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This is an interesting take. I just re-read Thompson’s opening statement about getting to bottom of what happened. He referenced the officers who held the line, the rioters storming the halls of Congress looking for Nancy Pelosi, of gallows in tow as some looked for Mike Pence. It was inspiring stuff, and he and Liz Cheney outwardly seemed committed to telling the American people the truth of what happened that day wherever that lead. Then I got back to thinking about what you had to offer on the 1/6 report being less of an unvarnished and raw recap of what happened and more of a political-protect-your-cronies-at-all costs reimagining oh what they wish it might have looked like. I guess if we’re speculating on a report that sounds quite flawed to begin with, it makes sense that Cheney and Thompson both had political allies they were sworn to protect? Maybe they discovered unprofessional behavior or dereliction of duty by those ultimately responsible for securing the building on that fateful day? Or perhaps there was some coordination between rioters and dem politicians to allow access or breach security to implicate Trump? The most likely scenario seems obvious—there is no way in hell that the Capitol should have been overrun by people without weapons, without a plan of attack and military-style coordination. Someone f’d up, badly, and it was likely someone close (or useful). to both Cheney and Thompson. Mostly though, I think how you and I have pretty much the same opinion of this committee, but that you like the result while I wonder why they didn’t really want to get to the truth and share that with the American people. Instead, we get just more reason to be distrustful of the gangs of DC and how they operate. Kudos to @Orlando Tim for asking the right question the right way.

So…a supposedly hard-hitting investigation into an attack and occupation on our Capitol was overly-focused on Trump, had one member of the panel selling out the American people to avoid shining the light on members of her own party, and the democrat majority were completely comfortable with being handcuffed to the extent that all the American people hear are “rumors” of this betrayal? Even assuming this is the case, which part of the process wasn’t political? Why would the honorable Thompson, Lofgen, Schiff, et al agree to such cuckholdery? More importantly, given the rumor that they protected other potential enemy combatants and the truth has yet to be revealed, why would anyone accept the report of the committee as accurate and truthful?

We’ll have to disagree. I see no indication you understand poverty at all, but I do think you understand trolling.

Seems to me Roundy is a troll, just looking to throw some cr@p out there to see what sticks. He tossed a couple lines out in an effort to race-bait, and when that failed launched the post about “the good stuff” being looted from chains and Family Dollar.

Roundy says if you teach a man to fish, he can fish, but if you teach a man to rob the homes of neighbors specially targeting electronics and flat screen televisions in excess of 45” screen size, he can binge watch Netflix all year long.

First sign of hypothermia, sentences framed correctly in the head but come out the mouth jumbled. Could be alcohol, too, I suppose.

Sadly, he sent that to the Allied troops huddled along enemy lines in the European theater.

How dare you, sir! But yes, that is a shorter version. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Now factor in that the US Government has designated your employer as public enemy #1, and telegraphed there is nothing they will not do to take that person down. They will spend years investigating anyone in his circle, leak details of the investigation to the media to shade the story, execute armed raids, threaten anyone in the circle or their families, offer deals in exchange for cooperation, and when one avenue closes, they simply pursue another. Consider that the IRS has reviewed, questioned and accepted 50+ years of tax returns and still the narrative is he’s guilty of tax crimes, and that politicians on both sides of the aisle push that narrative. Consider no collusion, no wrongdoing and political persecution, and the fact that it didn’t matter that nothing was found. In the end, it’s a forgone conclusion that they will get Trump one way or another. They’ll find something, or find enough to convince a friendly jury. They’ll break him financially. They’ll break him emotionally. Maybe his health will be destroyed because of the stress, up to and including his death. The fact is, it will never end. The only outside shot is he acquiesces, agrees to not disclose what might be harmful to national interests or embarrassing to DOJ etc, and rides into the sunset. When you look at the big picture, why would anyone not say whatever the government wanted them to say?

I agree with you to a point, but how hard is it NOT to follow the guidelines established by the league? If you don’t do anything, you’re fine. You have to work to f that up.

You killed her, Mup? You crazy girl, it’s just a game.

So…I lose track of when that happened, but I am certain I had issues long before that. I’m talking no less than 15 problems. My issues may have been unique, but one time I taped a game, got home and the screen showed the Bills game, but the screen was dark. 45 minutes later, through the customer service quagmire, they told me it was a glitch and the recording didn’t occur. Neve gonna happen. I hung the phone up, was getting ready to shut the tv down and the game started playing.

I’ve have DTV solely for the Ticket, and really solely for the Bills for about 20 years. I hate it. I am guaranteed to miss one game per year, and one year, I missed two games, one at a second home we bought. DTV is a killer of dreams, a place where hope and decent customer service goes to die. I’ll probably cancel.

Back in the day it might have been when someone jumped quarters on the Foosball table at Cassidy’s. Or, pretty much any other place in WNY with a foosball table.

Come on man, you missed the signs. A widow lady, in distress, the milk aisle…waving you down for help? By 80 she surely swings by the local gas station and grabs 10 to 12 hazelnut pods because she likes her small cup of coffee “light”. She probably hasn’t bought creamer since Jimmy Carter was President. Half and half is the upside down pineapple of the dairy world. It’s a story as old as time, my naive friend, and there ain’t no expiration date on dat.

Confess, your kiss still knocks me off my legs. The first time I saw you was like a punch right through my chest And I will forever, 'cause you'll forever be My one true broken heart, pieces inside of me, And you'll forever, my baby be. You will rest your head, your strength once saving. And when you wake you will fly away, Holding tight to the legs of all your angels. Goodbye my love, into your blue, blue eyes, Your blue, blue world, you're my baby blue.

That Robert Kennedy bust off Biden's left shoulder looks straight out of The Walking Dead. I wonder if there's one of Jack nearby with one of Marilyn between them. That. would. be. epic.

Methodical drive lasting nearly 6 minutes, leaving no time on the clock for last minute heroics, a stake through the heart and The End. It was beautiful, man.

So far away Doesn't anybody stay in one place anymore? It would be so fine to see your face at my door Doesn't help to know you're just time away Long ago, I reached for you and there you stood Holding you again could only do me good How I wish I could, but you're so far away

Is MA short for Malaysia? I don’t know any Daves that were in Malaysia post-83.

Thanks for the reply Mup. I appreciate it--and I hope you take my response(s) in the spirit intended--dialogue between two people with different perspectives interested in opinions other than their own. Here we go: Respectfully, you didn't answer the question. I'm not aware of anyone on any side who doubts the Russian government would attempt to influence our elections. I'm not sure you would find many people who wouldn't think our government interferes in foreign elections where our national well-being was in play. (By the way--this was the finer point I was referring to when I opined about Trump talking about what he saw as president, not much stolen elections and the 2016 election). The question is--were the leaders of the democrat party, and high ranking officials, who stated emphatically that Donald Trump was illegitimately elected, or took power after a coup, or was guilty of treason in the run-up to his election being truthful, fair and honest with the American people? The answer of course is no, they were not truthful, fair or honest and just offered their branded version of "The Stolen Election". If they were being truthful, you wouldn't need to speculate about smoke and fire. This was modern day McCarthyism, nothing more, nothing less. So, from the perspective of a Trump supporter during that time, all I can tell you is folks on the other side were completely comfortable with destroying Trump and anyone around him as long as it gave them what they want. I respect that you don't like him/detest him/hate him. If his faux Christianity is a deal breaker for you, fine. If you don't trust him, fine--but let's not pretend that Joe Biden or the modern dem party is the party of decency, faith and fairness. Show me a "Biden is pure" voter and I'll show you a person who whistles and looks the other way at a two page list of Biden's very, very sketchy behavior. Trump says some women let him grab them...I think he was being truthful however vulgar he might have been, people are supposedly outraged. Harris says she believed the woman who alleged Biden violently assaulted her--and to boot Biden apologizes for fondling women because they didn't quite understand him---the same outraged people don't seem to care. If the worst elements of Trump-real or imagined--were poured into a back-slapping politician, he'd be Joe Biden. See Mup, you switched here to the big picture without really dealing with the issue. All I'm reading is that you're more comfortable with your liar than the other liar, happier with your groper than the other groper, prefer your race baiter to the other race baiter, and most importantly----much more likely to support the version of stolen elections because in spite of what you just wrote about both sides----you defaulted to where there is smoke, there may be fire. There was fire, Muppito Bandito, you were just looking on the wrong side of the aisle. It's not really a can of worms when you dial it back to what you said a paragraph up, and when you consider the last several years of American politics. Donald Trump wanted to be president no more, no less than Joe Biden. He certainly wanted it no more, no less than Obama, Bush before him, and Hillary Clinton. In fact--they all wanted it so badly they would divide the country by saying first "YOUR GUY WAS AN ILLEGITIMATE PRESIDENT PROPPED UP BY RUSSIA" followed by "THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN". They are two sides of the same coin, the only difference is the language used to convince 'their people' that their cause was right and just. One of the keys to political manipulation is to convince your side that as right as you are, the other side is just plum crazy. I read you loud and clear, and as always, appreciate your thoughts and you taking the time to answer. I know for you it's like wearing an itchy sweater to post here. LS

Fair questions Mup. I'll answer and then ask a few of my own. I'm not fixated on 1/6 and Trump's involvement in it like some. I was disgusted by the actions of citizens that breached the Capital, that assaulted officers and that trashed the building. I've said that since 1/6. I thought Trump's decision to hold a rally was a mistake for a lot of reasons, none of which had anything to do with worry about a riot. If you told me a group of nutcases in bear suits and Genny Cream Ale shirts could overrun the Capital in 20 minutes, I'd have said you were nuts. I do not believe Trump was involved in the riots, am convinced there is no evidence of conspiracy in coordinating with rioters, and think if the 1/6 committee or DOJ had evidence of that, it would long since have been revealed. I think that the 1/6 committee engages in innuendo, selective leaking, coordination with media outlets, and in general, propaganda. So, yes, I believe Trump will tell the truth about 1/6 under oath, and do not have one iota of faith in the committee or its members. There are precious few rules governing what they say and requiring that they speak honestly to the American people. That is by design. On the issue of Trump questioning the election, I was 100% certain Biden would be president after it was called. There was insufficient time to launch any meaningful investigation into election tampering, and to be honest, the assumption that people responsible for overseeing elections in any given locale would be willing to state there were issues with security is too heavy a lift for anyone. I believe that if Trump won, Biden and the dems would have followed the same course and declared the election illegitimate. They already did it once, and lots of people bought that snake oil. As for legal issues over reaching out to people to intercede in the election, well, that gets murky and I don't know what's a crime, or more accurately, what might be a crime when viewed through a partisan lens. Now, my questions for you. I've asked others here, I don't get answers. When concerns were raised about Russian actors influencing our elections, and Donald Trump co-ordinating with Putin to ultimately win the election, and he is referred to as an "Illegitimate" president, that he won as a result of a coup, and that he was guilty of treason, does that strike you as language that implies we had a clean and fair election in 2015? When Mueller spent 4 years investigating the guy--unlimited budget/virtually unlimited power, etc etc, came up with nothing...why weren't more people outraged? Finally, the issue with lying that you raise is fair, but that can't be the benchmark if you voted for Joe Biden (or most politicians) in my opinion. It's a matter of public record he was lying and telling stories 50 years ago. I think some people just like his lies better than Trumps, but that's different than having any sort of moral standard. For example, the American people were allowed to believe the Russian tape was a thing even though it's pretty clear Obama and Biden knew the Clinton's were selling that story before Obama left office. Since that issue was so incredibly divisive and driving the country apart, why was it allowed to be debated for years afterwards? It seems to me that the dems in this case were perfectly comfortable with their version of stolen elections, and by extension, their supporters were as well.

I'm all for pushing forward. DJT has seen the inner workings of the government, including access to files where maybe the country or an administration doesn't look so good. Not that long ago, Joe Biden acknowledged strong-arming the Ukrainians to achieve a stated goal of removing a political appointee for reasons that likely were incredibly personal to him. Personally, I don't think that's all that uncommon, and I'm sure there are some things that we would all agree are not all that pleasant. So, a political investigation is completed, outside the rules associated with criminal wrongdoing and it would seem, on subjective issues like obstruction and the like. We know with certainty if they uncovered evidence of Trump coordinating with individuals to overthrow the Capital, we would know about it by now. If criminality is uncovered by Trump, by all means, charge him. Let's see what we find out once he starts talking. Let's see if we can get to a place where there is more transparency, more light on how things are handled on an international scale, and maybe we're all better off in the future. In the meantime, when the House changes over, it's time to start swinging at some democrats. It's the way the game is played.

I slipped, but I was majorly liquored up. I also probably stumbled but that was a long time ago in Beer/Shot Years.

One thing perhaps lost in the dialogue is if Singletary scores, the kick is still necessary one way or the other. Any way you sliced it, Bass is on the field and the result matters. Assuming the Fins get a TD after Singletary scores, it happens in some rather spectacular fashion. Blown coverage. Defender falls down. Gadget play. The Bills are rocked, chaos ensues, and the snow continues to fall and the field is a bit more slippery as the defense lines up for the final play of regulation. A two point conversion on the road, against a team you’ve moved the ball against, with speed on your offense, under those circumstances makes a ton of sense. A sucker punch to the nads, as they say, to end the game and go back to South Beach. It’s amazing the Bills ate up nearly 6 minutes of clock, moved 90+ yards and ended it in spectacular fashion with no time left. It was a dream drive.