Astrobot Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 I'm looking for comments about positional needs for a June mock draft. Yes, I know it's early, and our picks haven't put on shoulder pads yet, but a droid's gotta do what a droid's gotta do as Bills analyst. What say you to this: QB---P1 (top priority) OLB--P2 (pick OLB if a QB isn't found on the Big Board within 12 slots) WRF--P3 (pick WR if QB, OLB aren't found on the Big Board within 12 slots) P4's: LOT--Left Offensive Tackle SILB-Strong Inside Linebacker P6's: WRP--Wide Receiver, Possession type TE---Tight End OC---Center WILB-weak Inside Linebacker FS---Free Safety SS---Strong Safety CB---Cornerback All other positions are set at P9 and won't likely be taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 #1- OLB #2- WR #3- TE #4- QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optometric Insight Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 I don't think QB should be a P1. We have Fitz, who might be able to manage a game. I picture him as a mixture of Brett Farve and Alex Smith; a gunslinger/game manager. And then we have Mr. Vince Young as a back-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You herd it hear last Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 I don't think QB should be a P1. We have Fitz, who might be able to manage a game. I picture him as a mixture of Brett Farve and Alex Smith; a gunslinger/game manager. And then we have Mr. Vince Young as a back-up. A gunslinging game manager?... Is that what you are going with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Angel Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 I don't think QB should be a P1. We have Fitz, who might be able to manage a game. I picture him as a mixture of Brett Farve and Alex Smith; a gunslinger/game manager. And then we have Mr. Vince Young as a back-up. Fitz is more like a mixture of Poindexture and Jon Kitna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Really impossible to know without watching the current team but I'd say you're probably right with QB as #1. Too many question marks with Fitz and even if he works out you still need a long term developmental prospect unless you believe that Vince Young will be that guy. I think you're short changing TE however with a P6. Chandler is average and he's about it so I'd put TE at #2. Beyond that I think you'd have to say best available at this point until we watch them take the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 I am a little confused on something. Can we change a P1 if we are picking in the later part of the round? I ask because if we are picking later we can still get the best TE in the draft later. I thought I understood the system and maybe I am having a hiccup. I would definately be interested in a top 2 or 3 QB if they were available, but I would be just as fine looking at an LT or OLB. Then again, it is June...I can probably cross off what we do not need before I would question what we do. We don't need safeties, we don't need RB's, DE's or DT's. We need to make sure we keep depth at CB, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cocktosten Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 WR QB WR QB DE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Fitz is more like a mixture of Poindexture and Jon Kitna Neither of them can play the trombone ala Fitzmusic! I would put QB #1, MLB #2, OLB #3, WR #4, OT#4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAWNDO Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 QB, OLB, WR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 (edited) I'm looking for comments about positional needs for a June mock draft. Yes, I know it's early, and our picks haven't put on shoulder pads yet, but a droid's gotta do what a droid's gotta do as Bills analyst. What say you to this: QB---P1 (top priority) OLB--P2 (pick OLB if a QB isn't found on the Big Board within 12 slots) WRF--P3 (pick WR if QB, OLB aren't found on the Big Board within 12 slots) P4's: LOT--Left Offensive Tackle SILB-Strong Inside Linebacker P6's: WRP--Wide Receiver, Possession type TE---Tight End OC---Center WILB-weak Inside Linebacker FS---Free Safety SS---Strong Safety CB---Cornerback All other positions are set at P9 and won't likely be taken. You should never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever under any circumstances take a 4-3* OLB in the first round. It is beyond stupid. And since we don't have a SILB position anymore you can lose that too. I would recommend: QB---P1 (top priority) - Fine but we have Fitz and VY on the roster likely in April QB will be P6 WRF--P2 (pick WR if QB, can't be found on the Big Board within 12 slots) CB---P3 - You have Gilmore, old McGee, Bone Head McKelvin and Brooks (Nickle - CB) so there is a need for another guy outwide P4's: TE---Tight End OLB - OLB P6's: LOT--Left Offensive Tackle WRP--Wide Receiver, Possession type DE --You can never have enough young pass rushers. OC---Center FS---Free Safety SS---Strong Safety MLB - Middle Linebacker * corrected Edited June 5, 2012 by Why So Serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 You should never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever under any circumstances take a 3-4 OLB in the first round. It is beyond stupid. And since we don't have a SILB position anymore you can lose that too. I would recommend: QB---P1 (top priority) - Fine but we have Fitz and VY on the roster likely in April QB will be P6 WRF--P2 (pick WR if QB, can't be found on the Big Board within 12 slots) CB---P3 - You have Gilmore, old McGee, Bone Head McKelvin and Brooks (Nickle - CB) so there is a need for another guy outwide P4's: TE---Tight End OLB - OLB P6's: LOT--Left Offensive Tackle WRP--Wide Receiver, Possession type DE --You can never have enough young pass rushers. OC---Center FS---Free Safety SS---Strong Safety MLB - Middle Linebacker Agreed on the Lb's They're not essential in this D. What we have will suffice. That said, I'd still look to add another body to the DL mix. You can never ever ever ever ever ever ever have enough of them. DL,OL, TE, WR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsrhody Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 QB WR TE OT DE OLB I think if there is a top notch QB prospect, you always have to take him. However, I wouldnt want to reach for someone (like a christian ponder type). I think WR will always be a top priority until we have a stud outside to pair with Stevie. I just think there will be too much inconsistency at that position this year. Chandler is a nice TE but he is in no way elite. If there is an athletic game changing TE available, that could be a great pick. Tackles are always going to be valuable to Nix, so I'd always have that in the top 5. Same thing goes for pass rushers.. cant have enough good rotation guys. I really don't think OLB is going to be a draft priority. They arent super important in our defensive scheme and we just spent a couple of picks on LBs this past year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 (edited) P1 - WR - by far the biggest hole in our offense is a second starting WR. P2 - DE - Can never have enough rotational guys, plus kelsay and Anderson aren't the youngest guys around. Snagging another good DE (Werner or Jenkins ) to add to the rotation should strongly be considered. P3 - S - Byrd's current status is that he's a FA next offseason, and Wilson is solid but over 30. Edited June 5, 2012 by Ramius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 1338901700[/url]' post='2480785']You should never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever under any circumstances take a 3-4 OLB in the first round. It is beyond stupid. And since we don't have a SILB position anymore you can lose that too. I would recommend: QB---P1 (top priority) - Fine but we have Fitz and VY on the roster likely in April QB will be P6 WRF--P2 (pick WR if QB, can't be found on the Big Board within 12 slots) CB---P3 - You have Gilmore, old McGee, Bone Head McKelvin and Brooks (Nickle - CB) so there is a need for another guy outwide P4's: TE---Tight End OLB - OLB P6's: LOT--Left Offensive Tackle WRP--Wide Receiver, Possession type DE --You can never have enough young pass rushers. OC---Center FS---Free Safety SS---Strong Safety MLB - Middle Linebacker First off, I find your posts very informative these days wss. I know we've butted heads a few times regarding the draft (although this year we were on the same page), I believe you're very knowledgable about the bills as well as football in general. In this post however, there are 2 things I'm surprised to here you say. The first line of your post....makes zero sense to me. We play a 4-3, not a 3-4. I'm assuming it's just a mistake and that you know we play a 4-3. I agree, 4-3 olbs shouldn't be taken in the first. 3-4 OLBs most Defintely should be. Second, you failed to mention Aaron Williams when discussing the CBs. Next season, I see the CBs as follows: Gilmore and Williams starting with brooks and Rogers manning the nickel and dime CBs. I think mckelvin will most likely be gone. Either he doesn't play well this year and gets the boot or he plays very well with our new DL and gets a nice contract somewhere else. We won't have the money to resign him to a hefty contract with Byrd and levitre up as well. I think McGee will stick as our 5th cb....but if reasonably healthy, will get major minutes (and possibly even start). The only way I see CB as more important than OLB, TE, DE depth and OT depth is if McGee and mckelvin are gone AND if one of the youngsters (Williams, Gilmore, brooks or Rogers) gets a serious injury or get seriously burned all season. I think CB will be the 2nd deepest position on our team and a VERY talented group I hope to see us keep together for a long time. My ranking of draft needs: 1- QB- it will be the number 1 need imo, until we have a superstar qb. If fitz turns out to be just that, scratch qb from the top 5 rounds. 2- WR- I think we have some decent talent with Nelson, Easley, graham, hagan and jones. I'd prefer to have a very good #2 instead of a bunch of number 3 and 4s. Maybe one of these guys steps up and takes that #2. Until then, we need another really good Wr, not decent. 3-OLB- I like the guys we drafted this year. I have really high hopes for Bradham and I think he will be a starter in his sophomore year, if not this year. I love Barnett, but he'll be a FA in 2 years and 2 years older. I'd like to get his replacement to start with sheppard and Bradham for years to come. I like carder too, but I'm not sold on him becoming a starter at OLB anytime soon. 4- DE- sure, we're loaded with Mario, Anderson, Merriman and Kelsey. Merriman is a FA after this year. If he stays healthy and produces this year, he will get paid. Paid more than we can afford. Kelsey is average and his getting up there in age. We can use some youth at DE. 5- TE- chandler signed a 2 year contract I believe. We don't know what we have in smith or fendi. It seems to be one of the weaker positions and could use an upgrade IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEAST MODE BABY! Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 QB is far and away the number one need. We need a developmental, future franchise QB type. THen WR and OLB, depending on how people play this year. Those two could be flip-flopped if someone has a breakout year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 (edited) First off, I find your posts very informative these days wss. I know we've butted heads a few times regarding the draft (although this year we were on the same page), I believe you're very knowledgable about the bills as well as football in general. In this post however, there are 2 things I'm surprised to here you say. The first line of your post....makes zero sense to me. We play a 4-3, not a 3-4. I'm assuming it's just a mistake and that you know we play a 4-3. I agree, 4-3 olbs shouldn't be taken in the first. 3-4 OLBs most Defintely should be. Correct, I mis-typed. I'm glad we agree on this one, I actually wouldn't mind if 2013 draft they took a 4-3 DE in the 1st round if there was a potential stud Pass rusher there too. Like many have posted you can never have enough. Who knows if Mark Anderson and Merriman will work out. Plus Kelsay is anything but a pass rushing specialist. Second, you failed to mention Aaron Williams when discussing the CBs. Next season, I see the CBs as follows: Gilmore and Williams starting with brooks and Rogers manning the nickel and dime CBs. I think mckelvin will most likely be gone. Either he doesn't play well this year and gets the boot or he plays very well with our new DL and gets a nice contract somewhere else. We won't have the money to resign him to a hefty contract with Byrd and levitre up as well. I think McGee will stick as our 5th cb....but if reasonably healthy, will get major minutes (and possibly even start). The only way I see CB as more important than OLB, TE, DE depth and OT depth is if McGee and mckelvin are gone AND if one of the youngsters (Williams, Gilmore, brooks or Rogers) gets a serious injury or get seriously burned all season. I think CB will be the 2nd deepest position on our team and a VERY talented group I hope to see us keep together for a long time. Dude, How can I forget Aaron Williams. Iguess its the offseason. I will take that ad revise. I need some training camp. My ranking of draft needs: 1- QB- it will be the number 1 need imo, until we have a superstar qb. If fitz turns out to be just that, scratch qb from the top 5 rounds. 2- WR- I think we have some decent talent with Nelson, Easley, graham, hagan and jones. I'd prefer to have a very good #2 instead of a bunch of number 3 and 4s. Maybe one of these guys steps up and takes that #2. Until then, we need another really good Wr, not decent. 3-OLB- I like the guys we drafted this year. I have really high hopes for Bradham and I think he will be a starter in his sophomore year, if not this year. I love Barnett, but he'll be a FA in 2 years and 2 years older. I'd like to get his replacement to start with sheppard and Bradham for years to come. I like carder too, but I'm not sold on him becoming a starter at OLB anytime soon. 4- DE- sure, we're loaded with Mario, Anderson, Merriman and Kelsey. Merriman is a FA after this year. If he stays healthy and produces this year, he will get paid. Paid more than we can afford. Kelsey is average and his getting up there in age. We can use some youth at DE. 5- TE- chandler signed a 2 year contract I believe. We don't know what we have in smith or fendi. It seems to be one of the weaker positions and could use an upgrade IMO. We agree for the post part here, try squeezing the priorities into draftek's priority system. Edited June 5, 2012 by Why So Serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbillsfan Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 1 qb have to keep looking 2 De I know it will not be a popular choice but put a real beast on the otherside of mario 3 wr 4 linebacker/s 5 safety , this one could move up , after bryd it gets very interesting , wilson is on the old side, searcy is unproven, and not much else and Bryd is a free agent 6 I would put tight end but it doesn't seem to be a important postion to what Chan is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted June 6, 2012 Author Share Posted June 6, 2012 I am a little confused on something. Can we change a P1 if we are picking in the later part of the round? I ask because if we are picking later we can still get the best TE in the draft later. I thought I understood the system and maybe I am having a hiccup. I would definately be interested in a top 2 or 3 QB if they were available, but I would be just as fine looking at an LT or OLB. Then again, it is June...I can probably cross off what we do not need before I would question what we do. We don't need safeties, we don't need RB's, DE's or DT's. We need to make sure we keep depth at CB, as well. We will be drafting 14th in our first mock. there may be a #2 QB at that spot, or a #3. And you are dead on about the top TE being still available there. Likely looking at the best 4-3 OLB as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInUticaTampa Posted June 6, 2012 Share Posted June 6, 2012 I agree that if there is a franchise qb when we pick, we pull the trigger. Fitz is good and all, but it would be smart to search for an elite qb while we have the luxury of not needing one right away. Wr and lb are probably next, depending on what happens with our new guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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