Tebow looks like a NFL QB tonight

[Flbillsfan#1]

Virtually all those guys won national championships and were flops, they all won Heisman's and were flops. Besides, thats a ridiculous question any way. I could just as easily justify drafting anyone named "Montana" by asking, can you name me an NFL QB named "Montana" that hasn't made it to the hall of fame? Winning the heisman especially is just about the worst justification you could give for drafting a guy in the first round.

Tell me how many heisman's Jim Kelly won? How many national championships did Marino win? Winning those is no more proof of NFL success than not winning them is proof that a player won't make it in the pros. Kelly and Marino didn't have the college resume that Tebow has but they had some things that he doesn't. Like an NFL caliber arm.

 

I know it would be a great lollipops and unicorns story for Tebow to go on to greater success, no one likes to see a great story end. But that is what the NFL is for a lot of players save a lucky few, where their dreams come to an end.

Yes there have been Heisman winners that were flops in the NFL & NOT just at the QB position. FEW College QB's have won the amount of awards Tebow has won while setting records that will stand for a long time like 20 passing TD's & 20 rushing TD's in the same year. To just dismiss one of the GREATEST college players EVER & call him a bust before he is drafted is just STUPID.

[Cynical]

Again, I don't follow college ball, but from reading your post and several others like it, I'd think Tebow had a terrible game yesterday. But the reality is that he put up 482 in the air with a grand total of 533 yards (more than anyone in the history of the Bowl Championship Series). Oh, and he had four TDs. I just don't get how someone so slow and limp armed ends up winning the Sugar Bowl with those type of stats.

 

I am not arguing here, just trying to understand.

 

Strange. I thought the Outback Bowl was a BCS bowl. If so, than Northwestern's Kafka should get props for shattering the yardage record.

 

Kafka's stats: Outback Bowl Box Score

 

Passing - 47 of 78 for 532 yards, 4 TD, 5 INT

Rushing - 20 for 34 yards, 1 TD

 

532 + 34 = 566 yards

566 > 533

 

The only thing I can figure is the Outback went into overtime, and they do not count yardage gained during the OT.

Otherwise, WTF?

[Flbillsfan#1]

+1

 

Just say no to Tebow. He's like a Flutie on steroids.

I would love to have a Flutie on steroids as my QB.

[MRM33064]

College football history is littered with guys who won championships and Heismans and who were NFL flops.

 

Take Danny Wuerffel ..... the point being that a guy can have a great, great, unbelievably great college career and not have a ghost of a chance to make it in the NFL. I wouldn't write the guy off by any means but I sure as hell wouldn't make him the keystone of a rebuilding project either.

 

Obviously there are specific examples that will illustrate any premise - great college players who busted in the NFL, great college players who were stars in the NFL, great NFL players who were largely invisible in college, etc. The question isn't whether we'd want Tebow - there isn't a GM in the league who wouldn't want to bring him in for a try - it's a question of acceptable price/risk in terms of draft position.

 

As to Wuerffel in particular, there was substantial consensus that his college success under Spurrier <cue angel harp music for Gator fans> wouldn't translate, which is why he wasn't selected until a later round.

 

Tebow will likely not last 98 picks.

[Ramius]

Yes there have been Heisman winners that were flops in the NFL & NOT just at the QB position. FEW College QB's have won the amount of awards Tebow has won while setting records that will stand for a long time like 20 passing TD's & 20 rushing TD's in the same year. To just dismiss one of the GREATEST college players EVER & call him a bust before he is drafted is just STUPID.

 

sorry, not impressed by a guy who puts up huge numbers against the likes of SW Georgia school for the blind. Ans don't give me that "SEC is great" crap. The SEC was bad this year. UF played 1 good team this year and got their asses stomped by 'Bama.

[Brandon]

What's wrong with Flutie? I'd happily take a larger version of Doug.

 

As long as he doesn't bring Doug Flutie's attitude, I'd be happy with it as well.

 

The truth is, I'm pretty sure that I like Tebow better than any other senior QB in this draft. Is he perfect? No. Would I draft him at 8 or whatever? Certainly not. On the other hand, the SOB can play football. Its a little ugly sometimes, but he gets the job done and although there are some serious flaws in his game and he's going to be a project, he's not without talent and one thing I do know is that if he fails, it won't be for lack of effort. I'll certainly take that over the million dollar arm, ten cent brain types that they usually bring in and speaking for myself, I wouldn't have any issue whatsoever taking a chance on the guy in round 3 and perhaps even in R2.

[MRM33064]

As long as he doesn't bring Doug Flutie's attitude, I'd be happy with it as well.

 

The truth is, I'm pretty sure that I like Tebow better than any other senior QB in this draft. Is he perfect? No. Would I draft him at 8 or whatever? Certainly not. On the other hand, the SOB can play football. Its a little ugly sometimes, but he gets the job done and although there are some serious flaws in his game and he's going to be a project, he's not without talent and one thing I do know is that if he fails, it won't be for lack of effort. I'll certainly take that over the million dollar arm, ten cent brain types that they usually bring in and speaking for myself, I wouldn't have any issue whatsoever taking a chance on the guy in round 3 and perhaps even in R2.

 

Well said. Also highly unlikely that the kid would be suspended by the league, a training camp holdout, etc.

[Deadstroke]

Forget about Tebow; what the Bills need is a QB from California. I'm thinking Tavita Pritchard would be perfect.

 

 

California? California?? Did you really say California? Yeah.....RIGHT!!!!! Pfffffft!!!

[Deadstroke]

You know one thing that makes me really scratch my chin is Kelley recommending Tebow so highly. Say what you want about Kelley, criticize the hell out of him and dump on him, but hey, if you think he doesn't know good QB'ing when he sees it you're not thinking straight. HOF QB and all that stuff, huh!!!

 

Anyway, he says the Bills should grab Tebow, he loves the Bills, so that really makes you think!!

[Numark]

did some just argue that there have been no flops in the nfl that were highly successful and decorated college players.....really? I am not taking sides or anything, but come on. There have been plenty. And my worry about him coming here is that he does seem like someone that could be great if developed right. But since when have we developed quarterbacks right? Do you guys really want that?

[Endless Ike]

Again, I don't follow college ball, but from reading your post and several others like it, I'd think Tebow had a terrible game yesterday. But the reality is that he put up 482 in the air with a grand total of 533 yards (more than anyone in the history of the Bowl Championship Series). Oh, and he had four TDs. I just don't get how someone so slow and limp armed ends up winning the Sugar Bowl with those type of stats.

 

I am not arguing here, just trying to understand.

 

he was playing the cincinatti bearcats, not the cincinatti bengals...look at the type of recruits on that team...few of those guys are going to the NFL, while UF has probably a dozen starters who are goign to wind up getting drafted

[cåblelady]

California? California?? Did you really say California? Yeah.....RIGHT!!!!! Pfffffft!!!

I think you missed his sarcasm detector.

[DrDawkinstein]

i dont get how/why people want to take the stance that he is DEFINITELY going to fail. none of us can predict the future.

 

lets face it, Tim Tebow is an incredibly driven, determined and dedicated athlete. the ONLY real knock on him is his mechanics, which can be coached. there isnt ONE QB who is projected to be able to come right in and play from this draft. theyre ALL projects and just as likely to fail as any other. the one thing Tebow showed that the others havent is an "above the game" will to win. he's already a leader of men and has the confidence and poise to command a unit down the field. the other Qb prospects remind me more of boys getting ready for their first job interview.

 

frankly, it doesnt matter what history says as far as how many successful college QBs made it in the NFL. everyone's story is different and unique. and whether he ends up successful or not can depend on the team and situation he ends up in.

 

i think people want to hate on this kid just because he gets so much love in the media. but he's done everything correctly to earn that attention, so the hating is just jealousy. does he have a lot of work ahead of him? for sure. am i confident that he will take that challenge head on? most definitely

[DrDawkinstein]

he was playing the cincinatti bearcats, not the cincinatti bengals...look at the type of recruits on that team...few of those guys are going to the NFL, while UF has probably a dozen starters who are goign to wind up getting drafted

 

are you saying that the Bearcats program is in a totally different class and doesnt deserve to be taken seriously when put up against teams like Florida???

 

doesnt that directly contradict everyone's argument for getting rid of the bowls and going to a playoff system???

 

or is this just a case of looking for a reason to dismiss the kid even though he put up a record breaking performance in a huge game???

 

which one is it? lesser programs like Cinci, TCU, Boise St arent nearly on the same level as the others and this game proved the demand for a playoff system isnt necessary? or Tebow actually played a really good game?

[thebug]

Great college QB who is not anywhere close to being able to QB in the NFL. This guy is a project if there ever was one and I would be ok with the Bills taking him, as long as the draft position reflected that.

[Fingon]

he was playing the cincinatti bearcats, not the cincinatti bengals...look at the type of recruits on that team...few of those guys are going to the NFL, while UF has probably a dozen starters who are goign to wind up getting drafted

I agree. Tebow is horrible against defenses that have actual NFL prospects on them (Alabama). Meanwhile, anyone Tebow has to face must contend with 1st round picks. Joe Haden, Brandon Spikes, and Carlos Dunlap will all be top 25 picks this year. Joe Haden will be a top 5 pick.

 

 

Tebow's scouting report is not that great.

[LynchMob23]

Again, I don't follow college ball, but from reading your post and several others like it, I'd think Tebow had a terrible game yesterday. But the reality is that he put up 482 in the air with a grand total of 533 yards (more than anyone in the history of the Bowl Championship Series). Oh, and he had four TDs. I just don't get how someone so slow and limp armed ends up winning the Sugar Bowl with those type of stats.

 

I am not arguing here, just trying to understand.

 

And Scribo that was against a 3-4, that he'd never seen up to this point (at least not a true 3-4; many team utilize the 3-3-5)

[Mr. WEO]

Brian Billick is breaking down Tim Tebow about as expert as can be. You couldn't get better insight on the guy that you are now. From his system, to his mechanics, to his head. GREAT analysis from Billick. Doesn't bode well for Tebow.

Yes, because Billick was known throughout the league for his keen eye for QB talent (Grbac, Tony Banks, and his greatest find--Kyle Boller).

 

Anyway....

 

When people are saying Tebow has problems with accuracy, exactly what are they judging him on? He has thrown for over 80 TDs in 3 seasons and has a career completion rate of 66%. Where's the inaccuracy hidden in there?

 

My favorite comment is "Quit being so impressed by quarterbacks surrounded by great talent." You're right--Peyton Manning, Brees and Warner have "bust written all over them".

 

aye, aye, aye.

 

Anyway--take a look at the great talent surrounding Tebow: not one WR in the top 50, not a RB in the top 50.

[Fingon]

Yes, because Billick was known throughout the league for his keen eye for QB talent (Grbac, Tony Banks, and his greatest find--Kyle Boller).

 

Anyway....

 

When people are saying Tebow has problems with accuracy, exactly what are they judging him on? He has thrown for over 80 TDs in 3 seasons and has a career completion rate of 66%. Where's the inaccuracy hidden in there?

 

My favorite comment is "Quit being so impressed by quarterbacks surrounded by great talent." You're right--Peyton Manning, Brees and Warner have "bust written all over them".

 

aye, aye, aye.

 

Anyway--take a look at the great talent surrounding Tebow: not one WR in the top 50, not a RB in the top 50.

If you can't understand the difference between accuracy and completion percentage, you are not worth arguing with.

[Ozymandius]

Why draft a QB high who's main weakness is throwing?

 

I mean, I like Tebow's leadership and heart and Christian values and all that stuff as much as anyone, but I wouldn't spend a first or second round pick on him.