The Big Cat Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 So tell me later in that game when we are driving for the winning score, wide open receiver in the middle of the field and FItz throws the ball 15 feet over his head for the interception. He has had numerous chances to when the game is on the line and has not performed. Below is a list of the pass defenses we have faced this year and their ranks. We have faced only 1 top 10 defense and 2 inside the top 15. The stats do not look that impressive in that light. Rk Team 10 Baltimore Ravens 14 Miami Dolphins 16 Green Bay Packers 17 New York Jets 19 Chicago Bears 22 Kansas City Chiefs 28 Jacksonville Jaguars 30 New England Patriots Those rankings are ypg. Whoopty ****. Sorting by this stat puts us at the 6th best pass defense in the league. DO YOU THINK WE HAVE THE 6TH BEST PASS DEFENSE IN THE LEAGUE? When Fits starts actually winning some games when it's on the line (he's certainly had has chances), you be sure to let me know. That's the difference between Fit z and Peyton - Peyton is, often times, the hero and Fitz isn't. One guy has a Super Bowl Ring and will be a first ballot hall of famer, the other will be an offensive quality control coach for the Cleveland Browns 3 years from now. So he's had six tries, you've seen enough, time to move on. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 So tell me later in that game when we are driving for the winning score, wide open receiver in the middle of the field and FItz throws the ball 15 feet over his head for the interception. He has had numerous chances to when the game is on the line and has not performed. Below is a list of the pass defenses we have faced this year and their ranks. We have faced only 1 top 10 defense and 2 inside the top 15. The stats do not look that impressive in that light. Rk Team 10 Baltimore Ravens 14 Miami Dolphins 16 Green Bay Packers 17 New York Jets 19 Chicago Bears 22 Kansas City Chiefs 28 Jacksonville Jaguars 30 New England Patriots lol, i don't know where you got your numbers from...are you talking about strictly pass-defenses in the league? If you are, I think the Bills rank 6th in the league on pass defense...not a great indicator of our overall defense would you say? Least points allowed per game in the league: New York Jets ranked #2 Bears ranked #3 Packers ranked #5 Ravens ranked #6 Chiefs ranked #7 Dolphins at #18 Pats #24 Jags#30 Those rankings are ypg. Whoopty ****. Sorting by this stat puts us at the 6th best pass defense in the league. DO YOU THINK WE HAVE THE 6TH BEST PASS DEFENSE IN THE LEAGUE? So he's had six tries, you've seen enough, time to move on. Got it. It's pointless to argue man..they even go out of their way to skew stats that are meaningless just to prove their ridiculous points.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Those rankings are ypg. Whoopty ****. Sorting by this stat puts us at the 6th best pass defense in the league. DO YOU THINK WE HAVE THE 6TH BEST PASS DEFENSE IN THE LEAGUE? Yes I do. We have damn good corners and secondary. One of the best in the league. BUT our run D is atrocious. With Fitz we know what we have, and he is already at his top level. YOu cannot dismiss the gact that when we need him to step up big, he throws costly int's. Go back and look at every game this year he played in. The difference between good and great qb's is that they make the plays when you need them. Fitz is a baller, I will give him that. He is not the Guy i want leading me to the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 What i find interesting is that we would even blame Fitz (and I am hearing it on the radio and here) for this loss. Would people rather that the bills had stuck with Trent Edwards and his 5 yard passes and hopefully get a field goal? - Fitz actually takes shots at the end zone.....he tries to WIN - He throws the ball into tight spots - When you throw the ball into tight spots sometimes it gets pick - This is why he needs a Tight End safety valve.....Tight Ends tend to come up with balls in traffic better. We can win with Fitz....he is respected in the locker room and is a good fit for Gailey's offense. If we could run the ball OR if we could have created turnovers we win this game. We get NO pressure on opposing QB's....I mean ZERO that is why we lose. That and we have maybe ONE NFL caliber linebacker (and maybe two now with Merriman) We should have drafted Gronkowski @2 instead of Troupe, which would have given us a great talent and a local guy plus stolen him one pick ahead of the pats Definitely need a pass rusher and Robert Quinn could be had if we trade back and then use the extra pick to trade back into the first to get LOT Anthony Castonzo from Boston College. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Wow - the TBD pro personnel experts are at it agian Fitz is a suitable NFL backup, is wildly inaccurate, and that's it! Holy ****! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JStranger76 Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 The TBD pro personel experts would have probably gotten this team about 50 more wins this last decade unfortunately.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Yes I do. We have damn good corners and secondary. One of the best in the league. BUT our run D is atrocious. With Fitz we know what we have, and he is already at his top level. YOu cannot dismiss the gact that when we need him to step up big, he throws costly int's. Go back and look at every game this year he played in. The difference between good and great qb's is that they make the plays when you need them. Fitz is a baller, I will give him that. He is not the Guy i want leading me to the future. Step up big, you mean like when he went 9-11 for over 100 yards on 3rd down today? Yes I do. We have damn good corners and secondary. One of the best in the league. BUT our run D is atrocious. With Fitz we know what we have, and he is already at his top level. YOu cannot dismiss the gact that when we need him to step up big, he throws costly int's. Go back and look at every game this year he played in. The difference between good and great qb's is that they make the plays when you need them. Fitz is a baller, I will give him that. He is not the Guy i want leading me to the future. You think we have one of the best pass D's in the league. Too bad you left the window open, your last speck of credibility has just been whisked away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Although Fitz his getting his @ss handed to him today but the fans...I agree with this. John, what Fitz is getting is mostly deserved. When we "need" the big play, the accurate throw, long or short, he goes wildly inaccurate. Most do appreciate the rest of his game, but it is maddeningly frustration to watch high throw after wild throw in the dirt, over the head, or into the opponents hands at key moments of the game. I like the guy, his never quit play, but he's a heartbreaker who will get you close and then let you down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 So he's had six tries, you've seen enough, time to move on. Got it. He has actually had 3 years of being a starting QB, and I cannot tell you 1 memorale win where Fitz steppd up and won his team the game. Fitz is a gamer but he has proven time and time again that he cannot win on a consistent basis. He has all the mental tools but his physical limitations kill any chance of him being a franchise QB. He is a good stop gap qb to teach a young guy (Luck Mallett) to play in the NFL, but he is not the franchise You agreed with someone who compared Fitz to Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, yet i have no cred? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 (edited) He has actually had 3 years of being a starting QB, and I cannot tell you 1 memorale win where Fitz steppd up and won his team the game. Okay, I'll show you three, two of them for Buffalo. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=FitzRy00 Sorry, forgot the link. Edited November 8, 2010 by The Big Cat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Avenger Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 So he's had six tries, you've seen enough, time to move on. Got it. I think this is why Buffalo still has fans - there's always some people who really think any given guy just needs a few more chances and he's gonna be the answer - the same people who supported Trent Edwards, JP Losman, Kelly Holcomb....as fans we never actually seem to demand more - it seems like if you try hard and put forth a good effort that's good enough. That's great for Pop Warner, but this is the NFL - I don't care how hard you try, how much you really want to win, how nice of a guy you are - it's about winning and when you blow your last three chances I'm not giving you a pass and I'm certainly not willing to say we can build a team around you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 I think this is why Buffalo still has fans - there's always some people who really think any given guy just needs a few more chances and he's gonna be the answer - the same people who supported Trent Edwards, JP Losman, Kelly Holcomb....as fans we never actually seem to demand more - it seems like if you try hard and put forth a good effort that's good enough. That's great for Pop Warner, but this is the NFL - I don't care how hard you try, how much you really want to win, how nice of a guy you are - it's about winning and when you blow your last three chances I'm not giving you a pass and I'm certainly not willing to say we can build a team around you... Blew chances to win you say, but against Baltimore and KC he was THE reason we "had the chance." In both of those games we were LOSING before he led FG and TD drives late in the game that even gave us a prayer to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 The Colts have have one of the worst defenses in the league for a while now, Yet they are a constant threat to go to the superbowl. The reason is they have one of the best QB's to ever play the game. The Patriots have the 30th ranked D this year, yet are on top of the Division (or at least tied for) because (and is much as it pains me to say this) they have one of the best QB's in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnyguy Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 I think this is why Buffalo still has fans - there's always some people who really think any given guy just needs a few more chances and he's gonna be the answer - the same people who supported Trent Edwards, JP Losman, Kelly Holcomb....as fans we never actually seem to demand more - it seems like if you try hard and put forth a good effort that's good enough. That's great for Pop Warner, but this is the NFL - I don't care how hard you try, how much you really want to win, how nice of a guy you are - it's about winning and when you blow your last three chances I'm not giving you a pass and I'm certainly not willing to say we can build a team around you... Maybe you should root for the Patsies then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 The Colts have have one of the worst defenses in the league for a while now, Yet they are a constant threat to go to the superbowl. The reason is they have one of the best QB's to ever play the game. The Patriots have the 30th ranked D this year, yet are on top of the Division (or at least tied for) because (and is much as it pains me to say this) they have one of the best QB's in the game. So the most reasonable course of action would be to rely on the draft for the next Manning or Brady to fall onto our roster. Yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Maybe you should root for the Patsies then? Right, because every fan of the team that does not beleieve in FItz should go become a fan of the Pats* So the most reasonable course of action would be to rely on the draft for the next Manning or Brady to fall onto our roster. Yeah. If you have the chance to draft a QB of that caliber then you do it, plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Right, because every fan of the team that does not beleieve in FItz should go become a fan of the Pats* If you have the chance to draft a QB of that caliber then you do it, plain and simple. And that QB is whom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnyguy Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Right, because every fan of the team that does not beleieve in FItz should go become a fan of the Pats* Fitz is our QB right now and he is playing well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 Fitz is our QB right now and he is playing well. I agree he is playing well, i just dont think he is the solution to the Bills problems at QB. And that QB is whom? Andrew Luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnyguy Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 If the guy they want is there at QB we take him, if not we stick with Fitz and get some defensive help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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