FleaMoulds80 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 So if Welker went to SD now, or Denver, or NO or GB, they wouldn't know how to use him? He would suddenly no be able to catch the ball from the slot? Sure he'd catch passes with those teams but I highly doubt he'll have the kinda success he's having with the Patriots. The Patriots were the ones that practically discovered his abilities and used it to their benefits. Thats why they forked over a 2nd rounder for him. ANY team could've had him for a 2nd rounder or 1st. That's my point. If the Patriots hadn't traded for him and not given him the opportunity, Welker would be another white possession WR like Stokely. He was camp fodder before the Patriots made him who he is today. You honestly think if we traded our 2nd round pick for Welker in 2007, and had him play for our team, he'd have 100 receptions, 1000 yds and close to 10 TDs? Sorry if I don't smoke the same stuff you're puffin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Sure he'd catch passes with those teams but I highly doubt he'll have the kinda success he's having with the Patriots. The Patriots were the ones that practically discovered his abilities and used it to their benefits. Thats why they forked over a 2nd rounder for him. ANY team could've had him for a 2nd rounder or 1st. That's my point. If the Patriots hadn't traded for him and not given him the opportunity, Welker would be another white possession WR like Stokely. He was camp fodder before the Patriots made him who he is today. The Patriots offered a 2nd round pick for camp fodder? I seriously doubt that. He had almost 70 receptions his last year in Miami. And he hurt the Pats* on occasion. He put himself on Belichick's radar. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FleaMoulds80 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 (edited) The Patriots offered a 2nd round pick for camp fodder? I seriously doubt that. He had almost 70 receptions his last year in Miami. And he hurt the Pats* on occasion. He put himself on Belichick's radar. GO BILLS!!! http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=2788847 Yea you're right. I was wrong. Patriots never traded a 2nd and a 7th rounder for a Camp Fodder. This is what I'm talking about. If the Bills did this, you'd be calling for someone's head and there's NO WAY Welker would be what he is today. Patriots pulled the trigger. Patriots made him a household name. If Welker was so AMAZING, why didn't we trade our 2nd for him? Why didn't ANY OTHER team make the move? Edited August 14, 2012 by FleaMoulds80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=2788847 Yea you're right. I was wrong. Patriots never traded a 2nd and a 7th rounder for a Camp Fodder. This is what I'm talking about. If the Bills did this, you'd be calling for someone's head and there's NO WAY Welker would be what he is today. Patriots pulled the trigger. Patriots made him a household name. If Welker was so AMAZING, why didn't we trade our 2nd for him? Why didn't ANY OTHER team make the move? Welker's situation was effected by his status as a restricted free agent. Perhaps that's one reason why other teams didn't get in on him? Then again, we don't know how many teams Welker did talk to, either. Another reason might be the contract that NE* signed him to. Maybe teams thought Welker wanted too much? If Miami wouldn't have matched the offer that NE* was going to make, they would have received a 2nd rounder anyway as compensation for losing their restricted FA. I'm not sure where you're going with the "if the Bills did this..." argument. Although I think it's safe to say that Brady has had a lot to do with Welker's success and we haven't had a QB like him since Kelly, I wouldn't have minded the Bills doing it at all if they really thought Welker was a guy that could help. I give credit to NE* for specifically targeting the slot receiver they wanted. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Sure he'd catch passes with those teams but I highly doubt he'll have the kinda success he's having with the Patriots. The Patriots were the ones that practically discovered his abilities and used it to their benefits. Thats why they forked over a 2nd rounder for him. ANY team could've had him for a 2nd rounder or 1st. That's my point. If the Patriots hadn't traded for him and not given him the opportunity, Welker would be another white possession WR like Stokely. He was camp fodder before the Patriots made him who he is today. You honestly think if we traded our 2nd round pick for Welker in 2007, and had him play for our team, he'd have 100 receptions, 1000 yds and close to 10 TDs? Sorry if I don't smoke the same stuff you're puffin. Actually, no. As you see, I didn't list the Bills amongst those teams. Our OC doesn't use the slot like that. http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=2788847 Yea you're right. I was wrong. Patriots never traded a 2nd and a 7th rounder for a Camp Fodder. This is what I'm talking about. If the Bills did this, you'd be calling for someone's head and there's NO WAY Welker would be what he is today. Patriots pulled the trigger. Patriots made him a household name. If Welker was so AMAZING, why didn't we trade our 2nd for him? Why didn't ANY OTHER team make the move? Because we weren't paying attention? Because we reserve our 2nd round picks for guys like Troup and Hardy and Roscoe and.... Poz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 So if Welker went to SD now, or Denver, or NO or GB, they wouldn't know how to use him? He would suddenly no be able to catch the ball from the slot? I suspect the meaning is that most don't use the number of quick passes to the slot to the degree bellicheat does... You probably did name the few offenses that might do something similar with him. I don't expect he would get many touches in Baltimore of frisco. I wouldn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 I suspect the meaning is that most don't use the number of quick passes to the slot to the degree bellicheat does... You probably did name the few offenses that might do something similar with him. I don't expect he would get many touches in Baltimore of frisco. I wouldn't Quick slants to your slot receiver are a staple for any spread formation. The middle of the field invites it and it's the higher percentage pass. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Quick slants to your slot receiver are a staple for any spread formation. The middle of the field invites it and it's the higher percentage pass. GO BILLS!!! You would think... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Gun10 Posted August 15, 2012 Author Share Posted August 15, 2012 so Easley had a good catch against Gilmore today in practice does this mean he gets a roster spot or is he still on the bubble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInUticaTampa Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 so Easley had a good catch against Gilmore today in practice does this mean he gets a roster spot or is he still on the bubble Why are you talking about Easley in what is clearly a Wes Welker thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Booger Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 so Easley had a good catch against Gilmore today in practice does this mean he gets a roster spot or is he still on the bubble Not only a roster spot but also a spot on the Bills Wall of Fame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 so Easley had a good catch against Gilmore today in practice does this mean he gets a roster spot or is he still on the bubble Not only a roster spot but also a spot on the Bills Wall of Fame Why must you be so consistently negative about Easley? You continue to berate posters for being optimistic about his potential to be a contributor to this offense. Do you have something personal against him? Did he cut you off in traffic or something? Easley is a guy with great athletic ability who, because if serious injuries, remains to be unproven in regular season action. Why can't you just root for the kid, and let the cards fall where they may. Maybe he makes the roster and surprises us all....maybe he gets cut, never catches on in the NFL, and is a complete disappointment. My point is...neither you or I (or anyone else on this board) can predict what will happen with Easley. I, personally, will continue to suspend my disbelief and hope for the best. Perhaps you should take that stance rather than being so negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Why must you be so consistently negative about Easley? You continue to berate posters for being optimistic about his potential to be a contributor to this offense. Do you have something personal against him? Did he cut you off in traffic or something? Easley is a guy with great athletic ability who, because if serious injuries, remains to be unproven in regular season action. Why can't you just root for the kid, and let the cards fall where they may. Maybe he makes the roster and surprises us all....maybe he gets cut, never catches on in the NFL, and is a complete disappointment. My point is...neither you or I (or anyone else on this board) can predict what will happen with Easley. I, personally, will continue to suspend my disbelief and hope for the best. Perhaps you should take that stance rather than being so negative. Because Booger is a "realist" DIdnt you know? When posters go onto the board and do nothing but post negative bs they are "realists".....and everyone else is drinking the cool aid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Gun10 Posted August 16, 2012 Author Share Posted August 16, 2012 Why must you be so consistently negative about Easley? You continue to berate posters for being optimistic about his potential to be a contributor to this offense. Do you have something personal against him? Did he cut you off in traffic or something? Easley is a guy with great athletic ability who, because if serious injuries, remains to be unproven in regular season action. Why can't you just root for the kid, and let the cards fall where they may. Maybe he makes the roster and surprises us all....maybe he gets cut, never catches on in the NFL, and is a complete disappointment. My point is...neither you or I (or anyone else on this board) can predict what will happen with Easley. I, personally, will continue to suspend my disbelief and hope for the best. Perhaps you should take that stance rather than being so negative. Isn't this what this board about people making 53 man rosters when we aren't in the offices, guessing how many WRs were keeping it's all speculation I was being serious with my question about if his catch over our "star" corner got him a spot on the roster or it if it's too late and his ticket is punch I try not to be negative about The Bills but if we keep him because we want to test his RAW talent and then in turn get rid of a solid guy like Roosevelt then I don't see the point. He's two years behind everyone and it's never good to be out of the game that long. So I'm not trying to kill the guy I'm trying to understand where he's at as a football player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Why must you be so consistently negative about Easley? You continue to berate posters for being optimistic about his potential to be a contributor to this offense. Do you have something personal against him? Did he cut you off in traffic or something? Perhaps he lost to Easley in a chicken wing eating contest. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Gun10 Posted August 17, 2012 Author Share Posted August 17, 2012 Is Tonight his final test? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 (edited) Welker's situation was effected by his status as a restricted free agent. Perhaps that's one reason why other teams didn't get in on him? Then again, we don't know how many teams Welker did talk to, either. Another reason might be the contract that NE* signed him to. Maybe teams thought Welker wanted too much? If Miami wouldn't have matched the offer that NE* was going to make, they would have received a 2nd rounder anyway as compensation for losing their restricted FA. I'm not sure where you're going with the "if the Bills did this..." argument. Although I think it's safe to say that Brady has had a lot to do with Welker's success and we haven't had a QB like him since Kelly, I wouldn't have minded the Bills doing it at all if they really thought Welker was a guy that could help. I give credit to NE* for specifically targeting the slot receiver they wanted. GO BILLS!!! IIRC, the pats* were going to "steal" Welker away from miami using a poison pill in the RFA contract offer. They are scum for using those tactics, but the situation would have been avoided had Miami not been cheap asses and simply put 1st or 1st/3rd tender on welker. Another 500k would have been the small cost to go from a 2nd to a 1st round tender. http://www.boston.co...lker/?page=full The Patriots were prepared to sign Welker to an offer sheet that included a "poison pill" that would make it difficult for the Dolphins to match. Yet in hopes of avoiding the bad blood that sometimes can accompany offer sheets - the Seahawks and Vikings recently engaged in a nasty back and forth with offensive lineman Steve Hutchinson and receiver Nate Burleson exchanging teams via offer sheets - the Patriots instead called the Dolphins and proposed a trade. Edited August 17, 2012 by Ramius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnzane Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 WRT to Easley, Chan and co thought high enough of him that they started him the last two games of the preseason. If he is on the bubble, hopefully he puts it together. That said, what has Donald Jones actually done for the team? I mean really, 23 catches out of a starting receiver in 7 games? That is a freaking joke. Miami was stupid for letting Welker go when he was starting to break out in their system. The Fish were epicly dumb for letting him go to New England* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Gun10 Posted August 18, 2012 Author Share Posted August 18, 2012 i think Jones will have a good season but it's not looking good for Marcus he's not even with the 2nd team offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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