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6 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Any updates on this?

 

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/08/20/space-force-launch-aug-29-vice-president-mike-pence-says/2061062001/

 

US Space Command will launch this month, ahead of Trump's Space Force

"The United States Space Force will ensure that our nation is prepared to defend our people, defend our interests, and to defend our values in the vast expanse of space and here on Earth with the technologies that will support our common defense for the vast reaches of outer space," Pence said. 

 

Why, pray tell  would we need to defend our values in the vast expanse of space

Space Command to launch Aug. 29 as Trump's 'Space Force' takes ...

One week from today 

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where have I seen this before???

1200px-Air_Force_Space_Command_Logo.svg.

 

Gold shirt...  Yellow Hair 

Shatner.jpeg

 

 

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4 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Why, pray tell  would we need to defend our values in the vast expanse of space

 

Because of this: 

 

With such an audaciously handsome payoff in mining asteroids, some countries are already offering regulatory and financial incentives. Luxembourg, in 2017, introduced legislation to allow companies with a physical presence in the country to keep any resources they mine from celestial bodies.

 

The U.S. introduced similar legislation in 2015. And beginning this fall, the Colorado School of Mines will begin offering master’s and doctoral degrees in space resources as well as the world’s first graduate program in the subject.

 

You need not think the next step in mining asteroids will be easy, or for that matter, cheap. And there are other concerns to think about. It may be decades before we have the technology in place to actually mine an asteroid, and then we will have to think about who owns the lifeless piece of rock.

 

http://www.digitaljournal.com/tech-and-science/technology/the-race-for-space-is-on-think-asteroid-mining-worth-trillions/article/524405

 

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2 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Because of this: 

 

With such an audaciously handsome payoff in mining asteroids, some countries are already offering regulatory and financial incentives. Luxembourg, in 2017, introduced legislation to allow companies with a physical presence in the country to keep any resources they mine from celestial bodies.

 

The U.S. introduced similar legislation in 2015. And beginning this fall, the Colorado School of Mines will begin offering master’s and doctoral degrees in space resources as well as the world’s first graduate program in the subject.

 

You need not think the next step in mining asteroids will be easy, or for that matter, cheap. And there are other concerns to think about. It may be decades before we have the technology in place to actually mine an asteroid, and then we will have to think about who owns the lifeless piece of rock.

 

http://www.digitaljournal.com/tech-and-science/technology/the-race-for-space-is-on-think-asteroid-mining-worth-trillions/article/524405

 

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Occum's Shaver wins.  Again.

 

It's not aliens.  Ever.

 

It's not aliens because there aren't any.  That doesn't mean exploring space is folly.  Far from it.  Yes looking for alien signals has become as silly as looking for leprechauns, but exploring space itself is the destiny of our species.  More accurately, it is exploration or extinction.  All of the things you mention above are part of that process.

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2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Occum's Shaver wins.  Again.

 

It's not aliens.  Ever.

 

It's not aliens because there aren't any.  That doesn't mean exploring space is folly.  Far from it.  Yes looking for alien signals has become as silly as looking for leprechauns, but exploring space itself is the destiny of our species.  More accurately, it is exploration or extinction.  All of the things you mention above are part of that process.

 

The bolded is true for any sentient species with technological prowess. 

 

And considering the young age of our planet compared to other parts of the known universe (let alone the unknown bits), it's safe to say many other civilizations have walked that path to become interstellar. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

The bolded is true for any sentient species with technological prowess. 

 

And considering the young age of our planet compared to other parts of the known universe (let alone the unknown bits), it's safe to say many other civilizations have walked that path to become interstellar. 

 

 

 

If WE do it ...... Why not them?  

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2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

The bolded is true for any sentient species with technological prowess. 

 

And considering the young age of our planet compared to other parts of the known universe (let alone the unknown bits), it's safe to say many other civilizations have walked that path to become interstellar. 

 

 

Actually, it's safe to say that no other civilizations have walked that path.

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How does one explain the same style of building construction in different parts of the world when travel between each place was near impossible at the time?? 

 

I wander what the math says 

 

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1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

How does one explain the same style of building construction in different parts of the world when travel between each place was near impossible at the time?? 

 

I wander what the math says 

 

well duh... sitcom maths.

and all that...

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3 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

How does one explain the same style of building construction in different parts of the world when travel between each place was near impossible at the time?? 

 

I wander what the math says 

 

It had to be aliens I suppose.  Here's some more math.  It's basic Fermi stuff but I'm sure I just don't understand how big everything is, amirite?

 

 

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33 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

 It had to be aliens I suppose.  Here's some more math.  It's basic Fermi stuff but I'm sure I just don't understand how big everything is, amirite?

 

 

 

A) No

 

B) Yes

 

Did you even listen to this? He admits he’s biased, and speaks constantly of statistical probabilities. He basically says intelligent life is rare, and that’s why SETI has a hard time finding it. The universe is indeed a big place. You did yourself no favors there. It took me 17 minutes of my life, but that much is clear. 

 

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16 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

A) No

 

B) Yes

 

Did you even listen to this? He admits he’s biased, and speaks constantly of statistical probabilities. He basically says intelligent life is rare, and that’s why SETI has a hard time finding it. The universe is indeed a big place. You did yourself no favors there. It took me 17 minutes of my life, but that much is clear. 

 

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He pointed out three highly unusual things about Earth.  These are three things out of hundreds that are highly unusual.  It would seem those hundreds of very rare things make our circumstances inconcevably unusual.  The utter lack of any signal whatsoever from the trillions collected from all directions and times in space corroborates his conclusion.  

 

If he is biased, he is biased by data.  Others are biased by wishful thinking, misplaced spirituality, laziness or profit motive.  Good luck getting them to admit that.

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3 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

He pointed out three highly unusual things about Earth.  These are three things out of hundreds that are highly unusual.  It would seem those hundreds of very rare things make our circumstances inconcevably unusual.  The utter lack of any signal whatsoever from the trillions collected from all directions and times in space corroborates his conclusion.  

 

If he is biased, he is biased by data.  Others are biased by wishful thinking, misplaced spirituality, laziness or profit motive.  Good luck getting them to admit that.

 

Oh, please.....YOUR own biased “expert” said they haven’t found anything yet because it’s a big place and it’s rare. That means your expert says it exists. HE said that! He also said we’ve been looking for 54 years......out of 13.8 BILLION YEARS.  That’s far less than one eye blink over my life time. 

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3 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Oh, please.....YOUR own biased “expert” said they haven’t found anything yet because it’s a big place and it’s rare. That means your expert says it exists. HE said that! He also said we’ve been looking for 54 years......out of 13.8 BILLION YEARS.  That’s far less than one eye blink over my life time. 

What many fail to grasp is that we haven't been looking for 54 years.  We've been looking for all 13.8 billion.  If you think about it you will understand why.

 

He is far from my expert.  Today was the first time I've ever seen or heard him.  At this very moment I don't even recall his name.  But his name doesn't matter.  Facts matter.

 

As long as you brought up experts I'll ask if you prefer experts on any topic to use all the facts or just the ones that point in the direction they prefer.  I think everyone would prefer the universe to be teeming with life and include myself in that group.  "Whoa dude, it's like really big" is so far the only thing pointing in that direction.  Everything else points away.

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10 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

What many fail to grasp is that we haven't been looking for 54 years.  We've been looking for all 13.8 billion.  If you think about it you will understand why.

 

He is far from my expert.  Today was the first time I've ever seen or heard him.  At this very moment I don't even recall his name.  But his name doesn't matter.  Facts matter.

 

As long as you brought up experts I'll ask if you prefer experts on any topic to use all the facts or just the ones that point in the direction they prefer.  I think everyone would prefer the universe to be teeming with life and include myself in that group.  "Whoa dude, it's like really big" is so far the only thing pointing in that direction.  Everything else points away.

 

I don’t think I ever took a firm stand. I think there is intelligent life out there. I can’t say for sure. You seemed to take a stand and say that can NOT be the case, IS not the case. I’m a firm believer in never say never. THAT is the catch. Admit it's possible, because you have no way of KNOWING. 

 

I lean toward yes, you SWEAR no. Do you see the difference? 

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34 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I don’t think I ever took a firm stand. I think there is intelligent life out there. I can’t say for sure. You seemed to take a stand and say that can NOT be the case, IS not the case. I’m a firm believer in never say never. THAT is the catch. Admit it's possible, because you have no way of KNOWING. 

 

I lean toward yes, you SWEAR no. Do you see the difference? 

I've acknowledged that I left out other dimensions and that I think there is a bit of a case for parallel universes.  If I were close minded, would those things be true?

 

So I'll give you this:. At the absolute most; in a highly unlikely scenario, there could be an Earth twin,triplet or quadruplets out there, but if so they are are as inconsequential as a tree falling in the woods with no one there to hear it.  It is pointless to look for such a thing and any thought about it has been proven to be a wasted thought.  There is a very high likelihood that if even a very few of these actually existed, we would already know.

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2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

I've acknowledged that I left out other dimensions and that I think there is a bit of a case for parallel universes.  If I were close minded, would those things be true?

 

So I'll give you this:. At the absolute most; in a highly unlikely scenario, there could be an Earth twin,triplet or quadruplets out there, but if so they are are as inconsequential as a tree falling in the woods with no one there to hear it.  It is pointless to look for such a thing and any thought about it has been proven to be a wasted thought.  There is a very high likelihood that if even a very few of these actually existed, we would already know.

 

So, your answer is YES. It IS possible. We are making progress, although it’s grudgingly and tedious. 

 

There ARE other planets in the Goldilocks zone, they are finding them all the time. You have apparently gone from “there is no intelligent life” to “it’s inconsequential.“  Why make this so hard???     😋

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4 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

So, your answer is YES. It IS possible. We are making progress, although it’s grudgingly and tedious. 

 

There ARE other planets in the Goldilocks zone, they are finding them all the time. You have apparently gone from “there is no intelligent life” to “it’s inconsequential.“  Why make this so hard???     😋

I'm not putting words in your mouth so please don't do that to me.  By inconsequential I mean:

 

never to be found

never to have any impact on humanity in any way

so pretty much the same as non-existent

 

The Goldilocks zone?  Shirley you can't be serious.  

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27 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

I've acknowledged that I left out other dimensions and that I think there is a bit of a case for parallel universes.  If I were close minded, would those things be true?

 

So I'll give you this:. At the absolute most; in a highly unlikely scenario, there could be an Earth twin,triplet or quadruplets out there, but if so they are are as inconsequential as a tree falling in the woods with no one there to hear it.  It is pointless to look for such a thing and any thought about it has been proven to be a wasted thought.  There is a very high likelihood that if even a very few of these actually existed, we would already know.

 

6 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

 I'm not putting words in your mouth so please don't do that to me.  By inconsequential I mean:

 

never to be found

never to have any impact on humanity in any way

so pretty much the same as non-existent

 

The Goldilocks zone?  Shirley you can't be serious.  

 

Never to have any impact on OUR humanity is VERY different from not existing. You are unfamiliar with the Goldilocks zone? Close enough to star to be warm enough for life, not so far to be too cold. If you are unfamiliar with the term, you should just read here and not post. I mean that politely, I swear. It’s a very real thing. 

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3 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I used the word and you misunderstood or changed its meaning.

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1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said:

I used the word and you misunderstood or changed its meaning.

 

I do not have the power to change the meaning of a word. If I could wish for a Super Power, that would probably not be high on my list. 

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1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said:

I used the word and you misunderstood or changed its meaning.

 Lol hey. I see you came back again to repeat the same ol *****. Wash rinse repeat. Don't you ever get tired of coming back to this same old thread to repeat yourself over and over. To a thread that you have labeled stupid, loony etc?

 

Yup, like a dog in heat

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14 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Maybe @4merper4mer needs to see the size of the universe video.

 

 

It's like really big.

 

Awesome! We are making progress. I think he has gone from impossible to inconsequential. Now we just need to decide who determines what is inconsequential. I think reality is consequential, so he probably won’t vote for me as arbitrator. 

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53 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

 

Never to have any impact on OUR humanity is VERY different from not existing. You are unfamiliar with the Goldilocks zone? Close enough to star to be warm enough for life, not so far to be too cold. If you are unfamiliar with the term, you should just read here and not post. I mean that politely, I swear. It’s a very real thing. 

I know full well what the Goldilocks zone represents.  I lol'ed it because it means very little and that has been proven.  It's like saying you can't make a supercollider without aluminum and then saying you're almost done because you bought a roll of Reynolds wrap.

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