Owen Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Left tackle is the 2nd most important position next to QB... Right now, OLT Bell has been offered a contract that the Bills can live with... It may or may not be what Bell wants... Unfortunately for him he is injuried too often to make starter money. Bills need a quality Left Tackle that is not only good but durable... That is why I believe they will draft one with their 10th pick even if Bell re-signs... I looked at the top Left tackles.. Matt Kail will be gone before the Bills select... Riley Reiff is tough as hell but has short arms and is better suited for guard Jonathan Martin has all the qualification for a starting LT but some say he is soft. Warning sign for lack of heart Mike Adams is there for a starting LT position... Has all the qualifications... but will be picked at the lower end of the 1st round... The LT I like who I think Buddy would pick at #10 has 6'5' height...346 lbs...10 inch hands, 35" plus arms,84 5/8 wing span, dominate work ethic, powerful and mobile with good balance..He can play OLT or guard... comes from a good southern school where Buddy likes to pick them... His name is Cordy Glenn... Watch him go up in the charts. I like the pick of left tackle here because in rounds 2 thru 4 there are quality WRs, CBs and OLBs to choose from. Fixing the O-line should be a top priority this year and getting any one of those LTs whom Buddy likes hopefully will be the right move... But Buddy has to really like him at #10... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I agree with you. In an interview less then a month ago, Budday stated he does not want to reach for a DE at 10. Now with the Mario signing, he for sure doesn't have to do that. The Bills did make Bell an offer, he did not counter supposedly. He is testing the waters...and good for him. LT should be the pick as the roster stands right now. And if Buddy really likes one of the LT. Not sure about Glenn, watch a lot of UGA games. He is a big physical guy, and very athletic. If the Bills could turn Bell and Peters into a starting LT think about what they could do with a first round guy? Ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 OT not a sexy choice, but I wouldn't mind it now that we have signed our pass rush beast Mario Williams. I'd still like to see Bell re-sign so that we can draft Melvin Ingram or Michael Floyd, but if that doesn't happen than OT is the necessary pick to make. The only question I have is is if said OT is the BPA at 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Left tackle is the 2nd most important position next to QB... Right now, OLT Bell has been offered a contract that the Bills can live with... It may or may not be what Bell wants... Unfortunately for him he is injuried too often to make starter money. Bills need a quality Left Tackle that is not only good but durable... That is why I believe they will draft one with their 10th pick even if Bell re-signs... I looked at the top Left tackles.. Matt Kail will be gone before the Bills select... Riley Reiff is tough as hell but has short arms and is better suited for guard Jonathan Martin has all the qualification for a starting LT but some say he is soft. Warning sign for lack of heart Mike Adams is there for a starting LT position... Has all the qualifications... but will be picked at the lower end of the 1st round... The LT I like who I think Buddy would pick at #10 has 6'5' height...346 lbs...10 inch hands, 35" plus arms,84 5/8 wing span, dominate work ethic, powerful and mobile with good balance..He can play OLT or guard... comes from a good southern school where Buddy likes to pick them... His name is Cordy Glenn... Watch him go up in the charts. I like the pick of left tackle here because in rounds 2 thru 4 there are quality WRs, CBs and OLBs to choose from. Fixing the O-line should be a top priority this year and getting any one of those LTs whom Buddy likes hopefully will be the right move... But Buddy has to really like him at #10... I dont' know if it truly is Buddy's plan as the title insinuates, but I will say that given the talent and our true NEED at LT, I would like to see the BILLS draft a LT if in fact they stay in the #10 spot. As for Glenn, he's built extremely well for the LT position, but the problem I see is that all I've read (which isn't much) is that his projection is far better as a Guard in the NFL than a tackle. If in fact Nix believes Glenn can play LT and do it well, not only for the physical attributes but for an understanding of his role in the Offense also, then I'm good with it. I think LT is going to be the pick merely because of where we stand in the "Need" department and where the talent level lies at the #10 spot....others have mentioned WR, such as Floyd, but I don't believe we "Need" a WR as much in the #10 spot. That's not to say I don't think we NEED another WR, I just don't believe it's value belies the 10th overall pick. That being said, CB,WR, and LB are also all definite necessities in one form or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cocktosten Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 What is with he Left Tackle mafia around here lately? LT is NOT the 2nd most important position in the game. Not even close. Joe Thomas, Jake Long, Michael Roos and Jason Peters are the consensus best tackles year after year in the NFL and they never take their teams to the playoffs. A QB who makes quick decisions and has good pocket presence makes his Oline look a lot better. Here is a stat for you. There hasn't been a OT picked in the first round to start in the super bowl in since 2007. Great teams pick impact players up near the top of the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playman Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 thomas was said to have short arms as well. wasnt he going to the pro-bowl in his rookie season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I say take the best available player between LT, WR and RDE. I still hold out hope for signing Bell to a contract with incentives tied to playing time. I would think that a short deal like this could potentially benefit Bell as well because if he can show that he can stay healthy for a couple of seasons then he may garner more interest on the open market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geno Smith's Arm Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 (edited) I agree with you. In an interview less then a month ago, Budday stated he does not want to reach for a DE at 10. Now with the Mario signing, he for sure doesn't have to do that. The Bills did make Bell an offer, he did not counter supposedly. He is testing the waters...and good for him. LT should be the pick as the roster stands right now. And if Buddy really likes one of the LT. Not sure about Glenn, watch a lot of UGA games. He is a big physical guy, and very athletic. If the Bills could turn Bell and Peters into a starting LT think about what they could do with a first round guy? Ha That sounds logical, but there is a reason why sometimes a diamond in the rough is found in the later rounds. The guys at the top of the draft are pretty much known quantities. Guys that have played that position for a while, shown what the can do, have received top notch coaching at big schools, and have played top flight competition. That's how they get rated high. Guys like Bell and Peters are guys that maybe changed position late in college, played at smaller schools, didn't receive the top level coaching or conditioning etc., but showed good athleticism and room for development. They are much higher risk selections because they are drafted for POTENTIAL. Most don't start as rookies, and most don't pan out... Edited March 18, 2012 by Matthews' Bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 What is with he Left Tackle mafia around here lately? LT is NOT the 2nd most important position in the game. Not even close. Joe Thomas, Jake Long, Michael Roos and Jason Peters are the consensus best tackles year after year in the NFL and they never take their teams to the playoffs. A QB who makes quick decisions and has good pocket presence makes his Oline look a lot better. Here is a stat for you. There hasn't been a OT picked in the first round to start in the super bowl in since 2007. Great teams pick impact players up near the top of the draft. I could be wrong, but weren't both starting OTs for Green Bay in 2011 first rounders? I know Bulaga was, wasn't Clifton as well? Also Giants' RT Kareem McKenzie was a first rounder. Pretty sure Levi Brown started for the cardinals in 2009 as well. I'd look it up, but I'm on my mobile right now...sorry. Not sure your point is valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sllib olaffub Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 (edited) I agree that LT makes sense. There is a lot that goes into these types of choices. I think it is often overlooked as a real motivator for 1st round choices: certain positions, hard to fill positions of real significance on an nfl roster, are way, way cheaper to fill via draft than in F.A. - QB, LT, DE, CB - these are the four that usually fill up the top of round 1. Not only does a team get a young talent to develop in their system, but they get that roster spot filled without having to pay market value. Compare a team that has filled it's QB, DE, and CB/LT positions in the draft to a team that has filled those spots in F.A. - one team will have a great team with cap room to spare, and the other will be like the Redskins - constantly trying to get creative with money. I think the Bills really try to fill those expensive positions through the draft to avoid having to compete with the market. And, if you go by that strategy, LT makes a lot of sense for our first pick, or CB, depending on the talent available. Edited March 18, 2012 by sllib olaffub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Left tackle is the 2nd most important position next to QB... Right now, OLT Bell has been offered a contract that the Bills can live with... It may or may not be what Bell wants... Unfortunately for him he is injuried too often to make starter money. Bills need a quality Left Tackle that is not only good but durable... That is why I believe they will draft one with their 10th pick even if Bell re-signs... I looked at the top Left tackles.. Matt Kail will be gone before the Bills select... Riley Reiff is tough as hell but has short arms and is better suited for guardJonathan Martin has all the qualification for a starting LT but some say he is soft. Warning sign for lack of heart Mike Adams is there for a starting LT position... Has all the qualifications... but will be picked at the lower end of the 1st round... The LT I like who I think Buddy would pick at #10 has 6'5' height...346 lbs...10 inch hands, 35" plus arms,84 5/8 wing span, dominate work ethic, powerful and mobile with good balance..He can play OLT or guard... comes from a good southern school where Buddy likes to pick them... His name is Cordy Glenn... Watch him go up in the charts. I like the pick of left tackle here because in rounds 2 thru 4 there are quality WRs, CBs and OLBs to choose from. Fixing the O-line should be a top priority this year and getting any one of those LTs whom Buddy likes hopefully will be the right move... But Buddy has to really like him at #10... How short, like NUBS? So draft him and try him at LT. If he doesn't work out, put him to guard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 That sounds logical, but there is a reason why sometimes a diamond in the rough is found in the later rounds. The guys at the top of the draft are pretty much known quantities. Guys that have played that position for a while, shown what the can do, have received top notch coaching at big schools, and have played top flight competition. That's how they get rated high. Guys like Bell and Peters are guys that maybe changed position late in college, played at smaller schools, didn't receive the top level coaching or conditioning etc., but showed good athleticism and room for development. They are much higher risk selections because they are drafted for POTENTIAL. Most don't start as rookies, and most don't pan out... I know it was a joke. But i do think LT is the biggest area of need with the most first round talent available. What if Bell came back to the Bills and they work out a good deal? Similar to a McGee, good base and then pay for play contract. Would anyone wanna then offer Mike Wallace a contract? Knowing you would lose your First Rd this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cocktosten Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I could be wrong, but weren't both starting OTs for Green Bay in 2011 first rounders? I know Bulaga was, wasn't Clifton as well? Also Giants' RT Kareem McKenzie was a first rounder. Pretty sure Levi Brown started for the cardinals in 2009 as well. I'd look it up, but I'm on my mobile right now...sorry. Not sure your point is valid. We are talking about LT's. Btw, McKenzie was a 3rd pick and Clifton, who started at LT in the SB was a 2nd rd pick. It's a very valid point because it shows that you don't need to reach for OTs high in the draft. Jonathan Scott and Wayne Gandy were train wrecks in Buffalo. Why? Because Trent and JP couldn't read defenses and sat in the pocket all day long. However, they both played in SBs the year after they left Buffalo protecting Kurt Warner and BB. QBs make their Oline look good. Fitz made this Oline look better this year too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sllib olaffub Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 And another thing: there are other positions the Bills will certainly want to add dynamic greatness to: LB, QB, CB, WR - if there were an exceptional talent there (like a LB who could take the defense on his shoulders and lead - a Patrick Willis type player) they'd grab him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Angel Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 How short, like NUBS? So draft him and try him at LT. If he doesn't work out, put him to guard? because we need a LT not a guard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wooly22 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I say take the best available player between LT, WR and RDE. I still hold out hope for signing Bell to a contract with incentives tied to playing time. I would think that a short deal like this could potentially benefit Bell as well because if he can show that he can stay healthy for a couple of seasons then he may garner more interest on the open market. Ditto. The incentive based contract gives players motivation to make the most they can, by playing the most, and best they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerland Bills Fan Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Left tackle is the 2nd most important position next to QB... Right now, OLT Bell has been offered a contract that the Bills can live with... It may or may not be what Bell wants... Unfortunately for him he is injuried too often to make starter money. Bills need a quality Left Tackle that is not only good but durable... That is why I believe they will draft one with their 10th pick even if Bell re-signs... I looked at the top Left tackles.. Matt Kail will be gone before the Bills select... Riley Reiff is tough as hell but has short arms and is better suited for guard Jonathan Martin has all the qualification for a starting LT but some say he is soft. Warning sign for lack of heart Mike Adams is there for a starting LT position... Has all the qualifications... but will be picked at the lower end of the 1st round... The LT I like who I think Buddy would pick at #10 has 6'5' height...346 lbs...10 inch hands, 35" plus arms,84 5/8 wing span, dominate work ethic, powerful and mobile with good balance..He can play OLT or guard... comes from a good southern school where Buddy likes to pick them... His name is Cordy Glenn... Watch him go up in the charts. I like the pick of left tackle here because in rounds 2 thru 4 there are quality WRs, CBs and OLBs to choose from. Fixing the O-line should be a top priority this year and getting any one of those LTs whom Buddy likes hopefully will be the right move... But Buddy has to really like him at #10... Even though he may be rising, I just can't see Cordy Glenn being worth the 10th pick in the draft. Like Reiff, he may be better suited for guard. The only OT I like in the first round is Kalil and he would cost at least the 2nd round pick to move up to #3 to get him. I've seen the point about LOT's in Super Bowls before, but the missing stat is how many other players those teams tried to fill in at LOT before they found one? The Bills could pick one later and he could turn out to be better than Hairston or he could be another Ed Wang. As far as trading up to take Kalil, what would be lost if only the 2nd round pick was given up? A SLB like Terrell Lewis, maybe? It may be worth it, it might not be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geno Smith's Arm Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 And another thing: there are other positions the Bills will certainly want to add dynamic greatness to: LB, QB, CB, WR - if there were an exceptional talent there (like a LB who could take the defense on his shoulders and lead - a Patrick Willis type player) they'd grab him. I agree with your posts in this thread. Sam Bowie or Michael Jordan? Nuff' said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Can anyone shed some light on Levitres performance at LT last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Here is a stat for you. There hasn't been a OT picked in the first round to start in the super bowl in since 2007. Great teams pick impact players up near the top of the draft. Wouldn't having a guy that could pass block and run block and stay healthy and anchor the edge of the line without needing help have an impact? There really is no question about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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