bills_red Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 (edited) Here is how we lined up last night with the 1st team D. 1st Play Kelsay - Dareus - Williams - Edwards Barnett - Davis - Merriman McGee - Byrd - Wilson - McKelvin Kelsay had his hand down. Merriman was lined up right by Edwards hand up. Barnett and Davis 5 yards from LOS shifted a bit to the left side. George Wilson comes up late behind Edwards/Merriman. 2nd Play Kelsay - Dareus - Williams - Edwards Barnett - Davis - Merriman McGee - Byrd - Wilson - McKelvin Kelsay has hand down again. Merriman over the slot WR. 3rd Play Kelsay - Dareus - Williams - Merriman Barnett - Torbor McKelvin - Byrd - Wilson - McGee - D-Flo Kelsay and Merriman have hand gown. Barnet blitzes. McGee is the slot. 4th Play Kelsay - Dareus - Williams - Edwards Barnett - Davis - Merriman McGee - Byrd - Wilson - McKelvin Kelsay had his hand down. Merriman was lined up right by Edwards hand up. Barnett and Davis 5 yards from LOS shifted a bit to the left side. George Wilson comes up late behind Edwards/Merriman. 5th Play Kelsay - Dareus - Williams - Merriman Barnett - Torbor McKelvin - McGee - Wilson - Byrd - D-Flo Kelsay hand down. Merriman on LOS but hand up. McGee in the slot. 6th Play Kelsay - Dareus - Williams - Merriman Torbor - Barnett McKelvin - McGee - Wilson - Byrd - D-Flo Kelsay hand down. Merriman on LOS but hand up. McGee in the slot. 7th Play Kelsay - Dareus - Williams - Edwards Davis - Barnett - Merriman Byrd - Wilson - McGee - McKelvin Kelsay hand down. Merriman in LOS by Edwards. Byrd 1-1 on the bottom. McGee in slot. 8th Play Kelsay - Dareus - Edwards - Merriman Torbor - Barnett McKelvin - McGee - Wilson - Byrd - D-Flo Kelsay & Merriman have hand down. McGee in slot. 9th Play Kelsay - Dareus - Williams - Merriman Torbor - Barnett McKelvin - Wilson - Byrd - McGee - D-Flo Kelsay & Merriman have hand down. McGee in slot. ----------------------------------------------------- After 9 plays Merriman came out and Kelsay took his spot while Carrington took over Kelsay spot. Then Kelsay came out after 1 play and Batten came in. Troup also saw action on the 3rd drive. So Kelsay had his hand down every play with the 1st unit. Torbor is gonna be the nickle LB with Barnett and McGee will be the slot CB in nickle. Edited August 14, 2011 by bills_red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinRome Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Awesome, thanks for the data on the D. I didn't see the game. If you don't mind doing this for the next game, I'd appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 NICE WORK! Not to get greedy, but if I may be greedy, if you have time to post the situation for each down - 3rd and 8, etc... that would be awesomely helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Kelsay is significantly more effective with his hand in the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 why do they bother calling kelsay a lb? for that matter, why do they bother calling it a 3-4? its obvious kelsay is far more effective as a down lineman, is never asked to drop into pass coverage anymore cuz hes horrible at it, and essentially is a defensive end all the time. i mean im fine with that if it works, and im fine with kelsay who is a steady high-motor type at a reasonable price (3.75m), but lets call a cracker a cracker and say hes a de in a 4-3 defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quester74 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Kelsay is significantly more effective with his hand in the ground. That's like saying ketchup is significantly more useful as a hair tonic, than it is as a fuel additive. Just sayin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoretalk Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Here is how we lined up last night with the 1st team D. 1st Play Kelsay - Dareus - Williams - Edwards Barnett - Davis - Merriman McGee - Byrd - Wilson - McKelvin Kelsay had his hand down. Merriman was lined up right by Edwards hand up. Barnett and Davis 5 yards from LOS shifted a bit to the left side. George Wilson comes up late behind Edwards/Merriman. 2nd Play Kelsay - Dareus - Williams - Edwards Barnett - Davis - Merriman McGee - Byrd - Wilson - McKelvin Kelsay has hand down again. Merriman over the slot WR. 3rd Play Kelsay - Dareus - Williams - Merriman Barnett - Torbor McKelvin - Byrd - Wilson - McGee - D-Flo Kelsay and Merriman have hand gown. Barnet blitzes. McGee is the slot. 4th Play Kelsay - Dareus - Williams - Edwards Barnett - Davis - Merriman McGee - Byrd - Wilson - McKelvin Kelsay had his hand down. Merriman was lined up right by Edwards hand up. Barnett and Davis 5 yards from LOS shifted a bit to the left side. George Wilson comes up late behind Edwards/Merriman. 5th Play Kelsay - Dareus - Williams - Merriman Barnett - Torbor McKelvin - McGee - Wilson - Byrd - D-Flo Kelsay hand down. Merriman on LOS but hand up. McGee in the slot. 6th Play Kelsay - Dareus - Williams - Merriman Torbor - Barnett McKelvin - McGee - Wilson - Byrd - D-Flo Kelsay hand down. Merriman on LOS but hand up. McGee in the slot. 7th Play Kelsay - Dareus - Williams - Edwards Davis - Barnett - Merriman Byrd - Wilson - McGee - McKelvin Kelsay hand down. Merriman in LOS by Edwards. Byrd 1-1 on the bottom. McGee in slot. 8th Play Kelsay - Dareus - Edwards - Merriman Torbor - Barnett McKelvin - McGee - Wilson - Byrd - D-Flo Kelsay & Merriman have hand down. McGee in slot. 9th Play Kelsay - Dareus - Williams - Merriman Torbor - Barnett McKelvin - Wilson - Byrd - McGee - D-Flo Kelsay & Merriman have hand down. McGee in slot. ----------------------------------------------------- After 9 plays Merriman came out and Kelsay took his spot while Carrington took over Kelsay spot. Then Kelsay came out after 1 play and Batten came in. Troup also saw action on the 3rd drive. So Kelsay had his hand down every play with the 1st unit. Torbor is gonna be the nickle LB with Barnett and McGee will be the slot CB in nickle. And,Kelsay looked good playing DE. He was not meant to be an OLB but as a DE he puts decent pressure on the QB and gives us a solid player who is smart and respected by teammates and coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_red Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 Awesome, thanks for the data on the D. I didn't see the game. If you don't mind doing this for the next game, I'd appreciate it. okay, paid 20 bucks to get the preseason games on nfl.com, worth it imo. NICE WORK! Not to get greedy, but if I may be greedy, if you have time to post the situation for each down - 3rd and 8, etc... that would be awesomely helpful. will do that next time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 okay, paid 20 bucks to get the preseason games on nfl.com, worth it imo. will do that next time thanks, dude. It's nice to see the work of good fans go into some actual analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 yea they are basically in the same alignment they closed out the year in last year. Im not sure what to call it really. 4-3 over, 5-2, 3-4. seems to be a real hybrid. I thought it worked good for us last year though, thats when we were at our best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 That's like saying ketchup is significantly more useful as a hair tonic, than it is as a fuel additive. Just sayin'. I believe this to be accurate. Engine condiments never seem productive, much like Kelsay at OLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FistingBot Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Here is how we lined up last night with the 1st team D. 1st Play Kelsay - Dareus - Williams - Edwards Barnett - Davis - Merriman McGee - Byrd - Wilson - McKelvin Kelsay had his hand down. Merriman was lined up right by Edwards hand up. Barnett and Davis 5 yards from LOS shifted a bit to the left side. George Wilson comes up late behind Edwards/Merriman. 2nd Play Kelsay - Dareus - Williams - Edwards Barnett - Davis - Merriman McGee - Byrd - Wilson - McKelvin Kelsay has hand down again. Merriman over the slot WR. 3rd Play Kelsay - Dareus - Williams - Merriman Barnett - Torbor McKelvin - Byrd - Wilson - McGee - D-Flo Kelsay and Merriman have hand gown. Barnet blitzes. McGee is the slot. 4th Play Kelsay - Dareus - Williams - Edwards Barnett - Davis - Merriman McGee - Byrd - Wilson - McKelvin Kelsay had his hand down. Merriman was lined up right by Edwards hand up. Barnett and Davis 5 yards from LOS shifted a bit to the left side. George Wilson comes up late behind Edwards/Merriman. 5th Play Kelsay - Dareus - Williams - Merriman Barnett - Torbor McKelvin - McGee - Wilson - Byrd - D-Flo Kelsay hand down. Merriman on LOS but hand up. McGee in the slot. 6th Play Kelsay - Dareus - Williams - Merriman Torbor - Barnett McKelvin - McGee - Wilson - Byrd - D-Flo Kelsay hand down. Merriman on LOS but hand up. McGee in the slot. 7th Play Kelsay - Dareus - Williams - Edwards Davis - Barnett - Merriman Byrd - Wilson - McGee - McKelvin Kelsay hand down. Merriman in LOS by Edwards. Byrd 1-1 on the bottom. McGee in slot. 8th Play Kelsay - Dareus - Edwards - Merriman Torbor - Barnett McKelvin - McGee - Wilson - Byrd - D-Flo Kelsay & Merriman have hand down. McGee in slot. 9th Play Kelsay - Dareus - Williams - Merriman Torbor - Barnett McKelvin - Wilson - Byrd - McGee - D-Flo Kelsay & Merriman have hand down. McGee in slot. ----------------------------------------------------- After 9 plays Merriman came out and Kelsay took his spot while Carrington took over Kelsay spot. Then Kelsay came out after 1 play and Batten came in. Troup also saw action on the 3rd drive. So Kelsay had his hand down every play with the 1st unit. Torbor is gonna be the nickle LB with Barnett and McGee will be the slot CB in nickle. One of the most informative posts I've seen on here in a while. Some actual data to think about... Thanks for posting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoggyHog Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 I watched the game twice on NFL Preseason Live and noticed the same thing. This defense is certainly not a 3-4. Nor is it a 4-3. Most of the first team D had 3 down lineman (most of the time 4), with at least 1 backer on LOS (sometimes 2) giving the LOS 5-6 bodies. They are very worried about the run, that's for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hplarrm Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 why do they bother calling kelsay a lb? for that matter, why do they bother calling it a 3-4? its obvious kelsay is far more effective as a down lineman, is never asked to drop into pass coverage anymore cuz hes horrible at it, and essentially is a defensive end all the time. i mean im fine with that if it works, and im fine with kelsay who is a steady high-motor type at a reasonable price (3.75m), but lets call a cracker a cracker and say hes a de in a 4-3 defense If it comes down to a choice between lying to me (and getting even a small chance at fooling opponents or telling me the truth, I say lie to me. Its much more important to me that we win rather than the team is honest to opponents simply because they are being honest with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Are we really gonna take Merriman off the field every time we go into the nickel? Would it be better to line him up at DE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Are we really gonna take Merriman off the field every time we go into the nickel? Would it be better to line him up at DE? Unless I misread the OP, every time we were in nickel, Merriman was lined up at RDE. That's what I saw while watching the game as well. I don't think Merriman will be off the field when we're in nickel. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Rob Johnson Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Are we really gonna take Merriman off the field every time we go into the nickel? Would it be better to line him up at DE? I believe I saw Merriman playing DE in a few instances, likely when they were in nickel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 And,Kelsay looked good playing DE. He was not meant to be an OLB but as a DE he puts decent pressure on the QB and gives us a solid player who is smart and respected by teammates and coaches. I said it all last year: Kelsay's problem wasn't Kelsay, it was the idiots that thought lining up a 4-3 DE at OLB in a 3-4 was somehow a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 I said it all last year: Kelsay's problem wasn't Kelsay, it was the idiots that thought lining up a 4-3 DE at OLB in a 3-4 was somehow a good idea. Agree with that, however it took them all year to figure that out. Q: Who would you say is the weakest link in the D as configured for Saturday night game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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