boyst Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 What former Bill has gone on to have the best career after leaving? Any I am missing? Jack Kemp, Senator Steve Tasker, broadcaster Don Beebe, coach Frank Reich, Coach Dean Cain, actor? OJ Simpson, murder and criminal Travis Henry, drug runner Ross Tucker, Radio host Mark Kelso, commentator Ray Bentley, TV analyst Joe Ferguson, former Coach at Alabama James Lofton - WR Coach for Chargers If you go on mere fame post-career, it has to be OJ. Jack Kemp must be the most successful, though. Who else has done what else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 i dont know man. if youre talking most succussful then id still go with oj. he was successful in everything he did he was dominating as an nfl running back he had a long movie career he killed two people and successfully got away with it scott free i mean he does it all. hes a triple threat and then some i guess he wasnt very good in collectables tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Pat Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyDingo Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Marv Levy went on to become a joke. Yeah, I said it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murra Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Mark Kelso, commentator Really man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 What former Bill has gone on to have the best career after leaving? Any I am missing?Jack Kemp, Senator Steve Tasker, broadcaster Don Beebe, coach Frank Reich, Coach Dean Cain, actor? OJ Simpson, murder and criminal Travis Henry, drug runner Ross Tucker, Radio host Mark Kelso, commentator Ray Bentley, TV analyst Joe Ferguson, former Coach at Alabama James Lofton - WR Coach for Chargers If you go on mere fame post-career, it has to be OJ. Jack Kemp must be the most successful, though. Who else has done what else? I have to give props to Ahmad Rahshad. He turned a decent pro-football career into an NFL broadcasting gig, and then, parlayed a friendship with Michael Jordan into a Hollywood marriage (Phylisha Rahshad- "Mrs Cosby", now divorced, and with a young hottie), and a seemingly lifetime gig as an NBA broadcaster. He has been in broadcasting for about 30 years, and he isn't particularly good at it. What a life... btw- don't leave out Paul Maguire, Chris Spielman and Marcellus Wiley off your list of ex-Bills in broadcasting. I realize most here hate Maguire, but I can't figure out why...I always enjoyed his work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrudginglyPessimistic Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 The real question you are asking here is this one: What is success? If your answer is accomplishing generally laudable tasks in your chosen profession, you would pick a person (with variations based on folks judgments about what is or is not laudable. If you judged success as having the impact you wanted on the most people your choice might be different than if you define success as having any impact on the most people you might choose another person. Personally, I would likely judge Jack Kemp as being the most successful as he was able to translate his fame and football accomplishments into a different career (member of Congress) and it was a pretty direct translation as he was able to gain a nationally influential seat by using his fame to command the seat with local political power. Through being a very bright guy, he was able to not simply use this seat gained through local power as a means to line the pockets of his local friends, but was able to translate this into having significant influence on national politics through efforts like the Kemp/Roth bill. Yet, ultimately he failed in his efforts to translate his locally based political wins in his Congressional seat into national power with his failed runs at the Presidency. Ultimately, I am quite glad he failed at his biggest efforts as I think in general his conservative ideas were no way for this country to accomplish great things. My sense is that ultimately as his biggest ideas were simply incorporated into the American machine and really did not change the way our country worked (we were fiscally irresponsible before Kemp/Roth and we were fiscally irresponsible after, it is a fair question to raise as to though his actions made a big difference in how we did things as a nation it did not change the eventual outcomes and effects of what we did. Like OJ, in the end Kemps actions may have changed the way things happen but they were full of sound and fury but signified nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 The real question you are asking here is this one: What is success? If your answer is accomplishing generally laudable tasks in your chosen profession, you would pick a person (with variations based on folks judgments about what is or is not laudable. If you judged success as having the impact you wanted on the most people your choice might be different than if you define success as having any impact on the most people you might choose another person. Personally, I would likely judge Jack Kemp as being the most successful as he was able to translate his fame and football accomplishments into a different career (member of Congress) and it was a pretty direct translation as he was able to gain a nationally influential seat by using his fame to command the seat with local political power. Through being a very bright guy, he was able to not simply use this seat gained through local power as a means to line the pockets of his local friends, but was able to translate this into having significant influence on national politics through efforts like the Kemp/Roth bill. Yet, ultimately he failed in his efforts to translate his locally based political wins in his Congressional seat into national power with his failed runs at the Presidency. Ultimately, I am quite glad he failed at his biggest efforts as I think in general his conservative ideas were no way for this country to accomplish great things. My sense is that ultimately as his biggest ideas were simply incorporated into the American machine and really did not change the way our country worked (we were fiscally irresponsible before Kemp/Roth and we were fiscally irresponsible after, it is a fair question to raise as to though his actions made a big difference in how we did things as a nation it did not change the eventual outcomes and effects of what we did. Like OJ, in the end Kemps actions may have changed the way things happen but they were full of sound and fury but signified nothing. Kemp was the leader of H.U.D. and had a lot of influence on policy. As for signifying nothing, look at politicians with a long lens, and they all turn out that way. Kemp had a lot of influence in terms of short and even medium-range effects of his views and politics. I was never a huge Kemp fan as a politician, but I admired the way that he thought for himself and on different issues, took stances from all over the political spectrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Kemp 1st Shottenhiemer 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermike Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Major-party candidate for Vice President is pretty freaking hard to top. Until Brad Butler moves into the White House, I think that's going to be the gold standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach55 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Flutie became a drummer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Ed Rutkowski seems like an obvious one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 What former Bill has gone on to have the best career after leaving? Any I am missing?Jack Kemp, Senator Steve Tasker, broadcaster Don Beebe, coach Frank Reich, Coach Dean Cain, actor? OJ Simpson, murder and criminal Travis Henry, drug runner Ross Tucker, Radio host Mark Kelso, commentator Ray Bentley, TV analyst Joe Ferguson, former Coach at Alabama James Lofton - WR Coach for Chargers If you go on mere fame post-career, it has to be OJ. Jack Kemp must be the most successful, though. Who else has done what else? Kemp by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Kemp wasn't a senator...he was a congressman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloaggie Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Kemp wasn't a senator...he was a congressman. Wow, it took this long for someone to point that out No question, it's Kemp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonian-at-Heart Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 The real question you are asking here is this one: What is success? If your answer is accomplishing generally laudable tasks in your chosen profession, you would pick a person (with variations based on folks judgments about what is or is not laudable. If you judged success as having the impact you wanted on the most people your choice might be different than if you define success as having any impact on the most people you might choose another person. Personally, I would likely judge Jack Kemp as being the most successful as he was able to translate his fame and football accomplishments into a different career (member of Congress) and it was a pretty direct translation as he was able to gain a nationally influential seat by using his fame to command the seat with local political power. Through being a very bright guy, he was able to not simply use this seat gained through local power as a means to line the pockets of his local friends, but was able to translate this into having significant influence on national politics through efforts like the Kemp/Roth bill. Yet, ultimately he failed in his efforts to translate his locally based political wins in his Congressional seat into national power with his failed runs at the Presidency. Ultimately, I am quite glad he failed at his biggest efforts as I think in general his conservative ideas were no way for this country to accomplish great things. My sense is that ultimately as his biggest ideas were simply incorporated into the American machine and really did not change the way our country worked (we were fiscally irresponsible before Kemp/Roth and we were fiscally irresponsible after, it is a fair question to raise as to though his actions made a big difference in how we did things as a nation it did not change the eventual outcomes and effects of what we did. Like OJ, in the end Kemps actions may have changed the way things happen but they were full of sound and fury but signified nothing. Yawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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