3rdnlng Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 The other new lib talking point......Romney is a hardcore right winger. Anything else you wanna try and throw up on the wall? Their buzz word is "extremist". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted October 11, 2012 Author Share Posted October 11, 2012 The other new lib talking point......Romney is a hardcore right winger. Anything else you wanna try and throw up on the wall? I will give it to Mitt Romney...his campaign strategy of "ignore everything I say, I'm for whatever you want me to be for" seems to be working brilliantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 (edited) Their buzz word is "extremist". Let me ask you, and I'm not here to claim Mitt is some demon-like man ready to transform the country into the hunger games. Is Washington a game of parties? What part of GOP push does Mitt repudiate and what makes you think it/when has he shown that. Then, how is Mitt somehow uniquely equipped to install a bipartisan cooperative culture in Washington? I'm not using this against him, b/c no 1 person can. Sadly, not even the President with the power of the bully pulpit. But you aren't going to sit down with those "across the aisle" and say "I want to cut taxes 20%, continue to increase military spending like always, cut PBS and planned parenthood, repeal Obamacare and replace with "something" that doesn't address people who can't get coverage b/c of preexisting injuries, and on and on"...and then say "I was Governor of Mass...so I'm bartisan so lets do it." Edited October 11, 2012 by TheNewBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Let me ask you, and I'm not here to claim Mitt is some demon-like man ready to transform the country into the hunger games. Is Washington a game of parties? What part of GOP push does Mitt repudiate and what makes you think it/when has he shown that. Then, how is Mitt somehow uniquely equipped to install a bipartisan cooperative culture in Washington? I'm not using this against him, b/c no 1 person can. Sadly, not even the President with the power of the bully pulpit. But you aren't going to sit down with those "across the aisle" and say "I want to cut taxes 20%, continue to increase military spending like always, cut PBS and planned parenthood, repeal Obamacare and replace with "something" that doesn't address people who can't get coverage b/c of preexisting injuries, and on and on"...and then say "I was Governor of Mass...so I'm bartisan so lets do it." Is this the "He's the same as Obama so what's the point?" argument? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted October 11, 2012 Author Share Posted October 11, 2012 (edited) Their buzz word is "extremist". I will remember this every-time I see the terms "mainstream media spin" and "Chicago politics".... I guess the new mantra is "we are sick of hearing this, so it can't be true!" Edited October 11, 2012 by Buftex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Is this the "He's the same as Obama so what's the point?" argument? No b/c the truth (regardless of the propaganda some on the right like to spew) is that Obama, and Romney if he were elected, would like to try and work this way. It won't happen. B/c the problem isn't the President. The problem is the parties. So anytime someone says that b/c Mitt was Governor of Mass so he somehow can fix partisanship in Washington...they sound (respectfully speaking) like a huge idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 How about when it comes to his tax cuts. There was a pretty damn big nevermind there, supply side nuts on the right must be wondering what the !@#$ he's talking about. And btw on these "social issues" he's still not saying never mind...he saying never mind on tv then releasing "never mind the never mind" pressers...same w/ preexisting injuries etc... Someone chalked it all up earlier to Obama having positions last time that he didn't deliver on (like every elected official ever), this is not that. This is not being straight up about the positions you take in the first place. It's transparent. I know it's just a talking point to you guys that Mitt is somehow doing this, but it's right there...for all to see. He clarified his position on tax cuts saying that there will across-the-board cuts, but that he'll eliminate loopholes and deductions so that "the rich" won't and shouldn't expect to see huge cuts. People seemed to think that the rich were going to get a huge tax cut as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 He clarified his position on tax cuts saying that there will across-the-board cuts, but that he'll eliminate loopholes and deductions so that "the rich" won't and shouldn't expect to see huge cuts. People seemed to think that the rich were going to get a huge tax cut as well. That's a clarification? And supply side GOPers expect this to spur growth how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 He clarified his position on tax cuts saying that there will across-the-board cuts, but that he'll eliminate loopholes and deductions so that "the rich" won't and shouldn't expect to see huge cuts. People seemed to think that the rich were going to get a huge tax cut as well. Gee, I wonder where they got that notion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 I will give it to Mitt Romney...his campaign strategy of "ignore everything I say, I'm for whatever you want me to be for" seems to be working brilliantly. Politics is a copycat business and Romney has adopted the strategy of the last man elected President Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 (edited) Politics is a copycat business and Romney has adopted the strategy of the last man elected President Being purposefully misleading about the policies you run on during the election is not a strategy Presidents use a whole lot in the past brother. It will be interesting to see what Ryan does though. B/c whether you love or hate him...that guy knows what he advocates and says it. Can he do so tonight following the last debate? If he is allowed to, Biden can highlight the last debate. If can't, he can't be himself and won't do well. Edited October 11, 2012 by TheNewBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Let me ask you, and I'm not here to claim Mitt is some demon-like man ready to transform the country into the hunger games. Is Washington a game of parties? What part of GOP push does Mitt repudiate and what makes you think it/when has he shown that. Then, how is Mitt somehow uniquely equipped to install a bipartisan cooperative culture in Washington? I'm not using this against him, b/c no 1 person can. Sadly, not even the President with the power of the bully pulpit. But you aren't going to sit down with those "across the aisle" and say "I want to cut taxes 20%, continue to increase military spending like always, cut PBS and planned parenthood, repeal Obamacare and replace with "something" that doesn't address people who can't get coverage b/c of preexisting injuries, and on and on"...and then say "I was Governor of Mass...so I'm bartisan so lets do it." Why are you dragging me into your discussion with Tom? If I wanted to enter that conversation, I would, but it deserves more time/energy than I have right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 The band is still leading in the polls. Ohio by 6! Your boy Mitt can't win without the Buckeye state Actually, the RCP Ohio average is Obama +1.3%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 That's a clarification? And supply side GOPers expect this to spur growth how? It leads to a small tax cut on the rich, the jobs creators. And businesses get their taxes cut more, Obamacare gets repealed, businesses start hiring again, and more taxes are taken-in from the greater number of people working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 It leads to a small tax cut on the rich, the jobs creators. And businesses get their taxes cut more, Obamacare gets repealed, businesses start hiring again, and more taxes are taken-in from the greater number of people working. So when he goes on Sunday shows and 60 minutes and says he isn't cutting taxes on the rich, he just means he isn't cutting the full 20% on the rich. And the 3% of small business effected (idk about this number but they appeared to have stipulated to this in the last debate) will decide to hire enough people they apparently need (even though they otherwise wouldn't hire them) to combine with "loopholes" to offset $4.8T (plus $2T military increase if it suits your fancy)? This is the what we're going with to fix that debt clock at the convention? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 It leads to a small tax cut on the rich, the jobs creators. And businesses get their taxes cut more, Obamacare gets repealed, businesses start hiring again, and more taxes are taken-in from the greater number of people working. You act as if that has worked before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck_dodgers007 Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Actually, the RCP Ohio average is Obama +1.3%. RCP is pretty right leaning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 RCP is pretty right leaning Lord are you dumb........ . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 Btw 3% alluded to above not correct, but the point stands....these tax cuts will pay for themselves (and an additional $2T) b/c they always do and always have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 11, 2012 Share Posted October 11, 2012 So when he goes on Sunday shows and 60 minutes and says he isn't cutting taxes on the rich, he just means he isn't cutting the full 20% on the rich. And the 3% of small business effected (idk about this number but they appeared to have stipulated to this in the last debate) will decide to hire enough people they apparently need (even though they otherwise wouldn't hire them) to combine with "loopholes" to offset $4.8T (plus $2T military increase if it suits your fancy)? This is the what we're going with to fix that debt clock at the convention? Will it work? I can't say for sure. Is what Barry has been doing and wants to continue doing working? Hell no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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