Fairley vs Newton

[K Gun Special]

Ah yes, pass on the best football player in the draft who happens to play where the Bills lack the most talent, because he might not fit a scheme we run sometimes.

 

Very Jauron-esque thinking. That leads us to a team void of real talent.

 

Take the biggest, meanest, best player available and get him on the field next to Kyle Williams. It wont matter what scheme youre running. Theyll make plays.

 

That being said, Fairley wont be there at 3 anyways...

 

 

Jauron thinking is taking a player who doesnt fit the scheme you are running. you dont pick a DT at 3 when you want to play the 3-4 and need a NT.

 

They only played 4 man front bc they didnt have the players. They are transitioning to a 3-4 and that will be their primary defense. If Fairley doesnt fit that scheme you dont take him.

[ajzepp]

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

:lol:

 

 

 

Take the biggest, meanest, best player available and get him on the field next to Kyle Williams. It wont matter what scheme youre running. Theyll make plays.

 

 

hell and yes

[CosmicBills]

With RR taking the Carolina Head Coaching job I'll be shocked if he doesn't take Fairley #1. That sucks.

[Ozymandius]

Newton played poorly. Both QBs did. Maybe the long layoff and slippery field affected these prolific offenses but that game was a mess.

 

I'm intrigued by Newton as a physical specimen with a normal throwing motion (unlike Vince Young or Tebow) but he is a project for sure and dumb. Would not mind if the Bills took a chance on him but would not care if they didn't also.

[DrDawkinstein]

Jauron thinking is taking a player who doesnt fit the scheme you are running. you dont pick a DT at 3 when you want to play the 3-4 and need a NT.

 

They only played 4 man front bc they didnt have the players. They are transitioning to a 3-4 and that will be their primary defense. If Fairley doesnt fit that scheme you dont take him.

 

Players as talented as Fairley fit EVERY scheme. He can play DT in a 4-3, or DE in a 3-4. I'd love to see him in a 3-4 with Williams and Carrington down the line.

 

The last regime didnt think Ngata fit their scheme and they passed. Since then he has proven he can play in ANY scheme.

 

I dont care if you are running a 3-4, 4-3, 5-2, or a 2-5. Put Fairley next to Kyle Williams and let them work.

 

Williams wasnt even supposed to come close to making the transition and he proved that it doesnt matter. As long as you got a big nasty on your DLine, they WILL make plays.

 

Drafting for scheme just puts you in a position to leave talent on the draft board.

 

No team in the league sticks to one defense fulltime anyways.

 

Get the best DLineman possible, and put him on the field. All you need to say is "Sick 'Em!"

Edited January 11, 2011 by DrDankenstein

[ajzepp]

Players as talented as Fairley fit EVERY scheme. He can play DT in a 4-3, or DE in a 3-4. I'd love to see him in a 3-4 with Williams and Carrington down the line.

 

The last regime didnt think Ngata fit their scheme and they passed. Since then he has proven he can play in ANY scheme.

 

I dont care if you are running a 3-4, 4-3, 5-2, or a 2-5. Put Fairley next to Kyle Williams and let them work.

 

Williams wasnt even supposed to come close to making the transition and he proved that it doesnt matter. As long as you got a big nasty on your DLine, they WILL make plays.

 

Drafting for scheme just puts you in a position to leave talent on the draft board.

 

No team in the league sticks to one defense fulltime anyways.

 

Get the best DLineman possible, and put him on the field. All you need to say is "Sick 'Em!"

 

Agreed. Any scheme you run will be crap unless you have play makers. Fairley is such a player. Thankfully, he's not the only one, though...so git'r'done, Buddy!

[DrDawkinstein]

Agreed. Any scheme you run will be crap unless you have play makers. Fairley is such a player. Thankfully, he's not the only one, though...so git'r'done, Buddy!

 

Yep, Im just scared that Fairley is on such another level that Bowers/Dareus/Quinn wont be able to compare. Ive watched a lot of Fairley and Darues all year, and a handful of Bowers... and Fairley has always been the lead pick.

 

I'm worried about taking the "second tier" guys at #3. Not saying that they arent still top talent. But drafting so early, I want THE best!

 

Edit: just looked over some past drafts going as far back as 2000, and I feel a little better. lots of first round DL have made impacts for their teams, even if they were the 5th off the board. very nice.

Edited January 11, 2011 by DrDankenstein

[ajzepp]

Yep, Im just scared that Fairley is on such another level that Bowers/Dareus/Quinn wont be able to compare. Ive watched a lot of Fairley and Darues all year, and a handful of Bowers... and Fairley has always been the lead pick.

 

I'm worried about taking the "second tier" guys at #3. Not saying that they arent still top talent. But drafting so early, I want THE best!

 

Edit: just looked over some past drafts going as far back as 2000, and I feel a little better. lots of first round DL have made impacts for their teams, even if they were the 5th off the board. very nice.

 

Well, if we do happen to get a second tier player at #3, at least that's better than another Maybin/McCargo/Flowers type of miss, lol. But yeah, if we can actually pick a difference maker for our Dline, I think it will make a significant difference on the D. Kyle can't do it alone, although he sure gave it a hell of an effort.

[Green Lightning]

I guess what I was trying to say in a round about way, is that our best defensive player better fits into a 4-3 scheme, we have a player who is just horrid when they tried to convert him from a 4-3 DE to a 3-4 OLB (and was not too bad when playing as a 4-3 DE) and a chance to draft a very VERY disruptive 4-3 DT to play beside Williams ...... who in their right mind still insists on playing a 3-4????

 

Point taken. We need talent and we're short of it. You look at a guy like McCargo and he's the same size as Fairley and you wonder what the Hell the difference is. Fairley looks to be just a pure D lineman and lined up next to KW you have like that.

[Scraps]

Jauron thinking is taking a player who doesnt fit the scheme you are running. you dont pick a DT at 3 when you want to play the 3-4 and need a NT.

 

They only played 4 man front bc they didnt have the players. They are transitioning to a 3-4 and that will be their primary defense. If Fairley doesnt fit that scheme you dont take him.

 

A good coach fits the scheme to the players. Doesn't say much about the Bills as they constantly change schemes regardless of the players they have. :wallbash:

Edited January 11, 2011 by Scraps

[reddogblitz]

Jauron thinking is taking a player who doesnt fit the scheme you are running. you dont pick a DT at 3 when you want to play the 3-4 and need a NT.

 

They only played 4 man front bc they didnt have the players. They are transitioning to a 3-4 and that will be their primary defense. If Fairley doesnt fit that scheme you dont take him.

If you can get Nick you put him next to Kyle in the middle and play a 4-3 and stop the run for a change. It's not rocket science. We're not married to the 3-4.

[Bufcomments]

If I were the Bills and they had a chance at Fairly AND Matthews I take both of them in a heartbeat.

 

I don't care if Fairly cheap shots Brady...heck I for one would love to see it happen lol

 

We need some talent at DT and I don't care if a DT has some issues, he's got what I want in a DT ...a mean ass attitude and a taste for QB's.

 

Speaking of QB's Newton is not a top ten pick...but somebody will take a chance on him in the first round.

[Buffaloed in Pa]

I know Fairly is a good player but really he has been left unblocked so many times this game. I want to see him actually shed some blockers.

 

PTR

I saw this also. When there was someone in front of him, he didn`t look so good.

[KD in CA]

I saw this also. When there was someone in front of him, he didn`t look so good.

 

 

I disagree with that. He made several plays other than the two early ones where they didn't block him. There was the play where he powered through a double team and hammered the RB for a loss. And the sack when he was blocked one and one and tore right through the guy.

[Maddog69]

I saw a lot of comments from sports writers (like Jason Whitlock and Jay Glazer) stating that Fairley needs a ton of work on technique.

They said he comes out of his stances too high and would get eaten alive by NFL linemen.

[reddogblitz]

He did get 2 sacks in the first half where he was unblocked. In the second half he made some nice plays. Wasn't as dominating as I had hoped for. Definitely saw him take some plays off. He's no Bruce or Aaron Schobel Randy White or Minister of Defense, but I'd probably still take him.

Edited January 11, 2011 by reddogblitz

[Watchin_at_Jimmys]

I've seen three deep balls where the WR was completely wide open. One for a score, one down to the ten and one badly overthrown. Other than that, he's completed one medium range pass over about 8 yards downfield -- the first TD which was also a wide open WR sitting down in a zone who then ran it in. Every other play he's either looked to run first or dump the ball off and his guys get good RAC against an overmatched defense that can't pressure the QB or maintain coverage.

 

And that's all fine and well and they're going to win a championship and he deserves his Heisman Trophy and place on the lists of best seasons by a college quarterback. But to think this style/skill set is vastly different from every other 'dual-threat' college QB from the last 30 years is fantasy. Is he really going to run that QB draw for 20 yards on 3d and 12 and keep the drive going in the NFL? How many times is a team going to let him use his 6'6' 250 to pound into the line for a few yards? I don't think too many if they want a healthy QB (especially if he can't protect the ball any better than that).

 

I've seen nothing tonight to make me think this guy should be a high draft pick.

 

Full disclosure - I'm a first year AU fan. I have seen all their games this year (my son is a freshman there). I'm also a lifelong Bills fan, going all the way back to the Rockpile in 1960.

 

Cam has been spectacular many times this season, but last night was not one of them. While good, AU should have had 3 more TDs if he had been accurate. That's the most I've seen hime miss wide open receivers - could wonder if his back injury was an issue. He still might be great as a pro, but if anyone had a foolproof way to evaluate whether a QB could be a star playing the game at NFL speed, just from looking at college performance and the Combine, they could write their own ticket. I think Cam is too much of a gamble.

 

Nick, on the other hand, has shown again and again this year that he is almost unblockable, unless you double or triple him - just what we need either in the middle at 3-4 or DT if we go back to 4-3. So the Bills should grab him if he's available at 3. While they are at it, they should get Ted Roof as DC. Love to see how he would scheme against Brady and the rest.