coastalpika Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 With all of the talk about Spiller I have yet to see anyone mention our 2nd round pick Torrell Troup. I was hoping that Nix and co may have found a diamond in the rough on this guy but I am not confident in what I have seen so far. Sure he is a young rookie and is going up against NFL offensive lineman now but I honestly cannot think of one good play he turned in for us and he did receive a significant amount of snaps. Every time I focused on him during a game I noticed him getting blown back off the line by one offensive lineman.. It seemed he would just try to bull rush the lineman head on and would fail miserably at it. When he was drafted the hope would be he would be a big space-eater that demands two lineman but I honestly don't know if he has the athletic ability to do so. Hopefully he proves me wrong.. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 TT needs to spend a lot of time in the off-season working on his game. It's not that uncommon for a rookie to struggle during their rookie year. Let's see how dedicated he is to getting better and how hard he works at improving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JinWPB Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Considering the number of snaps he played as a rookie , he did pretty good 23 tackles, 2 passes defended. As a side note McarcanGo had 1 tackle all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 With all of the talk about Spiller I have yet to see anyone mention our 2nd round pick Torrell Troup. I was hoping that Nix and co may have found a diamond in the rough on this guy but I am not confident in what I have seen so far. Sure he is a young rookie and is going up against NFL offensive lineman now but I honestly cannot think of one good play he turned in for us and he did receive a significant amount of snaps. Every time I focused on him during a game I noticed him getting blown back off the line by one offensive lineman.. It seemed he would just try to bull rush the lineman head on and would fail miserably at it. When he was drafted the hope would be he would be a big space-eater that demands two lineman but I honestly don't know if he has the athletic ability to do so. Hopefully he proves me wrong.. Thoughts? i agree with ya....watching DT's is my favorite thing to do at the games. Terrelle Troup is WEAK !!!....the only penetration he ever gets is on pass plays when the offensive lineman takes a step back. on most running plays he gets pushed back by one guy. in addition he does one of the craziest things i have ever seen a DT do. right after the snap, on his second step, he severely crimps/bends his left leg so that his knee cap turns in and then down, putting most of his weight on his right leg. it's like he is trying to get leverage by going low, but loses all his push/strength. on short yardage, one yard run plays he gets knocked back farther than even mccargo does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Considering the number of snaps he played as a rookie , he did pretty good 23 tackles, 2 passes defended. As a side note McarcanGo had 1 tackle all season. Troup, like Carrington, did fine. Played a ton, now know how to prepare for next season. They, like D Bell and the other newbie o line guys will get stronger and bigger in the offseason.. and will come back ready for better play next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester43 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 if either one of those guys turns into a dominant player i'll be shocked. as bad as this defense was as a unit, the fact that they were invisible (at a position the bills were already very weak at)is a very bad sign. by contrast, moats at least looked good as the season went on...which is what you'd expect of a legit up-and-comer on a crap team. the 2010 draft was another bad one, and we're gonna be pointing at these two in two years as proof nix needs to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsObserver Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Whoa whoa whoa. Calm down guys. BOTH of these guys were brought along very slowly this season. Hell, Carrington was inactive for the first several games while Troupe would only get the occasional snap. Toward the end of the season their playing time picked up but lets be real folks - NOBODY on this D produced results in the last 2 games. I believe most of the guys checked out before the last game because of injuries on both sides of the ball. As much as the Bills brass didn't want to say it (because of how impatient we are as fans) - both of these guys were long term (2-3 years) projects. I believe Troupe has the work ethic to make it work. The day after his season ended he tweeted the following: "Man i couldnt sleep last night i was so excited and so many thoughts about how i can get better this off season." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester43 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) wtf? how the hell is a team as bad as ours taking 2-3 yr projects in the 2nd round?! you're telling me that by the time the second round comes we're already drafting "projects?" then nix and gailey are worse than i thought! Edited January 9, 2011 by jester43 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 wtf? how the hell is a team as bad as ours taking 2-3 yr projects in the 2nd round?! you're telling me that by the time the second round comes we're already drafting "projects?" then nix and gailey are worse than i thought! It's not that they're 2-3 yr projects, even though many rookies are, it's that they came from smaller colleges where the adjustment to the pro game might be a bit more than the avg. major conference draftee. Also, look at what the other two big time prospects have done this year in relation to where they were drafted. Cody and Thomas I believe. It's not like they whiffed yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Defensive linemen tend to be slow developers. They need to pick up a lot of strength after college, and hone their instincts more than most positions, especially if they're not top-flight prospects. Troup didn't do anything to impress me, but I think I'm willing to give them some slack there. Carrington actually did show some real flashes, so I'm excited about him next year. But because I can't help being at least a little negative, RBs definitely aren't the late bloomers DLs are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsObserver Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 wtf? how the hell is a team as bad as ours taking 2-3 yr projects in the 2nd round?! you're telling me that by the time the second round comes we're already drafting "projects?" then nix and gailey are worse than i thought! Good lord some people are just...Nevermind. IF YOU DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD TAKE 2-3 YEARS TO REBUILD THIS MESS OF A TEAM NIX/GAILEY ACQUIRED THEN YOU ARE PRETTY NAIVE. If Troupe and Carrington are as good as the Good Ol' Boys think they will be in a few years (maybe as soon as next year), then the wait will be worth it. Yes they could have taken someone who may have started quicker but longterm these guys have more potential in the eyes of Nix and company. Look at the best teams in the league, they're loaded with talent up and down the team. Why? Because they build within. They develop players, they let them learn and when the time is right they plug them in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Most big-men need a couple of years of NFL strength training and technique improvement to become good starting players. It is actually pretty rare for DL to make a big impact as rookies. Those that do are the truly exceptional players and I'd venture to say probably rely on speed and quickness as their main weapon, whereas Troup and Carrington are built to be power players. Further, it is just totally unrealistic to think that every 2nd round draft choice is ready to come in and play at a high level as a rookie. You can wish and hope it, but check the last 10 drafts. It is more the exception than the rule where 2nd round picks show up and play like seasoned vets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) I agree 100% with the OP. I have been calling Troup a shopping cart all season because of how easy he was pushed around. He didnt get on the field too often so it was easy to watch him on tha majority of his snaps and I can only remember 2 or 3 times he was stout. He was routinely blown out of the hole by the G or pushed into the 2nd level when double teamed. Carrington actually looked very good and I was suprised he wasnt on the field much much more. I was hoping for Grons/Spikes in teh 2nd the entire offseason and never would have expected Clausen/Lamarr Houston falling to us. I wish Troupe was better than he is but I cant see this guy ever manning the Nose. I also am calling schenanigans on the FALSE notion that it takes DLmen a while to adjust. Maybe it takes medicro DLman a while to adjust but not good ones. Look at all the other guys taken last year - they all played and produced. JPP played 10 college games and he didnt have to adjust. Suh was an all pro. Lamarr Houston started for Oak and he went after Troupe. This stinkin freak EXCUSE needs to go. Other teams draft good players and they start right/contribute right away. The Bills draft bad players who cant play. Get used t oit. Edited January 9, 2011 by Thoner7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Most big-men need a couple of years of NFL strength training and technique improvement to become good starting players. It is actually pretty rare for DL to make a big impact as rookies. Those that do are the truly exceptional players and I'd venture to say probably rely on speed and quickness as their main weapon, whereas Troup and Carrington are built to be power players. Further, it is just totally unrealistic to think that every 2nd round draft choice is ready to come in and play at a high level as a rookie. You can wish and hope it, but check the last 10 drafts. It is more the exception than the rule where 2nd round picks show up and play like seasoned vets. Unrealistic expectations are what we're all about. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Unrealistic expectations are what we're all about. PTR Why is it unrealistic to expect the Bills to draft good players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Apparently he had a nice game against the Steelers: http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2010/12/15/re-focused-week-14-browns-at-bills/ I vaguely remember that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Why is it unrealistic to expect the Bills to draft good players? It's stupid to determine if a player is good or not after one season though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 I also am calling schenanigans on the FALSE notion that it takes DLmen a while to adjust. Maybe it takes mediocre DLman a while to adjust but not good ones. Look at all the other guys taken last year - they all played and produced. JPP played 10 college games and he didnt have to adjust. Suh was an all pro. Lamarr Houston started for Oak and he went after Troupe. This stinkin freak EXCUSE needs to go. Other teams draft good players and they start right/contribute right away. The Bills draft bad players who cant play. Get used to it. If we're going to be fair Thoner, it should be mentioned that there were three other "nose tackle type" players that were being harped upon last year at this time and leading up to the draft: Dan Williams Terrence Cody Cam Thomas Williams (26th overall) did very little on a very bad Arizona Cardinals defense. He was schooled this year, looking lost most of the season. Cody (57th overall and a TSW favorite) saw very few snaps after failing his conditioning test as a rookie with the Baltimore Ravens. Thomas (146th overall) did have two sacks…among his 5 total tackles. Troup (41st overall) had as good if not a better year than any of the other top nose tackle prospects. Troup also is listed at 315 pounds but played near 350 earlier in his college career. He took up running to slim down and increase his endurance because he didn't want to be a fat piece of poop. He's a dedicated athlete. If he needs to bulk up, I'm sure he will. As for Troup's strength, probably he'll need to increase his lower body strength but at the combine he had 34 bench presses which is an excellent number. Troup was a 3.5 year starter in college and a team captain. I have zero concerns that this guy will become a good starter on this team…regardless of what position he plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumbalaya Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 IMO Troup showed very little. Picked way too high in the 2nd round, played like a 5th rounder at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 (edited) i agree with ya....watching DT's is my favorite thing to do at the games. Terrelle Troup is WEAK !!!....the only penetration he ever gets is on pass plays when the offensive lineman takes a step back. on most running plays he gets pushed back by one guy. in addition he does one of the craziest things i have ever seen a DT do. right after the snap, on his second step, he severely crimps/bends his left leg so that his knee cap turns in and then down, putting most of his weight on his right leg. it's like he is trying to get leverage by going low, but loses all his push/strength. on short yardage, one yard run plays he gets knocked back farther than even mccargo does. i would also like to add that overall last years NFL draft class seems to be one of the weakest in years. i also have a feeling unlike spiller....Terrell Troupe was NOT the best available player on buddy's board....that he picked the biggest need knowing they were switching to a 3-4 defense. i think they had their hearts set on Tebow. Edited January 9, 2011 by papazoid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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