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On the bright side I'm listening to "Stir it up" by Bob Marley at lunch.

In my opinion, he held an ill-advised rally. Nothing more, nothing less.

No, I'm channeling reality. Things don't happen in a vacuum, and if you don't want to talk about things the make you uncomfortable, tarry forth little soldier. If Trump is found guilty as previously detailed, sure, he tried to destroy faith and confidence in our system post 2021, though the Putin thing is an old wives tale best suited for book clubs and conspiracy talk at the local coffee shop. That doesn't change anything about the dems actions, but see paragraph 1. Hunter Biden has never been accused of impersonating anything but a brother's-widow-bangin-deadbeat-dad-bribe-takin-influence-peddlin-joe-partnerin meth head who's been described as the smartest man alive (and that must be considered given how all you folks love the man) but if you've got some news on that front, share! As for faith in government, that's a problem generally, and you had no issues with just 1,292 days ago. Let's take a look at how the US govt fares generally: Spoiler alert...YIKES for Joe. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/06/06/public-trust-in-government-1958-2022/ Clean up your own house, friend.

History shows otherwise, but I commend your dedication to the party line.

The truth is there is more than adequate evidence that trusting those in political positions of power without a healthy degree of cynicism is a mistake I prefer not to make. If Trump violently interfered with the transfer of power to the extent that death penalty/life in prison is on the table, I’m sure the evidence will be clear and convincing to fair-minded, non-biased people. I’m happy to revisit it at that time. In the event that happens, we’re still left with a multi-year campaign by the democrats to destroy faith and confidence in our system, problems with interference in our elections by intelligence agencies, and massive concerns about the trustworthiness of the DOJ/FBI.

Yes, you declared that my lord and savior did nothing but project. Was that meant to a be a compliment? It read kinda hostile to be honest. Look, big picture, you don't have to explain yourself to me about the people that you judge, or comments you make about people who hold different opinions than you do. I understand people lose control of their emotions from time to time, and it's important to forgive. I forgive you for the insulting comments you sent my way, and for you making me feel like I should respond in kind. No, I'm not a self-proclaimed Evangelist--at a minimum words matter and I didn't "self-proclaim" it. In closing, yes, I consider you my friend in spite of our disagreements. Maybe not as close as the 183 friends I have on Facebook, and definitely not as good as friend as my friend @muppy, but we can never have too many friends.

There's an answer it there, Kemp, stop screaming at clouds and read for understanding.

It happens.

I'm not speaking ideally, I'm speaking about reality. Biden and the lies about stolen elections were accepted by democrat voters as a normal part of the election process. There was no pushback, no concerns about being lied to, no concerns about damage to our democratic process. Long before Trump lost in 2020, and followed whatever brand of foolishness he followed, this bothered me. It still does. So, the new standard in American politics was set. Allege treason. Allege a coup occurred. Claim the president is illegitimate. Scream that the election was stolen and people can't trust our elections. Again, it worked very well. Hypothetically, no, it's not ok. However, the standard of what's acceptable to dem voters has been set, and it ain't pretty. I'm not at all convinced that dem voters would not support martial law in that scenario, like they accepted false claims of treason for 7 years running. I'm nearly 100% convinced that certain dems, some of who post here, would support martial law if directed at irredeemable folks who's greatest crime was disagreeing with them. Finally, I watched Kamala Harris attempt the political evisceration of a SC justice based on a ridiculous and unsubstantiated rumor of sexual assault and rape trains. I watched her state that she believed Joe Biden sexually assaulted women, then partner with him when the price was right. I believe she would participate in electoral schemes without question. If it improved the democrat position, it would be supported by democrats regardless of fairness, equity and legality. This is the norm.

This is delightful. The entire democrat establishment, including the popular vote president, suggested the elections was stolen for the duration of Trump's presidency. Hillary conceded, heart broken, dreams dashed and immediately joined a 4 year campaign alleging the election was stolen. Was Trump elected fairly in 2016? Did he steal the election? Do tell.

I wish you happiness, friend, but this no way to get there. Religious bigotry is not cool. I'll pray for you regardless, but consider: No tolerance, no peace. Know tolerance, know peace.

Even now though you parse like a good attorney will. The Steele document wasn't a political document, it was a propaganda piece designed to influence voters by spreading misinformation. Mueller's report on conspiracy was quite clear indeed, and criminal behavior uncovered or imagined is incidental to the question of the election being illegitimate or the president guilty of treason. AG Barr's recounting of political persecution by democrats et al was clear as well, and was spot on accurate. I agree with you in this respect..not the DOJs finest hour, nor the finest hour for democracy. I completely agree that there are degrees to consider in life, but you people seem to want to argue that while a mallet to the head of democracy is horrible, but using it about the arms, shoulders and rib cage is simply distasteful. The democrat body blows preceded anything Trump did by several years, and was completely acceptable to liberals. Last question. Pushing forward, in a political campaign, do we live with each party declaring the other person the treasonous bast*rd, the Russian or Chinese puppet, and that elections are stolen?

You cited a source but changed what the writer writ. That's bad form.

"You needed to lift a quote from someone and make it your own?". Source: https: //me.com/quotes/you're-not-really-a-hawk-you-idjit

Thanks for clarifying. No, I would not necessarily declare that "not on the same magnitude = acceptable". I made that assumption based on my recollection that along the way, I've never once seen you express concern over that sort of behavior being unacceptable. What issues specifically would you characterize as not "acceptable" from the dem platform 2016-2019? Spreading misinformation about the legitimacy of the Trump election? Declaring the election stolen? Working with foreign nationals? Illegal surveillance? Were the actions of the democrats 2016-2019 in the best interest of the nation, or did they divide the nation further? Did you believe evidence would be uncovered showing Trump conspired with Putin as alleged many, many times prior to the answer being revealed?

"...to the extent any of that actually happened..." is an acknowledgement and step in the right direction.

Everything about stolen elections, illegitimate presidencies, illegal surveillance, partnering with hostile foreign nationals to spread misinformation, and beyond is all acceptable? What a &^%$d up standard.

I guess when you said "It is what it is" you really meant "Talk more later". Welcome back. The entire process, from the dems declaring Trump an illegitimate president and running the grift into the ground, through Trump's claim of a stolen election was wrong. The version you support is the same version Joe McCarthy ran in the 50s. In that sense, it is what it was.

As expected. As you say, it is what it is.

I've spoken at length about that. Just in case you missed it, Biden was elected president. Trump will be guilty of criminal activity when he's found guilty. I detest the actions of the dems in 2016-2020, and detest the actions of Trump in 2020. However, I understand that when 2016 worked, it became highly likely that 2020 would end up in the same place regardless of who won the election. Sens Warren, Klobuchar and others set the stage for that with their concerns raised in 2019 about unsafe and unreliable technology in our election system. Have you spoken about the democrat scheme to derail a President, to subvert the will of the people, to cast doubt on the safety and security of our elections, and to remove a duly elected President in 2016?

No Frank, the one where democrats claimed Trump stole the election, was illegitimately elected, a puppet of Russia, and guilty of treason. The one where the disinformation campaign lasted 4 years. The one where intelligence agents waged a Go-Biden campiagn. I'm talking about the time before the time you suddenly found The Lord on election denialism and the threat to democracy therein. You must have been asleep during those days. We should change your screen name to Rip Van Frankle.

This reimagining of the dem/liberal actions post-2016 is preposterous. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-trump-is-an-illegitimate-president/2019/09/26/29195d5a-e099-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html If it was only a tired and hurt politician yammering aimlessly about stolen elections, we could pass it off as someone who was broken by her opponent. This was a constant, perpetual, never-ending refrain coupled with outrageous actions by people in power. Why do you support that sort of politicking, Frank?

I know what a cult is, you pompous fool, that's why I knew it was an insult. I'm apparently the only one.

Why do you keep changing the subject? You go from supporting a guy with a penchant for lobbing insults, to comments on the guy being a republican because of a screen name, to declaring that you'd vote for a guy in 2024 who will not be in the race. Are you a redtail hawk or not? Btw, I considered voting for Biden in 2016 had he chosen to run. I knew he was a career d*psh*t and gladhander, but the thought of Trump or Clinton bothered me. I'm glad it didn't play out that way, especially in light of all the baggage that has come out on Biden Inc. I'd likely vote for Kemp as well, but generally avoid voting for dead folks. That's a liberal thing.

I've been called a cultist for speaking out against 1/6 rioters, in support of the officer who shot an unarmed citizen and killed her, and in support of Mike Pence doing the right thing. These are some twisted sisters here for sure.