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What I read into your statement is that he is playing better teams and hence not performing well compared to early in the season when his (late-game) successes came against mainly mediocre teams. Hence, what I wanted to say is that if he can play well against bad teams, he should have a great performance against a pass defense-challenged team. Ergo - as of now, he can't even play well against bad teams. (Whew !)

Didn't people fly United when it was in bankruptcy proceedings ? Agreed they are different businesses but I don't see why people will be scared of buying a vehicle from a company which is in Chapter 11 re-organization (and not Chapter 7 liquidation)

Agree and I posted this in another thread also. http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/ The 'lose millions of jobs' is a ridiculous scenario. Even though they are financially hurting, that manufacturing capacity cannot just disappear overnight as it will create a disastrous shortage of vehicles. Worst case, manufacturing will be scaled back over the coming few years to allow other auto makers to fill the quantity void. But, scaring people with a total shut down scenario is moronic - an insult to my intelligence to expect me to believe that.

Except it wasn't by design.

The Browns are a good team ?

I know you didn't direct this post at me but - My dissection of the article and its implication was not meant to imply my support for benching Trent. I am on the fence regarding your statement. Last year, Trent played well in the beginning and faded away during the last few games coinciding with the weather getting bad. Conventional wisdom was to stick with him and he will improve. So we said that the season is sunk anyway so why not give Trent some experience which will serve us well during this season. Well, he did appear to improve at the beginning of this year but has badly regressed. We seem to be in the same exact spot as we were at this time last year albeit a bit better on record. To stick my neck out a bit, I would start Trent against KC and if he still looks shell-shocked and confused in the first half then try putting in JP for the rest of that game (only).

Sure we can. "His teammates don't have the luxury of allowing him to work through his problems on the game field." Meaning - get someone in who will allow Trent to work through his mental funk off the field. Implication = play JP "Buffalo is entering do-or-die time. Their playoff hopes are already dim. They need a spark, and Edwards has shown no indication he's ready to provide one." Meaning - Trent will not provide that spark, so get someone in who can. Implication - play JP "Losman's name is met with shrieks throughout Western New York. He's maddening to watch, and there's a general perception in the weathered, blue-collar region that Losman has been a pouter since losing his job to Edwards." Meaning - fans hate to have to think about JP in there. Implication - nothing "To insert Losman now would be daring. He's an unrestricted free agent after this season and almost certain to split on an organization he feels jilted by." Meaning - putting in JP now would be bold and different from the conservative approach, he is gone anyway. Implication - nothing.

Remember this game ? http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxs...00611190htx.htm

It doesn't ? "His teammates don't have the luxury of allowing him to work through his problems on the game field. Buffalo is entering do-or-die time. Their playoff hopes are already dim. They need a spark, and Edwards has shown no indication he's ready to provide one." "The Bills are investing in Edwards as the quarterback of the future. But if they don't have him on a short leash against the Chiefs, then they're already working on 2009." Even if he didn't type those specific words, he is pretty much advocating exactly that.

Relevant interesting point-counterpoint in here: Few snippets (all quotes from these blogs) Against bail-out: GM was paying $5 billion per year in health benefits to retirees and current employees ... Bankruptcy would help GM and Ford become more competitive by abrogating significant parts of their labor contracts with the UAW... Bankruptcy may also force out the current management of GM and Ford. I do not believe the company is too big to go into a reorganization-which is what bankruptcy would involve. For bail-out: - they might be unable to attract the substantial post-bankruptcy loans that they would need to enable them to remain in business... - ...would cause bankruptcy to greatly exacerbate the nation's already dire economic condition. - The likely psychological impact of a bankruptcy of the U.S.-owned auto industry should not be underestimated -------------------------------- I am not sure where I stand on the issue. If government is propping up the banks, it is with the implicit hope that they will resume lending. So if the auto makers file Chapter 11, they should still be able to attract funding from these banks. I think the bogey is of '240,000' un-employed people. I have a tough time accepting that as the nation still needs the cars made by these companies. It is not that suddenly the Big-3 will close shop and walk away. Perhaps someone will buy them on the cheap and have then continue as a going concern.

Still losing.

I second that wholeheartedly.

I want them to go 16-0 and then lose in the first round of the playoffs on a last second GW kick by the opposing team.

Yeah more likely we will play well enough to just miss the playoffs again.

English is obviously not one of his strengths. 'there' ? However, I do appreciate the fact he thinks the fans only have one think to like (singular) but many things they don't.

The lack of a pass rush is indicative of the positive effect he has on the team. I am really waiting for him to return. And if we add another Schobel-level DE on the other side, we will have a very good pass rush. I realize the interior of the line may also need some bolstering but the ends suck right now.

Unfortunately that number appears to be on a graph sloping downward and not upward.

If you are going to be sarcastic, at least try to do a better job of it. This forum was created to discuss all things Bills and football. What topics are not open for discussion (racist, utterly condescending etc.) is up to the mods.

First you say go ahead and debate then you say don't speculate. We are not debating past events, but are certainly would like to discuss the merits or lack thereof of continuing with him as a HC of the Bills. This is certainly a very worthy discussion considering the patterns of under-performance and injuries that we have been seeing. As of right now, with uneven results through this season, there is no way to say whether firing him is a reality or fantasy. Should not stop anyone from discussing it, despite what you think. If you do not like those discussions, you are free not to participate in or read those threads.

At this point of the season, I vote for Fisher.

Only if he is willing to play center and doesn't insist on a skill position.

I have to disagree with you that Turk needs to go. In this the third season of the Jauron era, we are seeing some recurring patterns: - Offense appears to take off and be creative but suddenly regresses. - Injuries happen often, to many personnel and are quite serious. - The QB appears to be developing nicely then starts a downward slide. - Changes are made to the OL and DL but they happen too late in the season to make a difference (isn't that what an off-season and pre-season games are for ?) We are re-gurgitating the same damn excuses from last year. 'Not enough talent', 'too many key injuries', 'QB is bad', 'OC is bad'. In the off-season, I had expressed skepticism that our O will be much better than last year. My doubts were from seeing that the only changes were one rookie wideout, a new OC and an off-season of maturity for Lynch & Edwards. The early games were surprisingly good and I thought I was pre-maturely pessimistic. But, alas, we seem to have regressed to the same point as last year. Something else is wrong and I can only point the finger at Jauron and our strength & conditioning coach.

Funny (not in a 'ha ha' sort of way) that I was thinking the same way. Fairchild looked to be a good game planner in 2006 but went brain-dead last year. Why are we suffering through this deja vu ????

Earlier this season, I had hopes that the Bills would play so much better than the Pats* that even ref issues would not keep us away from victories. However, given our injuries on D (again !) and the putrid O performance (again), I am afraid we will be left blaming the officiating.

With our dearth of quality depth, we do not have the luxury to 'sit' anyone and certainly not Peters given your observations.