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However, business conducted at the bar can lead to both of those things

Phillips is an FA next year, star is our only 1T, we need to add there. The focus of offense vs defense, we didn't punt a whole lot last year and scored a ton of points, the defense was really not that great at getting stops. Our offense still needs work, there were too many 3rd and longs for my liking, but that could be a play calling type issue, inability to run and the d just making good plays. We couldn't switch between a run game and throwing to keep a defense honest. All that being said, the D couldn't consistently shut the door on an opponent, which allowed them to stay in the game. I place a bit more emphasis here... Big fan of the RAS personally and Beane loves athleticism and intangibles(own up to your mistakes, ability to learn and retain info, leadership, etc). This covers the athleticism part. Edit: also need to look at age (no old guys), we love underclassman, conference isn't a large concern, production is interesting though and it needs to be taken into context with what the player was being asked to do and the talent level (coaching and team mates) on his team, so tape needs to be taken in context.

I never noticed the mustache, figures you would 🤔

He isn't playing anywhere this year...

I saw this last night and had a good laugh

I'm surprised the dude is still alive, not exactly a guy I would want to fight

That we did...that we did

I like drafting this late because it means the team is good, but I miss the blue chippers in the draft lol. Someone in a thread brought up a good point, that this draft will be very different due to the lack of evaluations done last year. Value should be all over the place this year. One thing we should take into account this year is that the FO connections to schools will be even more important. One of the reasons why I also think PSU and SU are schools to look at just due to the overall proximity. The players I'm in love with we have no shot at and it's so darn hard to guess without seeing how the boards fall. Tre was a 27th pick 4 years ago, I tend to think we can find another around this range, but who the hell knows lol

If you let Phillips walk next year, he isn't a bad replacement lol This year is funny, Beane was quoted in the past saying something like, if you trade back, you might as well trade out of the entire round, this year we are 2 picks away for that lol.

That's part of the issue drafting this late, it has been like 30 years since we drafted this late, the complete guys aren't there and we are in the tier 2 players who have warts. This is exactly where your FO and coaching staff have to be in agreement and understand what is coachable and what it isn't. The nod will still lean towards the intangibles though.

These are good points and I can't argue against them as I agree with it to a degree. If you could slide into early rd2 and pick up a 3rd(and using our later picks to sweeten this pit) or 4th, it does make some sense. Beane loves to talk about BPA and he follows it to a certain extent, but he knows what players he really likes and he will target them and go get them, he has done this every draft and his usual comment is that they were rated so high and sticking out like a sore them so we had to go get him. He is also the guy that would rather get his guy and then not have him available when the next pick comes up, if you like a player and he's there at your pick and the value in the board is there you take him. When your next pick comes around he may be gone. IIRC, he has also made a comment saying that if you trade back, you might as well trade out of the entire round, granted this year it makes sense with only 2 picks till RD2. The 5th year option though is something I tend to think he would prefer to have and having a player you like potentially be taken before this next pick, is not a risk I see him taking, unless there are multiple players available. When he traded up for Knox, he indicated that the TE run happened and they had to make a move before they were shut out. I don't see him wanting to trade back and have the run on CBS, for instance, happen before that pick.

We have 59 spots on the active roster and PS and a very deep roster, what players will the 2 5th rounders a 6th rounder and 7th rounder push for a spot?

You can say plenty of long term holes for every position, we have a lot of expiring contracts in the next 2 to 3 years, basically everyone except Tre, Milano, Dawkins, Poyer. You are correct about long term sustainability and Beane wants to resign our own, he doesn't necessarily want big FA splashes either. When you look at our roster, it always comes down to a numbers game. How many guys can you carry going into camp, 90, how many make a roster 53 and how many on the practice squad, 6. So you have 59 real spots available and then you have the position groups and the numbers there. The draft class, has to be able to crack those positional groupings and be part of the top 59. Our roster is very deep, with the exception of 3 positions right now, Safety, CB and OL. We only have 4 safeties and we have been searching for a CB2 for what seems like an eternity. I would call these more immediate needs heading into this season, and being as of now a cap strapped team (we can make more space with restructures, but it would honestly have to be a special player IMO), we aren't making a big FA move after the draft. We don't have a 4th this year, so I willbl start with the 2 rd5 picks, what are the chances those players make the top 59? What are the chances our 5th, 6th and 7th push one of those 59 out for a spot? Very low and unlikely, with the exception of CB depth and one position I will get to below. Looking at next off-season, again, CB is a need with Levi, Taron, Phillips, Hughes and Addison as UFAs and Star may retire or not, but is certainly a year older, these positions could be prime for depth. When I look at the Safety and CB spots, Samuel Jr can handle playing outside and Melifonwu can also play Safety as well as grow in a CB2 role. I also think he could fill the big nickel role as well. I don't see us moving up that high in RD1, because the cost will require a RD2 or an RD3, which I see Beane wanting to keep. Edge doesn't excite me much this year, Paye would be someone I look at, but I don't see him dropping low enough for us to snag. Barmore if he falls would be a good choice and Phillips could move on. Phillips was benched after all last season (I know the injury, but still). Again, I'm not sure we trade a 2 or a 3 to snag him this year and the other picks have very little value for that move. I have to consider this because Beane is a wheeler and dealer in the draft moving to grab his targets. We have a real hole at DT 1T, and I'm not sure I'm touching that until maybe rd3 and I would use those 5ths, 6ths and 7ths to make a move for a guy. CB and Saftey are the 2 biggest holes and those players have the best spot of making the roster via the numbers game. Looking at a cap perspective, if we let Levi and Taron walk, the cost of replacements between an Rd1 and Rd2 player will keep the hits much lower for the next 5 and 4 years respectively than going to UFA route and should keep the overall positional cost close to neutral. OL is a sneaky pick and I love the value that will he around there in late rd1 early 2, but I don't see the player making an immediate upgrade this year or next, which is why I have it lower on my list. RB, I love Etienne, just would be a little surprised to see that pick by Beane there, but he would be BPA by a mile IMO....

OT even makes sense, but I don't see us investing in that position in RD1 this year. RB is even a stretch since that really isn't a Beane type thing, how many more touches will the RB get and what will that impact be? I really see this as a defense heavy draft. When you look at how TB defended KC with a lot of DBs and us letting Marlowe walk, I feel like DB is very very high on our list and we aren't sniffing the top 3. Edge isn't that great this year either. So I find myself zeroing in at CB more and more What does trading down do for us? Give us more picks? How many drafted players will really make the team this year? While I do agree with your overall thought, nothing is locked in stone, Beane will either go get who he is targeting (if he can) or take a player at that pick. Trading out of RD1 does not give you the 5th year option, which is something a lot of team really desire...

@Astrobot has him on 2 of his latest mocks. Every year there are players who mocks had low that go way higher and those mocked high that fall. Mocks aren't that accurate overall anyways. I could be totally wrong and I may be pigeon holing players to us, by what Beane has looked for in the past, but he fits parts of it and it is a need for us. I'm certainly not saying we will take him, but his profile checks a lot of boxes and who we take will be dependent on who falls and if we decide to stay put or move up. Late RD1 picks are just so much different than picks 5-18. I like the depth at CB after the top 3 much more than the Edge and would rate them higher. RB is a wildcard though. I honestly have no idea what we will do, but hell I would take Etienne and move up in RD2 for the CB Beane has never traded back and I don't see him doing it now. He is either going up or staying put. To go up it is going to have to be a top tier guy who slid into a palatable spot to trade up (only picks from this draft and I don't see us giving up a RD2 this year, the rest are fair game). Not trying to be a turd...just some thoughts I don't put much stock in what is being said about players right now...

Put this in the Mock thread, but it obviously fits here since it is this player A few things: 1.) Beane targets athleticism and size (intangibles), especially in RD1. He is an elite athlete with his size and mobility https://relativeathleticscores.com/ras-information/?PlayerID=19410 2.) Beane does not draft older players, he is 21 3.) Beane drafts underclassman, he is a Jr (we have only drafted 1 Sr since Beane has been here) 4.) Beane likes physical players 5.) The top 3 CBs will be off the board and we are drafting at the end of RD1, which is basically an early 2nd round player. Unless we move up in RD1, the player we pick here will need a little time to grow and develop. Which leads me to my last thought: 6.) I think he could start off as a big nickel guy, he has the size and physicality, as he transitions to CB#2. He needs to get better with his anticipation and spacing as everyone has already mentioned, but that can easily be coached up. He is already great at looking into the back field, tackling runners, etc. Just kind of where I'm at right now.

A few things: 1.) Beane targets athleticism and size (intangibles), especially in RD1. He is an elite athlete with his size and mobility https://relativeathleticscores.com/ras-information/?PlayerID=19410 2.) Beane does not draft older players, he is 21 3.) Beane drafts underclassman, he is a Jr (we have only drafted 1 Sr) 4.) Beane likes physical players 5.) The top 3 CBs will be off the board and we are drafting at the end of RD1, which is basically an early 2nd round player. Unless we move up in RD1, the player we pick here will need a little time to grow and develop. Which leads me to my last thought: 6.) I think he could start off as a big nickel guy, he has the size and physicality, as he transitions to CB#2. He needs to get better with his anticipation and spacing as everyone has already mentioned, but that can easily be coached up. He is already great at looking into the back field, tackling runners, etc. Just kind of where I'm at right now.

I also think this guy is high on our DB lost I think this may be our pick at 30, Asante is the choice in RD2 if Melifonwu is gone

I know the answer, but has Beane ever traded back? We have met with him twice and his ol man played for Sean, everyone should become a bit more comfy with him as a possiblity (not implying at 30 though)

Typical Americans. It's like making toast, you burn it and I'll scrape

I forgot to ask, how's your polio been? I can't believe the outbreak Utica just had

To go to schools through high school and colleges (even private) you have to shoow MMR vaccination proof... This is the same thing, even though Measles Mumps and Rhubella want politicized by an orange moron