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Ty Dunne had an article awhile back with Farve talking about his career and Allen; when he brought up points about why he did something unconventional or went to make a near impossible throw - his response was because I can make the play. Total gunslinger mentality and Josh is wired that same way

Allen is simply not interested in the hot read or checkdown... You are spot on in your post

KC wins the superbowls with unstoppable offense and not great defenses. If you go up 14 + points, the opponent is one dimensional amd become easier to defend, you take away a large portion of their playbook. I will also add when looking at a top team against the league average, you are looking at fools gold. How can you compare the tops teams against averages of teams that are not their peers, the bottom 16 teams of the league are worse than us, where do we compare against the averages of the good teams? Especially on offense....

Part of the reason why I am a bit meh on trading for players at the deadline. Use you picks and players to move around the draft to go grab an eventual diggs replacement in RD 1. I pinch my nose as I say this, but if we aren't great this year, so be it and use this draft to get that WR (provided this class actually has someone). We can always make cap room, but I'm looking for younger playmaker. This year the QB run will help push talent down the board. An off year for us, well... I don't like it, but looking at how we are trending...it's in the back of my mind

Has anyone went over to the Cheats* message board lately? Curious as to how they are doing over there LOL

It would be a world of difference you would see in the offense... It pushes Gabe down to wr3 and would allow him to work the defense like he used to (to freelance himself open down field) and to be able to swap him and Kincaid out when u wanted to attack in 11 or 12 personnel. I'll use Hopkins as an example but him diggs knox and Davis or him, diggs Knox and Kincaid is nice...

This handcuffs Dorsey's play calling as well

If you want to someone to catch to the ball, look for Diggs. Knox and Gabe are iffy pass catchers. I wouldn't trust them either... This has been a known issue and I do wish Beane pushes harder during the offseason for WR2. Kincaid is nice, but he isn't WR2 and neither is Davis....

I'll give the same comment here.... If the offense was better, Elam wouldn't even be a topic of conversation and it wouldn't matter

Based off of past experiences, without a wrist injury, his drop in a we really need a play to be made by you, is par for the course... All kidding aside, the lack of a bona-fide WR2 who can run a full route tree and quickly get off the line hurts this team more than anything else right now

If the offense wasn't so inept, this wouldn't even be a thread today....

Agree... Wrong thread (kind of) but since I have your attention and I do (most of us do) trust your insight... And comments or thoughts on this? I literally just had this pop up on Twitter. I want to go back and watch the entire thing...

This is for you, listen to the end...

I agree with all of this...

I've been busy today and haven't had a chance to hop back in here yet. Obviously this is all conjecture, part of the fun (or frustration) is trying to put pieces of a puzzle together.... Not that Jordan Plamer speaks for Josh, but obviously there is a closeness there, looking at who may or many not be credible or have some knowledge of a situation based on relationships with the parties is our only real avenue to try to get some insight on what's going on. As fans we also have a way of accepting or dismissing information in what we want to or not want to believe. This certainly seems to be something that is multifaceted and there is not just one root cause. For Palmer to make a comment like this, he has some level of knowledge and obviously felt compelled enough to put this tid bit out there, if any of us care to know by delving into the topic, it is up to us to try to decipher it... “It’s less about Ken Dorsey & what he isn’t. It’s more about Brian Daboll. I think a few years from now we’ll all say that’s the best coach in football… ... “What Josh benefited from with Daboll was not just the play calling but learning the game… learning the game from who Bill Belichick and a lot of other people think is one of the smarter dudes in the league at teaching the position”." It's not Josh and Dorsey at all, it's giving him an elite mind to help teach him the game and to mentor him through the challenges of what teams are game planning against him as well as unlocking the understanding of the game within himself to get to that other level. When you have someone you have that level of respect for, it is easier to listen to the constructive criticism they are providing to you. I mean there is a chance that Daboll is one of those minds...

If that's how they truly thought an out wouldn't exist at the end of next season in that contract. Schoen rightfully saw the qb market about to explode and kept what they had. How much was that both him and dabolls choice vs the owner who badly wants Jones to succeed?

He's not taking them because it's who he is. He knows he can and had made those throws and plays in the past and thinks he can do it again. He is not the let's live to play another down guy and if it is a close game he is going to press and press to score or get the first down in 3rd and long. Josh's tendency is to get it all at once...

Josh would never be that guy

It's not really an x's and o's or there is a problem with the scheme, it's what the qb is choosing to do and feeding into his bad impulses. There certainly is the arm arrogance part of it, look at the int on the route where Davis was jumped. Space took a step or hesitated towards covering him instead focusing on the TE in front of it, which created a small window for josh to fit the ball in there. Whitehead read josh the whole time, what Aikman said about Davis route was true and if allen led the ball more outside ot may have been a catch like it was in the past. Hey I made this throw before and I can do it again instead of taking the other 2 options who would get me the first, the TE sauce was covering or the LB on Diggs over the middle. Psychology when you have a qb who can make throws no one else can and is a risk taker, it is easy to be baited into taking those shots especially in a close game. Being wired the way he is with his physical abilities is entirely different than Brady who will dink and dunk you to death... Peyton Manning who is likely as of now the best QB to ever play the position had built-in mentors within his own family. One of Mahomes biggest strengths is his understanding of the game, IIRC, he even mentioned that he doesn't watch much film either and he wasn't the best at reading the defense. It's that stiff that is missing, guys are open, but you need the tough love to pullback on those negative tendencies... People generally only follow the tough love of people they respect as knowing more than them and that have thought them and brought them along...

We don't need Tebow

There certainly was a rift between him and McD and there were certainly times the offense stalled during his time as OC, I'm certainly not disagreeing with any of that, what I do see different is the mentor-mentee relationship that him and Allen had is absent and that allows those bad traits to start to surface again. Allen certainly had those bad traits during his time with Daboll as well, but Josh did appear to learn from it and limit those opportunities. Lol Over the last 16 or 17 games, Josh is a bit different and the offense feels harder to get moving. The over the top stuff isn't there and Josh is pressing and the bad habits are creeping back. That's where that trusted mentor comes in, it's the soft skills and the trust between the teach and student or coach and player. He was hired because he was the best candidate available, the owner wants someone who can fix Jones, but that doesn't mean he can be. In any event the giants will be rebuilt like the Bills, competitive tear down and rebuild. Regardless of what a team says about a QB or any player, what their actions and not their words...Zach Wilson is our guy....