Dorkington Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 I know we just brough Chan and Nix in, and just signed Fitz to a new deal. But this team clearly needs to be rebooted again. Chan is a mediocre offensive coach. Nix is a horrible GM. Fitzpatrick is an average backup. Freddie is close to being over the hill. Spiller is a bust. Johnson is overrated. Jones is absolute crap. Our offensive line can't protect for longer than 2 seconds. Our defensive line is full of soft bodies. Our OLBs are undersized, inexperienced and simply useless. Our MLB are unreliable. Our CBs can't cover anyone. Our Safeties are often out of position. Our kicker and punter are close to over the hill too. Our recent drafts have netted us nothing. Our FA signings are mostly strike outs. The last 20 years have been failure after failure after failure. Maybe it needs to start at the top with Wilson. I'm sure this will be one of eleventy million frustration threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 I know we just brough Chan and Nix in, and just signed Fitz to a new deal. But this team clearly needs to be rebooted again. Chan is a mediocre offensive coach. Nix is a horrible GM. Fitzpatrick is an average backup. Freddie is close to being over the hill. Spiller is a bust. Johnson is overrated. Jones is absolute crap. Our offensive line can't protect for longer than 2 seconds. Our defensive line is full of soft bodies. Our OLBs are undersized, inexperienced and simply useless. Our MLB are unreliable. Our CBs can't cover anyone. Our Safeties are often out of position. Our kicker and punter are close to over the hill too. Our recent drafts have netted us nothing. Our FA signings are mostly strike outs. The last 20 years have been failure after failure after failure. Maybe it needs to start at the top with Wilson. I'm sure this will be one of eleventy million frustration threads. Clearly. This team needs to be sacked after every loss. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted November 13, 2011 Author Share Posted November 13, 2011 Clearly. This team needs to be sacked after every loss. PTR Not at all. The Bengals and Giants losses were excusable. The last two weeks though? Absolutely embarassing. We're getting worse, not better, as the season continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggieScooby Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 The P in PTR stand for Payroll. Payroll The Robot! It's okay for us to be upset PTR, I love you but you don't need to defend them on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Daddy Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Nothing changes until Mr. Wilson passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Fong Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Nothing changes until Mr. Wilson passes. And then they won't be the Buffalo Bills anymore. Guaranteed. Our chance to win it all died in the 90s. The dream is over. Nice while it lasted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Daddy Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 And then they won't be the Buffalo Bills anymore. Guaranteed. Our chance to win it all died in the 90s. The dream is over. Nice while it lasted. Time will tell!!! Hopefully Jimbo has a plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 The P in PTR stand for Payroll. Payroll The Robot! It's okay for us to be upset PTR, I love you but you don't need to defend them on this one. +1 Ralph's employees don't think he's cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 (edited) Clearly. This team needs to be sacked after every loss. PTR Boy, Cowboys looked tough today. Big, fast, off and running. Amazing how when talented teams play big, you have no shot. Talent wins every time when motivated. Both Jets and Cowboys had motivation and mowed the Bills down. On the bright side, win in Miami and you are 6-4 with another shot at glory against the Jets. On the dark side, this is just how 2008 unraveled as well. Feel good start, then get blasted into oblivion... Edited November 13, 2011 by 8and8Forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Not at all. The Bengals and Giants losses were excusable. The last two weeks though? Absolutely embarassing. We're getting worse, not better, as the season continues. I disagree with this. The Bills are a little worse for wear as most teams are due to injuries. But overall they are not getting worse week to week. Early in the season the Bills D was getting very lucky with tips and other deflections falling into their hands and the results were lots of INTs and some pick-6's. That kind of luck is not sustainable over the course of a season as we are now seeing. The offense has been figured out now as well. You take away the short passing game as the Jets and now the Cowboys have done and that's pretty much it for the Bills Offense. None of this should be a surprise for long time Bills fans. Most should know the Bills are at least 2 more good drafts from being competitive with the better teams in the NFL. Miami is playing well, won their last 2 and the game is on grass next week. The fish were looking like sure wins for the Bills a few short weeks ago, but not so anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted November 13, 2011 Author Share Posted November 13, 2011 We aren't even in the same league as the Dolphins right now. Moore is going to look like Marino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Definitely an extreme overreaction. Yes they have issues. But c'mon man you're going to say MLB is a problem area for us at the moment? Barnett has been awesome. You can't just say everything is crap. Definitely some crap but not everything. You don't win 5 games through halfway and have NOTHING at all to work with. Constant turnover is not the answer. Getting rid of Chan is not the answer. Its not the fact that we have alot of injuries - every team does, it's just that we don't have good depth as a football team yet. Injuries and lack of depth are killing the teams' performance and confidence each week. I understand your frustration. I am as well. But we have some solid pieces and need to keep building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThurmasThoman Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 thought this was a joke thread. i now realize this thread was made in seriousness. staying away from here until next saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endless Ike Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 We had a decent scheme that put our mediocre talent in a position to win. Other teams have caught up, and we can't make adjustments because the talent is mediocre. Its not the end of the world, we're just still not competitive when it comes to on-field talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep2evans Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 thought this was a joke thread. i now realize this thread was made in seriousness. staying away from here until next saturday. it's dramatic and a little over the top, but it's hard to disagree with the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 I know we just brough Chan and Nix in, and just signed Fitz to a new deal. But this team clearly needs to be rebooted again. Chan is a mediocre offensive coach. Nix is a horrible GM. Fitzpatrick is an average backup. Freddie is close to being over the hill. Spiller is a bust. Johnson is overrated. Jones is absolute crap. Our offensive line can't protect for longer than 2 seconds. Our defensive line is full of soft bodies. Our OLBs are undersized, inexperienced and simply useless. Our MLB are unreliable. Our CBs can't cover anyone. Our Safeties are often out of position. Our kicker and punter are close to over the hill too. Our recent drafts have netted us nothing. Our FA signings are mostly strike outs. The last 20 years have been failure after failure after failure. Maybe it needs to start at the top with Wilson. I'm sure this will be one of eleventy million frustration threads. We don't need to get a new coach and a new GM and a new everything because they're playing poorly as of recent. I mean come on lets be realistic, none of us were saying this crap a few weeks ago. The problem is that they aren't playing with any rhythm, they've started the last 2 games just throwing the ball on every down of their first possession. Our offense is built on the balance that we maintained with a good run game. If you've noticed we've kind of lost sight of the balance in our attack. And we shouldn't panic due to being down by 7 and trying to pass every down. I think Gailey is a good coach and has the right idea the guys just aren't making adjustments pre-snap, that was clear on their first play from scrimmage. Obviously Wilson is a horrible owner. We all can agree on that. Spiller isn't a bust, he's just not being used properly, I mean how can a guy who touches the ball maybe 3 or 4 times a game ever progress? Our defense simply can't stop a nosebleed. George Edwards should have been released after last season. The front four don't get any pressure, they are playing a more simple defense than high school teams at this point and their front four are playing terrible. When there is no pressure by the front four it exploits and makes the LBs and DB's vulnerable. Edwards is making the mistake of trying to figure out how not to make them not look vulnerable when he should be looking at how to get more pressure. Moats should be starting he's our best pass rusher and there needs to be more accountability on the defensive line by the players themselves as well. Dwan Edwards is getting no pressure. Simply that 3-4 front isn't working AT ALL. Dareus and Carrington should be inside for starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XrazyBillsFan Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Nothing changes until Mr. Wilson passes. +1000000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaz Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 it's dramatic and a little over the top, but it's hard to disagree with the guy. Yup. Was there a silver lining today? Awful, awful defense. Poor execution and play calling on offense. Turnovers. Injuries. And another blowout loss when the final gun sounded. To be over-the-top irate and pessimistic is understandable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Big Man Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Buddy "in bred" Nix said 2 preseasons ago that the Bills were 3 seasons away and he along with Chan " Red Neck" Gailey are in year 2 already. We have been in transition for 11 years. 4 GMs, 5 HC and 7 QBS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 The P in PTR stand for Payroll. Payroll The Robot! It's okay for us to be upset PTR, I love you but you don't need to defend them on this one. The P stands for PERSPECTIVE, which none of you have. I stopped taking it all as serious as you. If they lose, too bad. Life goes on. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Big Man Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 We don't need to get a new coach and a new GM and a new everything because they're playing poorly as of recent. I mean come on lets be realistic, none of us were saying this crap a few weeks ago. The problem is that they aren't playing with any rhythm, they've started the last 2 games just throwing the ball on every down of their first possession. Our offense is built on the balance that we maintained with a good run game. If you've noticed we've kind of lost sight of the balance in our attack. And we shouldn't panic due to being down by 7 and trying to pass every down. I think Gailey is a good coach and has the right idea the guys just aren't making adjustments pre-snap, that was clear on their first play from scrimmage. Obviously Wilson is a horrible owner. We all can agree on that. Spiller isn't a bust, he's just not being used properly, I mean how can a guy who touches the ball maybe 3 or 4 times a game ever progress? Our defense simply can't stop a nosebleed. George Edwards should have been released after last season. The front four don't get any pressure, they are playing a more simple defense than high school teams at this point and their front four are playing terrible. When there is no pressure by the front four it exploits and makes the LBs and DB's vulnerable. Edwards is making the mistake of trying to figure out how not to make them not look vulnerable when he should be looking at how to get more pressure. Moats should be starting he's our best pass rusher and there needs to be more accountability on the defensive line by the players themselves as well. Dwan Edwards is getting no pressure. Simply that 3-4 front isn't working AT ALL. Dareus and Carrington should be inside for starters. WOW! Going down with ship eh? We could be looking at 5-11 for the season. Who else are we going top beat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted November 13, 2011 Author Share Posted November 13, 2011 People, people. I know I'm overreacting. I'm freaking mad! So I'm going to stick with the OP until later in the week, and I'll calm down. For now, I'm going to angrily eat my burrito. And I'm going to down this root beer while filled with rage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Big Man Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Clearly. This team needs to be sacked after every loss. PTR Its not the fact THAT they lost. Its HOW they lost. I'm sure even you could have designed an offense to move the ball against dem Cowboys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobilz Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 how long could wilson actually live? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 WOW! Going down with ship eh? We could be looking at 5-11 for the season. Who else are we going top beat? haha huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Big Man Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 We aren't even in the same league as the Dolphins right now. Moore is going to look like Marino. Agreed! Miami will be tough next week..probably another loss. You are spot on, good football sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBeane Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 The P stands for PERSPECTIVE, which none of you have. I stopped taking it all as serious as you. If they lose, too bad. Life goes on. PTR I agree with you here. We went 5-3 in the first half and have started the second half 0-1. There is nothing to say that it cannot turn around in the final 7 games for us. Yes, these past 2 weeks have been pretty brutal, but crazy things happen in the NFL. We are still over .500 and have a chance to try and turn some things around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Big Man Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 I agree with you here. We went 5-3 in the first half and have started the second half 0-1. There is nothing to say that it cannot turn around in the final 7 games for us. Yes, these past 2 weeks have been pretty brutal, but crazy things happen in the NFL. We are still over .500 and have a chance to try and turn some things around. Yeah! Lets definitely bet on crazy things. Sounds like a sure bet. Or how about using your head and eyes and knowledge of the game....nah...lets go with crazy things! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted November 13, 2011 Author Share Posted November 13, 2011 Agreed! Miami will be tough next week..probably another loss. You are spot on, good football sense. Don't sarcastically question my rage fueled rants! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Hots Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 I have been supporting the Bills for34 years. L have lived in CA, TX, SC, Iraq, Afghanistan. etc/ Seen the best and worst. WNY is still the greatest b/c of the people....but this is the worst. Today, I turned the game off b/c I did not want my kids to get wrapped up in a silly game like I have for 34 years. This f----in suck. GO BILLS...win the next 2/ Please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggieScooby Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 The P stands for PERSPECTIVE, which none of you have. I stopped taking it all as serious as you. If they lose, too bad. Life goes on. PTR Okay Mr. Perspective what "perspective" did you gain today? You can win with Tebow completing 2 passes? Here is what I learned we have won 2 games in last 6. We are more the 2-4 team than the team that started 3-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBeane Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Yeah! Lets definitely bet on crazy things. Sounds like a sure bet. Or how about using your head and eyes and knowledge of the game....nah...lets go with crazy things! Speaking of using your head and eyes, I never said anything about "betting on crazy things." I said, "there is nothing to say it cannot turn around in the final 7 games," and "crazy things happen in the NFL." Reading comprehension doesn't appear to be your strong suit. If you want to go ahead and give up on the season, go ahead, that is your prerogative. I'm going to let the next few weeks play out and see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 I have been supporting the Bills for34 years. L have lived in CA, TX, SC, Iraq, Afghanistan. etc/ Seen the best and worst. WNY is still the greatest b/c of the people....but this is the worst. Today, I turned the game off b/c I did not want my kids to get wrapped up in a silly game like I have for 34 years. This f----in suck. GO BILLS...win the next 2/ Please Way to stick to your convictions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 The sky may be falling on the season, but it's not all crashing down around us on this version of the organization. There's a clear way forward here: 1.) Fix the goddamn defense. Fire George Edwards, effective tomorrow, and find a coordinator who can run a pro unit. Maybe that guy's Wanny, but I'm not convinced. I don't think we've put together such top-shelf 3-4 talent that scheme has to factor into this decision. Steve Spagnolo's likely to be fired. Jack Del Rio might be available. There's more coaching talent in the position coach ranks. Do a real search, and find the best guy - a coach who will also be able to identify talent. With Dareus and Williams, we've got some power up front. Now flesh it out with position depth and starters at LB. You can get a lot done with roleplayers on defense; go out and find those guys. 2.) Accept that this is going to be Fitz's team, and build for that. The guy has a quick release and decent accuracy, so find guys who get make quick cuts, get open, hold on to the ball, and move forward. We've got a scrapheap playing wide receiver. Anyone who can be a credible threat downfield would revitalize these guys. Donald Jones is not a starter, Steve Johnson isn't a #1. If you can make those changes, we'll be back to September again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Hansen Forever Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Way to stick to your convictions! He's like the rest of us...want to puke after each loss, but hoping for another win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBeane Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 I have been supporting the Bills for34 years. L have lived in CA, TX, SC, Iraq, Afghanistan. etc/ Seen the best and worst. WNY is still the greatest b/c of the people....but this is the worst. Today, I turned the game off b/c I did not want my kids to get wrapped up in a silly game like I have for 34 years. This f----in suck. GO BILLS...win the next 2/ Please You make no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaz Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 He's like the rest of us...want to puke after each loss, but hoping for another win. I think I saw that exact phrase on a "NO FEAR" t-shirt years ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 The last two weeks though? Absolutely embarassing. We're getting worse, not better, as the season continues. This much is obvious and it should be a concern to every Bills Fan because they ARE getting out-coached and seem to have no answers at all...Granted if our Defense could stop anything...I mean ANYTHING, I think the Offense would look a heck of a lot better purely because they would not be playing from behind so much...But Gailey has seemingly run out of magic...And when he does call a great play Spiller stumbles and drops a ball that hits him in the hands, or Fitz overthrows a wide open Donald Jones deep, or he under-throws one...etc, etc...It's pretty ugly right now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 He's like the rest of us...want to puke after each loss, but hoping for another win. Yeah, I know....just thought it was kind of funny... this team pisses me off to no end, year after year, but I never miss a game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuSeYiN1978 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 I don't wanna believe this at all but i belive this game sealed the deal to our season... The Bills are so predictable... Screen passes and 5 yard dinks to the middle of the field (which was probably a screen also) is being shut down... We can't stretch the field at all... And please don't let me say anything about our CB's (except for McGee) McKelvin makes me jump out of my seat and pace back and forth... Offensive line is hurt and now down with another major piece in Wood... Kelsay can't make it back on to the field... Coaching sucks big time... I believe it's time to move on with a new defensive coordinator... George Edwards is not doing anything to even get the best out of the players he has... I like Chan Gailey but we need a better offensive coordinator than Modkins... Who can we beat after a loss like that? Help me out please... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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