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Sherpa is a good poster, though I don't see him playing many games. He seems pretty direct and gets to the point. A logical human realizes that things don't happen in a vacuum, and that context matters in a hyper-politicized environment. Same video of Team USA, take the emotional temperature of the people when the McCarthyesque Part Deux Russia debacle is in full tilt, American psyche is "...polar opposite...compared to that of Lake Placid 1980". L. Ron said, and more than a few agree, that he didn't care about that version of lies and manipulation when people were pitted against each other. You implied it didn't really matter much, those particular claims of stolen elections. I used to wonder "why two standards?", but I've come to realize people can fool themselves into believing the lies they were fed were necessary to achieve the greater good, and sort of skip right past the obvious and stunning hypocrisy of their point of view. Me? I wish the democrats had played it straight in 2016-2020, come after Trump politically without unfounded and scurrilous allegations of treason and fraudulent elections, and the absurd Mueller probe. I wish that had Trump lost thereafter, that he would have left the WH, regrouped and attacked the dems politically. However, the dems lied, schemed, manipulated and persecuted for 5 full years...and won. It seems highly illogical to assume that their destructive yet winning formula would not be reintroduced in 2020, so we get what we get. These are the rules of an ugly game, but that's what you wanted.

I can name 2, and the coach. I’d recognize a half dozen more of provided the names. I still don’t follow your link to political manipulation and propaganda, but maybe you’re asking how I would feel if the Govt refused to allow fans to watch the game under some ruse that national security was at risk?

You're upset, I get it. You want to rush in, throw some verbal punches, get all these feelings of being victimized by geriatrics off your chest, and completely miss the point. That's pretty standard in cases of youthful rage. In that regard, you're neither special nor unique, L, but you are predictable--that's why it works, and your leadership can count on you to support withholding tapes and documents that don't align with the narrative. Meanwhile, dem leadership--the ones telling you the tapes are the boogeyman--has an average age of 117. The shaman broke the law, the shaman should be held accountable for his crimes, the shaman is in jail. I advocated for nothing to the contrary, so maybe instead of yawning because you payed video games and ate Cheetos all night, get some sleep and come back when you're capable of rational, intelligent conversation. As far as rotting, that's fine you feel that way, but ironically it's an old world version of punitive justice you're pitching here. In your quest for vengeance, it should be noted that you probably believed Shaman did violence as you say, but it really doesn't look like he did. That's not me defending him, that's just what the tape shows. How long does he rot for in your Shawshank world?

Thanks for responding, at first I thought you were going from point A to point B, and just lost 30 minutes with your mind wandering from thought to thought. I'm no doctor, but in and of itself, that would be something I'd speak with a doctor about. That said, it sure seems interesting that it happened right after exposure to fumes and painting. That can be some nasty stuff. Seems an awful lot like it just buzzed the %^%$ out of you. One other quick question--any chance you were exposed to lead paint in the reno prior to this happening? I had a friend back in the day who developed issues after repeated exposure to lead paint. I also worked with a man who had exposure to paint fumes from his days in a body shop that really impacted his memory. Again--both from long term exposure.

I don't think we found common ground at all, Red. You seem determined to change the subject and move away from the point that I feel is most valuable here: politicians and those in authority preventing dissemination of information that goes against the narrative they want to spread. I'll answer your questions in a moment or two, but not before asking a couple of my own. Do you see a reason for politicians and/or law enforcement to withhold the security footage shared of this guy working his way through the Capitol, at one point being one of one with 7 law enforcement officers within 3 or 4 feet of him, under the guise of protecting our national security? Given information previously shared about the Shaman, obviously selectively leaked by politicians and or law enforcement, were you at all surprised to see him strolling through the Capitol, officers around not engaged in defending against a siege, and at times, officers helping him move through the building? Now, to your questions. I think miscreant is a fine word to describe the Shaman. No, I don't think 'insurrectionist' applies based on the video released, and I don't think all miscreants are insurrectionists. On the other hand, if there is video of the Shaman participating in an armed rebellion against the government, I'd think insurrectionist would be appropriate. For whatever it's worth, seems to me the Shaman is/was dealing with some sort of mental illness during this time frame--from the gear, the wandering about, and the prayers offered up to the police officers later in the day. Almost missed the "Miracle on Ice" question. I didn't watch the video, but I guess my question for you would be what makes you think I would see it as propaganda? I do know you suggested that everyone loves a winner, but that's not always true. I think when it gets right down to it, people want to know that the gams was played fairly under rules applied equally to all participants. I offer:

This is a perfect example of emotion overruling reason. I simply offered that the footage reveals a different narrative of this guy than that we, as citizens, were spoon fed. We were further advised that the release of this sort of footage was so dangerous that it should be forever withheld from the public forum. Your response is about violence at the blockades. My posting history on 1/6 is pretty clear since 1/6. These “miscreants”—that is, non-peaceful protestors—- do not reflect my values, do not represent me or my views. I see the worst offenders as those very similar to the worst offenders in the BLM riots. Propaganda is propaganda, Red, even when you like the version being pushed.

@L Ron Burgundy is an extremist that doesn’t know he is, nor does he understand his role here. In the big picture, he’s likely easily manipulated and emotional. Context becomes irrelevant because emotion precedes reason. Through day one, Tucker Carlson and by extension Kevin McCarthy have revealed no national secrets, no special secret entrances, but certainly reveal a different story on the Shaman than painted in the media and 1/6 committee. Yet, the screams are that citizens merely revealing the footage is dangerous for us all. Democracy dies in darkness, but these folks are comfortable keeping the lights off, the shades down, and believing what they are told without question.

I agree he looks pretty fit for an 80 year old guy. He has had good hair work, good plastic surgery and he keeps himself in good shape. More often than not, when he opens his mouth to talk, he sounds quite a bit older than most people I know in their 70s or 80s all other things being equal. A part of that is certainly the stress that comes with trying to remember the things a President has to recall, the order in which to recall it, and all the while not f it all up. All that said, Joe Biden today is a shell of the man he was just a few years ago, at which time he had faded substantially from his best years. When he falters or gets confused, he sounds like he’s 95.

I’m a bit confused here so permit me one question. The plan was to go to McD’s, grab some food, turn around and go home? Should that be like 10 or 15 minutes round trip? Or, was McD on the way to your next stop, planned route but you just sort of zone ld out for most of it? Ok, 3 questions +\-.

Over? Wait, what?

Defend him for availing himself of the rights afforded to him? Yes, I’ll defend his rights there. You should too.

I gotcha. In my quick search, I could only find 11,545 links to sites on this widely discussed and timely topic. Here are just a few from admittedly right wing leaning sites. 😬 NPR https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1628401425330892801 Columbia U: https://www.culawreview.org/current-events-2/plea-deals-an-unconstitutional-bandaid-for-our-overburdened-justice-system The Marshall Project: https://www.themarshallproject.org/2014/12/26/plea-bargaining-and-the-innocent ACLU: https://www.themarshallproject.org/2014/12/26/plea-bargaining-and-the-innocent MSNBC: https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/supreme-court-shinn-v-ramirez-rcna30268 NBC: https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/prisons-are-packed-because-prosecutors-are-coercing-plea-deals-yes-ncna1034201

You re-imagined the charges he plead guilty to, and the possible outcome of his civil suit, and I'm rewriting history? Cool story bro, but it's a work of fiction. I never suggested he didn't plead guilty, I actually didn't say anything about that. He plead guilty. My comments dealt with the civil suit he filed, and then things got all hinky with you and BillSy and treason, eggs and concrete. I have no idea if he'll prevail or not. I do know that innocent people plead guilty for a variety of reasons. Maybe you missed the last 200 years+/- of American history: https://www.forbes.com/sites/walterpavlo/2018/07/31/are-innocent-people-pleading-guilty-a-new-report-says-yes/?sh=47fc353c5193 https://guiltypleaproblem.org/

But there are scores of stories about malicious prosecution, heavy-handed tactics, deceitful investigators and corrupt judges. You know that. I know that. Everyone knows that. We also know that guilty people get pardoned, innocent people get pardoned, that people victimized by the system are sometimes pardoned, and political persecution is a thing. Be that as it may, you specifically mentioned “treason” and he was never charged with treason. He didn’t plead guilty to treason. He was not pardoned in connection with a treason charge. As for Flynn, now, here, today, he’s exercising his right as a citizen to pursue justice as he sees fit. Sometimes, that’s the only option.

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What an odd target for a late night tv show host. Odder still, the take.

And when your team puts its thumb in the scale. Be that as it may, how is the civil case to end up with Flynn imprisoned for treason?

Let’s keep score. Red Tail is suggesting the civil suit filed by General Flynn results in charges of treason against him. Now, you’re talking eggs, baskets, Durham, concrete walls, and things that look good on me. 🤦🏼‍♂️

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, the whole treason thing was run up the flagpole with Mueller, Biden, Pelosi et al, to no avail. It’s fashionable to yell it out, but it goes nowhere and we don’t want to do that again, do we? I’m serious about my characterization of General Flynn’s case. Carry on, soldier. Oh, this is probably time #17 when the “we don’t care” crowd suddenly, selectively, and myopically cares again. How very flynnteresting.

I followed this story a bit to reporting by the BBC, and if you were to cast a villain in a government conspiracy movie, it would be a guy like Matt Hancock. He claims a breach of trust and privacy by the release of these texts, and that most folk are too simple to understand the nuances of his genius, but it reads pretty clearly that he wasn’t of Team Transparency or Team Let’s Tell The Truth.

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It’s a civil suit, one of a kazillion filed every year. Worst case scenario is it’s frivolous, one of a kazillion every year. Best case scenario is that treachery and deceit are uncovered and the nation is better for it. Meanwhile, there are twisting tales of conspiracies, deep dives into the legal teams, and legal opinions from keen legal minds and noted scholars SkinsFans4Life, Mike O’Grady and DannoDisgust opine leading to claims of secret lieutenants in the Trump Illuminati. @L Ron Burgundy suggests no brains have been broken but I’m not so sure.

😂 Didn’t break your brains? You numbnuts believed Trump was a Russian plant sired of Boris Badenov and Natasha Fatale for nearly 4 years, then transitioned from treason to obstruction when Fritz Mueller cuh-rapped the bed in spite of virtually unlimited police power to squeeze people into saying whatever he wanted. Rashkolnikov! But, thanks for the reply, it’s honest and I appreciate that. It makes no sense when considering what happened in our country prior to/post Trump election, but it does prove what I’ve longed believed: A true believer is 100% comfortable with their version of leadership lying, manipulating, selectively leaking bs stories, using the power and weight of the government and kicking in doors and knocking heads. For all the hand-wringing about Trump and tyranny, every time the coin is flipped on abuse of power, it lands donkey-side up on a garage floor near a classic Corvette and a box of our previously precious National Secrets.

Thanks APB. I’ll put it on my list.

It’s funny, maybe, but I feel the same about virtually every liberal poster here. Not necessarily the insane part, though a couple come to mind there, but on the general weakness of their positions to one of the great questions of our time. I’ll ask you since you’ve boldly stepped forward with a clinical diagnosis. Why were liberals comfortable with Democrat leaders declaring Trump was illegitimately elected in 2016, that some had documented evidence of treasonous behavior, and cast major, serious doubt about the safety and security of our election when nothing of the sort was eve le proven? The narrative was completely false. 100% completely made up. So far, virtually every person I have asked this have passed on answering. @nedboy7 didn’t share thoughts on Illegitimate elections of 2016, but as I recall, did suggest that Trump’s actions on 1/6 qualified as treasonous. @redtail hawk did opine that no one paid any attention to that stuff, as I recall, which in the context of a completely legitimate election, is mad-azzed crazy conspiracy stuff designed to mislead their base. It worked well. What say you, LaRon?