D521646 Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Bleacher Report. Means less than nothing. Ah, I see, gotcha. Carry-on Tim- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Ok so it wasn't NFL.com: http://www.nesn.com/2012/03/troy-polamalu-leads-all-strong-safeties-on-bleacher-reports-top-1000-list-.html Tim- You do know that the Bleecher Report is written by amateurs, right? Matt Miller bio: "Matt was the secondary and special teams coordinator for the three-time league champion Joplin Crusaders of the Central Football League." Heavens to Betsy, what qualifications... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 "Buddy Nix fills a pressing need..." What need is that, exactly? Covering superior TEs and run support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsox Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 This is the guy who is always the most accurate mock drafter, including the last 6 right for the Bills. Has us taking Barron(passing on Kuechly and Gilmore), but says we want to trade up for Kalil, who falls to the Rans at 6 fwiw. http://www.profootballweekly.com/2012/04/26/nawrockis-final-mock-draft He's dead on. Nawrocki is the Man!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Drafting a safety with the top pick would be something I would expect from Dick Jauron, not Buddy Nix. We cannot forever be against picking DBs in the first round just because Levy and Jauron pretty much blew the picks. Their fault was not that they picked CB and safety. Their error was in picking McK and Whitner at those high spots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 We cannot forever be against picking DBs in the first round just because Levy and Jauron pretty much blew the picks. Their fault was not that they picked CB and safety. Their error was in picking McK and Whitner at those high spots. Yep, can't draft Kalil because Mike Williams was such a bust... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 (edited) Drafting a safety with the top pick would be something I would expect from Dick Jauron, not Buddy Nix. So the next Troy Polamalu or Ed Reed is sitting their at 10(not saying Barron is that) and you think the Bills shouldn't draft him because Dick Jauron would do something like that? Makes complete sense Edited April 26, 2012 by Wayne Cubed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D521646 Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 You do know that the Bleecher Report is written by amateurs, right? Matt Miller bio: "Matt was the secondary and special teams coordinator for the three-time league champion Joplin Crusaders of the Central Football League." Heavens to Betsy, what qualifications... Ok anyone that says heavens to Betsy needs a smack.. And- Aren't we all amatuers to some degree? So if not this opinion, then please enlighten me on just whos opinion you value more, but if you could, please try to articulate why this person opinion holds more value to you specifically. As to my opinion. I think that from what I saw last year, I would have placed Wilson in the top three SS in the league prior to his injury. Now, that's MY opinion, what's yours sparky? Tim- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 A few months ago, NFL.com ranked Wilson second only to Polamalu last year. MSN ran it as a slide show, let me see if I can dig it up. Tim- Ok so it wasn't NFL.com: http://www.nesn.com/...1000-list-.html Tim- Bleacher! LOL, I rest my case. I like George Wilson, and I agree he had some great moments last year (1st half against Philly he was everywhere). Here's the question -- on 3rd down, would you rather have Keuchly in there with two safeties, or a three-safety look with Barron/Wilson/Byrd? In fairness to this discussion, the great retired safety, Rodney Harrison stated that George Wilson was playing like a Defensive POY candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 And- Aren't we all amatuers to some degree? So if not this opinion, then please enlighten me on just whos opinion you value more, but if you could, please try to articulate why this person opinion holds more value to you specifically. I don't value anyone's opinion more than my own , but here are three other amatuer viewpoints: ESPN ranking (although prior to 2011 season) USA Today ranking (also preseason) NY Times ranking Your right, it's all arbitrary. But to me, Wilson is an adequate starter who's not physical enough in run support, which is a major hole on this defense. The occasional INT (4 last year) isn't enough to cover up that liability. Same with Bryan Scott, who also plays Jumbo SS in nickle and dime. The way defenses are played today, you typically have 3 safeties on the field in passing situations. Letting Barron take those snaps as a rookie and letting him slide into Wilson's spot by year end would be a big plus for this team, IMO... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 "Buddy Nix fills a pressing need..." What need is that, exactly? Upgrading Dime safety from Bryan Scott? Pushing team captain George Wilson to the bench? Unless they're prepared to let Jairus Byrd hit UFA after the 2012 season. Nothing like spending resources on DB's and RB's every other year when your OT's are among the worst in the NFL. Drafting a safety with the top pick would be something I would expect from Dick Jauron, not Buddy Nix. This. Nothing like building a collection of players and not a team. Best Player Available is not always the best decision to build a team. It's gotta be balanced with needs, i.e. building a team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 I have no problem with Barron but it would be a full circle of waste after just letting an All Pro walk last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsrhody Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Bleacher! LOL, I rest my case. I like George Wilson, and I agree he had some great moments last year (1st half against Philly he was everywhere). Here's the question -- on 3rd down, would you rather have Keuchly in there with two safeties, or a three-safety look with Barron/Wilson/Byrd? First of all.. when you're looking at comparing two players, you cant just look at 1 down. What would Barron do for 1st and 2nd down? If you look at all 3 downs, clearly we have more talent on the field at 1 time if we have Kuechly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 First of all.. when you're looking at comparing two players, you cant just look at 1 down. What would Barron do for 1st and 2nd down? If you look at all 3 downs, clearly we have more talent on the field at 1 time if we have Kuechly. Eventually (and probably sooner rather than later), he'll replace Wilson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 This is the guy who is always the most accurate mock drafter, including the last 6 right for the Bills. Has us taking Barron(passing on Kuechly and Gilmore), but says we want to trade up for Kalil, who falls to the Rans at 6 fwiw. http://www.profootballweekly.com/2012/04/26/nawrockis-final-mock-draft I can see us taking either of those 3. I'll be fine with any of them, all have the potential to be pro-bowl players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billshank Redemption Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 I would just rather either move up and take kalil, or take gilmore/kuechly/floyd. Its not worth to take a safety that high when we can take an impact player of need. Not saying we couldn't upgrade safety but it would be a better allocation of resources otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 I respectfully disagree. Byrd is a ballhawk, but not that special in run support. Wilson can't cover the TE's in our division and isn't that physical either. Wanny could use a bigger, tougher field general who could deliver better run support and be a better disruptor than what we have now... I really have to disagree with you about Wilson. He is an absolute beast. Did you go to any games last year? Wilson was making plays all over the place. He absolutely dominated Philly's entire offense in that game. He was all over the place. George Wilson is the man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsrhody Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 (edited) Eventually (and probably sooner rather than later), he'll replace Wilson. Either way.. Wilson is a better player than what we have at linebacker. Kuechly is a significant upgrade over the player he would replace (Morrison or Sheppard) and Barron is not. Why would you take a good player off the field to put a slightly better player in (this may not even be true), when you could draft a player who would be a major upgrade at another position? Edited April 26, 2012 by Billsrhody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInUticaTampa Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 (edited) This secondary will shine w the pass rush we will have this year. Byrd mckelvin Williams are athletes who will make plays when qbs are rushed. You could give us hall of fame secondary and they would have failed last year as well IMO I'll judge and throw dirt on mck and company after this year. NYG won Super Bowl w no lbs or CB,s Yeah, but 3 players don't make up the whole secondary... Plus, I think mckelvin is still suspect, and there is a good chance he won't even be on this team after this year. But that is moot if they draft barron, because he is a saftey. I think the position barron would most likely commmand would be Bryan Scotts position. the type that switches between saftey/linebacker to cover the tight ends. but that is really a position I am not familiar with. Someone here explained it pretty well, but I forget the explanation. But if barron were on the team, he would be moved to bryan scott's roll, and scott would be a backup to him, I guess. Edited April 26, 2012 by DanInUticaTampa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSpeed Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 The only way they should consider drafting Barron is if they plan on moving Byrd to CB (which I'm not sure he can do) and moving Wilson to FS. Barron is a SS. Flo makes too manny dumb mistakes, McGee is always hurt, not sold YET on Williams, and McKelvin is crap. Wilson and Byrd are our 2 best DBs. Taking one off the field seems senseless. Otherwise this is CJ Spiller all over again. (Part time player selected in the Top 10) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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