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Skoob.....lay of the BMW crap, no one cares and it makes you sound.....well....you get the message.

I don't mean the down play his successes back in the day. Yet, the fact remains that he was a quitter, and while it's nice to be somewhat reverent of those that have passed, the fact remains. Saban was a quitter.

You're sick.....

RIP Lou... Now, let's not rewrite history to suit our point of view. "Upon his return, he resurrected the franchise and took it back to the playoffs". 1972 (4-9-1) marked a improvement over the previous 1-13 bills of 1971, 1973 & 1974 both season at 9-5 with a playoff loss to Pittsburgh. 1975 marked a high water mark for the Bills offensively up to this time, with very successful running attacks (OJ & Braxton) and passing attacks, yet defense was weak and we finished 8-6. 1976 began with two losses, then two wins, then a loss. Then Saban up and quit. A 2-3 start that saw our Bills lose the next 9 games under Jim Ringo. Saban quit....simply quit....and the rest of his life, despite whatever gifts he possessed, he was nothing more than a quitter. Yes, the Bills did get to the playoffs once under Saban, but that was it. The year he quit, the Bills were miserable. Who can ever forget the Thanskgiving game against the Lions in which OJ ran for the then record 273 yards. We lost. Gary, miracle man Marangi has a lousy 15 yards net passing (Fergie was hurt). Saban ran from the Bills, and I too never forgave him for it. Saban was the quintessential quitter.

Philster, while the ball was more often thrown away from his coverage, his lack of INT's had more to do with his hands of stone. He had the worst hands I've ever seen from an NFL player (well, maybe Perry Tuttle's were worse - ).

......should have said, "his entire life".

How do you learn to say what you replied, and without calling the original poster a jack.....?

So friggin what!!!! Maybe he's a jerk, and maybe he's not.....but this certainly is no evidence of either. As a player, Phil was very, very good.

Nice, I like that. With that said, it makes way too much sense and will never happen (I guess that makes me a pessimist).

You're too polite. It was the damn defense that won those games. The 99 version of Flutie was a distant second to the 98 version. Once defenses caught up with him, it was one batted down throw after another. What many forget is that our O-Line was pretty dismal and both Fina and Hicks were pretty banged up. Fina couldn't finish the game and Hicks who missed much of the first half and came into the game injured, gutted it out in the second half when his backup was getting toasted by Kearse. Had we won that game, our O-line may have consisted of Curley, Larry, and Moe....

Hummmm... I seem to recall a playoff game against Miami (98 season) in which Ruben Brown had to practically beg Jennings to suck it up stay on the field after he got one of his infamous dings. He was a talented player who was made of glass. His heart was not on his list of positives either.

No matter what he'll still trail your bashing of Buffalo homes...

Jake long had a better year. Look at Peters sacks allowed and it took him 4/3 of the season to offer any value in the run game as well. I fact, I'd take Long over Peters, hands down. 11.5 Mil is really off base. In fact the entire NFL payscale is off base.

Denny, was clearly our best (even if this isn't saying much) DE last year. To me, Kelsay is the far greater liability, talent wise and salary wise. Schobel is now at the age where players slow down, and with him coming off the foot injury that who knows if it healed or can withstand the stress, we better get ready to get some help at DE. When Denny, who is a solid backup player, is your best DE, it's time to make some moves. We need DE help, and I'm a firm believer that Chris Ellis isn't it. He was routinely buried by the opposition in the little time he got to play last year. He needs to get a whole lot stronger of his career could (and maybe should) be a very short one.

Pace, who was once a great LT, is a broken down shell of his former self. Great career, but its time to ride off into the sunset big guy.

Site won't accept the link, but over at the "range", there's a thread about LeCharles Bentley who was said to have stated on ESPN News that the Bills are a team he'd like to play for and said recently on Sirrius Radio that he was healed and ready to go. Hummm......... Could be? Nah....not likely....yet......trying to find links.......(ESPN)

Sadly, that was the last big play, or a decent play from Hardy for the remainder of the year.

Kelly wasn't afraid of anyone....let alone a team mate....

Just contributed as well. While I didn't like the signing at first, it is beginning to make sense in a number of ways. Hopefully, they will prevail and not the self destructive nature of TO.

40 years? Maybe, but after 1966 season (early 1967), the Bills trade Lamonica for a washed up Art Powell, and QB with a blown arm (Flores) ranks much higher in my memory. All TO costs us at this point is cash. No comparison. How about trading Ron McDole, Tom Keating, or letting Pat Williams walk. I won't even get into some of our famous daft picks, but Williams wasn't our worst, just our most clostly. Nah, I would admit I don't like the signing but it is far from the worst player move the Bills have ever made.

...that and I just can't get past the car comment.

Sadly, this train has left the station. Yet, of those (LB's) still available, I would take Crowell first in a heartbeat (assuming he passes the physical, of course).

....and since you brought up the running game, it's time to get something done for Fred Jackson, contract wise.

At TO's age, he doesn't get anything more than a 1-2 years deal max. When one combines his track record, only a few "stupid" teams would have been willing to consider him. Yep, we are one of the few. Yet, from the Bills perspective, this gives Hardy a break in not being pressured to return before he's healed and ready. In fact, I'd be surprised if he isn't on the PUP to begin the season.