BillsLux Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Does the fact that all of a sudden Aaron Maybin has 6 sacks tell us something about our defensive coaching? Why couldn't we do a thing with him? Also, have you ever seen receivers in the secondary as open as they are against us? Our cornerbacks/safeties might be bad, but at least a few times a game, isn't there just massive confusion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 R U FRIGGIN FOR REAL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Do the two issues have to be mutually exclusive? The coaches can suck and Maybin can be worthless as well. Even the Jets cut him. He appears to be mostly benefitting from having a better supporting cast around him. Is that praise for the Jets and Maybin or a wholesale indictment of the Bills FO and defensive staff??? The only issue I have with the whole Maybin debacle was why cut him this year. Merriman and his achilles could not have felt like a sure thing to last the year. The staff saw so little in Moats as an OLB they moved him to ILB. Kelsay plays adequately as a DE but is horrible as an OLB. The large part of his contract had already been paid and he is still so young. And how would he play with Dareus next to him at DE. Made no sense to cut him before the season started. In the end though, I think the Jets release him next training camp and his claim to fame will be he was marginally better than Vernon Gholston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumbalaya Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 (edited) Do the two issues have to be mutually exclusive? The coaches can suck and Maybin can be worthless as well. Even the Jets cut him. He appears to be mostly benefitting from having a better supporting cast around him. Is that praise for the Jets and Maybin or a wholesale indictment of the Bills FO and defensive staff??? The only issue I have with the whole Maybin debacle was why cut him this year. Merriman and his achilles could not have felt like a sure thing to last the year. The staff saw so little in Moats as an OLB they moved him to ILB. Kelsay plays adequately as a DE but is horrible as an OLB. The large part of his contract had already been paid and he is still so young. And how would he play with Dareus next to him at DE. Made no sense to cut him before the season started. In the end though, I think the Jets release him next training camp and his claim to fame will be he was marginally better than Vernon Gholston. Look Maybin is producing and we should be happy for him. That he busted here shows the Bills coaches did not have a clue on how to use him. Also Buffalo, and especially this board, give up way too early on players. Maybin and Marshawn are perfect examples. Better coaching, better leadership and some tolerance from fans for two kids that were in the league before they matured was all that was needed. They should be producing here. Instead we re-pick the same position draft after draft, neglecting areas of need. We never love the one we're with. Now Fitz is getting the same crap that we heaped on these guys. We would not have wasted a pick on CJ if Marshawn was still on the team. Freddie and Lynch would have been unstoppable. Freddie and CJ are very stoppable. Now all the crap that this crowd threw on Lynch and Maybin is directed on McKelvin. Give the guy a break and a chance to succeed. On top of this, you predict that Maybin, who has more sacks than any player on the Bills, is going to get cut next year is ludicrous. Take your head out of your a$$. He will be in the pro bowl before Marcell Dareus. We run more good players out of town than any team in the league. Edited December 24, 2011 by jumbalaya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Good god- Maybin isnt a good player. On the Jets defense he's a one job player, the Bills would need him to do other things he can't. It's like a loaded team adding a descent hitter who can't field- just DH and you will hit seven. While another team if they signed him would need him to play left and hit third he can't do it. In one scenario it works in another scenario it doesn't. I don't want Maybin back and he'll be out of the league in two years. Right now he's filling Jason Taylor shoes from 2010 - Taylor had 5 or 6 sacks last year this year no one wanted him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KollegeStudnet Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 In a nutshell, it took him...several years of sucking on the bench and being cut twice from Bills/Jets... to finally realize how to sack the QB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 The Bills should really hire Maybin's tutor Mike Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Do the two issues have to be mutually exclusive? The coaches can suck and Maybin can be worthless as well. Even the Jets cut him. He appears to be mostly benefitting from having a better supporting cast around him. Is that praise for the Jets and Maybin or a wholesale indictment of the Bills FO and defensive staff??? The only issue I have with the whole Maybin debacle was why cut him this year. Merriman and his achilles could not have felt like a sure thing to last the year. The staff saw so little in Moats as an OLB they moved him to ILB. Kelsay plays adequately as a DE but is horrible as an OLB. The large part of his contract had already been paid and he is still so young. And how would he play with Dareus next to him at DE. Made no sense to cut him before the season started. In the end though, I think the Jets release him next training camp and his claim to fame will be he was marginally better than Vernon Gholston. Yea but the same can be said about Jabari Greer- Jim Leonhard- Donte Whitner- Poz-Maybin all playing for top defenses. So OP might just have a valid point about how crappy Bills coaches have been. Look at Marshawn Lynch 1000 yards rushing and 11 TD's, good thing the bills got a 4th rounder for the 8th ranked RB in the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Newsflash: "Bills Personnel Decisions Have Not Been Good for the Last Decade." And in other news, the Vatican has just released a statement confirming that the Pope is, indeed, as suspected, Catholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveinElma Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Does the fact that all of a sudden Aaron Maybin has 6 sacks tell us something about our defensive coaching? Why couldn't we do a thing with him? It tells you that Rex Ryan is the best coach in the NFL at manufacturing pressure on the QB. Since Ryan came to the Jets he's gotten 20.5 sacks with his secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 On the third hand, the Jets chances of making the playoffs are now 49.1%, so maybin those sack numbers aren't all that. http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NFL.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 I think you could take any defender on the Bills, put him on a team with a good defense and creative coaches, and he would suddenly appear to be better than anyone would have expected based on his performance on the current Bills defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Yea but the same can be said about Jabari Greer- Jim Leonhard- Donte Whitner- Poz-Maybin all playing for top defenses. So OP might just have a valid point about how crappy Bills coaches have been. Look at Marshawn Lynch 1000 yards rushing and 11 TD's, good thing the bills got a 4th rounder for the 8th ranked RB in the league At least with Lynch, being a running back ain't that hard. I think some coach in Seattle told him the obvious-- just run straight ahead and quit dancing. Same goes with McGahee. Both of those guys have simply changed their running style from side-to-side dancers, into north-south runners. I have no idea why it took them 5+ years to figure that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveinElma Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 At least with Lynch, being a running back ain't that hard. I think some coach in Seattle told him the obvious-- just run straight ahead and quit dancing. I think he's agent told him its already November in his contract season and he's done jack-squat so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Newsflash: "Bills Personnel Decisions Have Not Been Good for the Last Decade." And in other news, the Vatican has just released a statement confirming that the Pope is, indeed, as suspected, Catholic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bXsTyMxSzc ....water...is....wet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Angel Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Does the fact that all of a sudden Aaron Maybin has 6 sacks tell us something about our defensive coaching? Why couldn't we do a thing with him? Also, have you ever seen receivers in the secondary as open as they are against us? Our cornerbacks/safeties might be bad, but at least a few times a game, isn't there just massive confusion? We had a number one draft pick that we expected to play a linebacker...they took a scrub off the street and asked him to rush the passer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Maybin was released for financial reasons, first and foremost. Since the Bills were paying him over $5 million a season they felt like he had to be an every down defender and since he sucks at stopping the run they felt he wasn't worth keeping around as a one dimensional player. Maybin never really was given a shot in Buffalo to simply just rush the passer. Another problem will our Bills is that they draft these immature 21 year olds, a la Maybin and Lynch, and never wait for the to finally mature as men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Does the fact that all of a sudden Aaron Maybin has 6 sacks tell us something about our defensive coaching? Yes...Yes it does... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endless Ike Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Does the fact that all of a sudden Aaron Maybin has 6 sacks tell us something about our defensive coaching? Why couldn't we do a thing with him? Also, have you ever seen receivers in the secondary as open as they are against us? Our cornerbacks/safeties might be bad, but at least a few times a game, isn't there just massive confusion? No, Any team in the league would have cut him, including the Jets, because of his outrageous salary. He was a one-trick pony get paid like an all-time stud. Now he's getting paid like a one trick pony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted December 24, 2011 Share Posted December 24, 2011 Good god- Maybin isnt a good player. On the Jets defense he's a one job player, the Bills would need him to do other things he can't. It's like a loaded team adding a descent hitter who can't field- just DH and you will hit seven. While another team if they signed him would need him to play left and hit third he can't do it. In one scenario it works in another scenario it doesn't. I don't want Maybin back and he'll be out of the league in two years. Right now he's filling Jason Taylor shoes from 2010 - Taylor had 5 or 6 sacks last year this year no one wanted him Well... Jason Taylor is OLD...That's why nobody wanted him...I think he wanted to play his last year in Miami anyway... This whole argument that Maybin sucks and he's only a decent Pass Rusher because he's on the Jets would be all fine and dandy IF The Bills had any...I mean ANY semblance of a Pass Rush whatsoever...It's one thing to let a former #11 overall pick go because he can't play all 3 downs...I get that...It's completely another thing to let him go when his one and only current NFL skill is exactly what your Defense lacks most...A FREAKING PASS RUSH!!! Chan Gailey hinted strongly to Tim Graham that Maybin was released do to a lack of talent...Now for those around here who have short memories, Maybin was drafted (and yes I understand it was the previous regime) to Rush the Passer first and foremost...Go back and read the comments from The Bills before that Draft...They were determined to get a PASS RUSHER...If they wanted a 3 down LB I promise each and everyone of you they would have taken Cushing...But instead they wanted a difference maker on 3rd Down coming off the edge...That is why they Drafted Maybin, and anyone who thinks differently is simply making crap up...Maybin had done it for only one year in College...He was the definition of a project...No matter how dumb you think Jauron and Modrak were, believe me, they knew Maybin was a HUGE projection as a 3-Down Player...Everyone under the sun knew it...But what Jauron saw was the ability to get after the QB off the edge...And Maybin had the best first step off the line that many of these scouts had seen in years...And sure they also figured in a few years he would fill out and be a more complete player...But in the meantime he was Drafted to do one thing and one thing only...Pass Rusher...Sound familiar? That's exactly what he's doing for The Jets...Only when Gailey and Nix came in did they up the expectations of Maybin...And he never got the Coaching necessary to be a decent Pass Rusher in Buffalo let alone a 3 Down OLB...What a joke... So sure Maybin is one dimensional...And yes The Jets are a better Defense than this bumbling bunch of misfits we've got...But the fact that the Bills could not get Maybin to do exactly what they Drafted him to do...Rush the Passer, and get 5-10 Sacks a year...speaks volumes about this Coaching Staff...And I'll take Maybin's Pass Rush skills any day on this current Bills Team...After all he's clearly a better Pass Rusher than any player we have currently...The fact that we cut this Kid is a complete and utter joke...Just like The Bills...I was fooled into thinking Gailey knew it all and Maybin had no talent...I know better now...The Bills have no Coaching talent...That's the real problem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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