship has no weapons aboard, it is allowed to dock in Gaza. Even during "events" like this, Israel ALWAYS leaves one border crossing open, into Gaza, to allow humanitarian aid to cross, again, after inspection for weapons.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Once again, Reality vs Rhetoric. You love to accept and embrace the rhetoric. Those were bottle rockets. They caused bottle rocket type damage. If they weren't many more people would've died. BTW. I'm referring to the rockets that actually hit. Not the ones taken out by the Iron Dome missle defense system. I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Is it ok for them send the more sophisticated rockets because the Iron Dome system will protect them? If a weaker person than you was punching you and you were able to block their punches would it then not be right to smack them in the nose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In-A-Gadda-Levitre Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Once again, Reality vs Rhetoric. You love to accept and embrace the rhetoric. Those were bottle rockets. They caused bottle rocket type damage. If they weren't many more people would've died. BTW. I'm referring to the rockets that actually hit. Not the ones taken out by the Iron Dome missle defense system. so Grads and Qassams are bottle rockets? If you're saying that Iron Dome is picking these up, partly, but not all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Is it ok for them send the more sophisticated rockets because the Iron Dome system will protect them? If a weaker person than you was punching you and you were able to block their punches would it then not be right to smack them in the nose? No. What I'm trying to say is the word "sophisticated" and those rockets shouldn't be mentioned together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 That's not entirely true... Rafa, is the only crossing from Egypt, by that nations choice btw, but there are numerous crossings from Israel. The word "blockade" when used, usually refers to the Israeli Blockade by sea, the most likely way to smuggle arms in to Hamas. But even with that, once inspected, if a ship has no weapons aboard, it is allowed to dock in Gaza. Even during "events" like this, Israel ALWAYS leaves one border crossing open, into Gaza, to allow humanitarian aid to cross, again, after inspection for weapons.... Read my post above with the link to the whole article explaining how they are getting their weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Once again, Reality vs Rhetoric. You love to accept and embrace the rhetoric. Those were bottle rockets. They caused bottle rocket type damage. If they weren't many more people would've died. BTW. I'm referring to the rockets that actually hit. Not the ones taken out by the Iron Dome missle defense system. Your still here??? "Bottle rocket damage" in your pea brain? Look at the border area!!! Most of these rockets fired, are Quassams!!! No steering!!! Heck, some not even a proper launch vehicle, because their set up so hastily around civilians, before they can run away... Then fired, hoping they cross into Israel before coming back down, and a lot of them don't causing more poster crap for your friends... On Israels side, they know all this... Yes, there are towns in striking distance, but look at the empty fields!!! They are empty BECAUSE of these ridiculous, and predictable, attacks!!! THAT is why there aren't as many Israeli deaths as you want during these escalations. Meanwhile, your buddies try to stack civilians around their launch bunkers, to enhance the political war of collateral damage... Word.... NOTHING that goes BOOM!!!! is a minor, threat to anyone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Once again, Reality vs Rhetoric. You love to accept and embrace the rhetoric. Those were bottle rockets. They caused bottle rocket type damage. If they weren't many more people would've died. BTW. I'm referring to the rockets that actually hit. Not the ones taken out by the Iron Dome missle defense system. They're field artillery rockets in the 6-14" range. Those aren't "bottle rockets," that's closer to "battleship shells". The only reason more people aren't dying is because, as unguided field artillery rounds, they're only slightly less accurate than your posts about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 so Grads and Qassams are bottle rockets? If you're saying that Iron Dome is picking these up, partly, but not all. Their weapons are a joke. Period. The ones that landed and the ones that got deflected. If they weren't, the media would be constantly shoving that footage in our faces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Once again, Reality vs Rhetoric. You love to accept and embrace the rhetoric. Those were bottle rockets. They caused bottle rocket type damage. If they weren't many more people would've died. BTW. I'm referring to the rockets that actually hit. Not the ones taken out by the Iron Dome missle defense system. That's insane logic. If I threaten your life and every day fire shots at you with a pistol so you buy body armor you hope will protect you do you now just let me go on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 (edited) Your still here??? "Bottle rocket damage" in your pea brain? Look at the border area!!! Most of these rockets fired, are Quassams!!! No steering!!! Heck, some not even a proper launch vehicle, because their set up so hastily around civilians, before they can run away... Then fired, hoping they cross into Israel before coming back down, and a lot of them don't causing more poster crap for your friends... On Israels side, they know all this... Yes, there are towns in striking distance, but look at the empty fields!!! They are empty BECAUSE of these ridiculous, and predictable, attacks!!! THAT is why there aren't as many Israeli deaths as you want during these escalations. Meanwhile, your buddies try to stack civilians around their launch bunkers, to enhance the political war of collateral damage... Word.... NOTHING that goes BOOM!!!! is a minor, threat to anyone... You're name is a typo, right? You were supposed to have a "P" there instead of a "C". That's insane logic. If I threaten your life and every day fire shots at you with a pistol so you buy body armor you hope will protect you do you now just let me go on? That's not what I'm saying. Not at all. Did you see the video of the Israelis taking out that car that had Hamas members in it? Well that's the proper way to handle the situation. Everything else is just sheer brutality. Edited November 22, 2012 by NoJustice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In-A-Gadda-Levitre Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 (edited) Their weapons are a joke. Period. The ones that landed and the ones that got deflected. If they weren't, the media would be constantly shoving that footage in our faces. they're shooting BM-21 Grad missiles that are 122mm, carry 6.4Kilos of explosive, and are spit out of a 40-tube launcher. It was built by the Russians in the 60s, but definitely not a joke. Iron Dome is popping some, maybe a lot, but to poo-poo this type of rocket as some kinda homemade bottle shows you really don't know much about this particular thing... Edited November 22, 2012 by In-A-Gadda-Levitre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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