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😂 Of course there are Biden loyalists, many post here. Tens of millions in fact, but they prefer to suggest “I only voted for him because….” and the rest of the statement is “because I approve of his agenda!”. Biden’s loyal disciples use terms like “slippage”, or argue that when he claims his son died in Iraq that he really means Bethesda, and that when he copped to fondling women he’s just a man of certain age (the groping age, it would seem), or explain that his shakedown of Ukraine was what everybody wanted though no one had any actual proof of a combined front to fire the prosecutor beyond Biden’s Secretary suggesting it. I sincerely respect you acknowledging his wrongdoing. Good for you.

Same with claims of stolen elections. Same with concerns about the executive office shaking down Ukraine. Same with spreading vax fears and hesitancy. Same with inappropriate behavior with women. In fairness though I have to give @L Ron Burgundy props for suggesting what Biden did was “wrong”. Maybe not “wrong wrong”, “real wrong”, or “wtf were you thinking wrong”, but compared the other Bilderbergs for Biden loyalists, it’s something.

But you continue to argue that Biden took and maintained the classified documents knowingly, that is, revealed them only when politically necessary. That’s a different level of commitment to beat the system than “How could I ever know what’s in my garage??”. And btw, Goose and others actually argue that Biden didn’t do anything wrong. The Gooser even came up with the gem that @Doc probably couldn’t say with certainty how many screwdrivers or lawn & leaf bags he had in his garage. That’s right up there with Chicago is being attacked because it’s not the murder capital of the country, it’s only top 5. Your argument, btw, is why people are rallying to the conclusion that Trump is being targeted—-because you know what he did was wrong, they know what he did was wrong, but you think his version of wrongdoing is Presidential, while Trump’s is Alcatraz worthy. This is time #26 Trump haters reveal their hypocrisy.

Societally speaking, justice was served. From the perspective of family and friends of the victims, it was not. Sadly, that happens everyday. Absent recognition that it’s an imperfect system and bias, emotion, theatrics, interpretation of law and occasional animus factor into it all, you end up with Kempian logic, where one-sided dialogue rules, you’re worried about nazi’s hidden behind the mail box and the thinking the only case with a poor outcome involved as former Rb for the SF 49ers.

Why are you asking questions I’ve answered twice in great detail? Your OJ question is quite astute, too. Is it your contention that every case in the country, is free from bias, hostile prosecution, evidence tampering, police misconduct and political bias? Other than the OJ case though, the one Kemp outlier. Is that your claim here? You should read more, Kemp. To answer your question—because that’s what I do, unlike some here—I believe OJ murdered Nicole and Goldman. I think you stumbled onto a good analogy here though, in that the jury apparently saw and considered a flawed and broken justice system, considered evidence presented about the bias of the LAPD and its detectives and rejected the claims made. I also think a fair percentage of posters here, you included, would side with the jury today.

Here you go, Codger. I changed the font for emphasis. As of today, Trump is not guilty of any crimes. As of today, the same holds true for Joe Biden. That situation may change in the future. Thereafter, it may change again depending on the trajectory of the court system. That you don’t like the answer is your problem, not mine. I have no idea if he’s guilty as charged. I know that when a prosecutor brings a case before a Grand Jury, it is a lob-sided, indeed one-sided affair where evidence is presented to a group on individuals to make a decision on taking it to the next level. It’s the prosecution’s time to make their case, the cards are dealt in their favor, and it’s very rare that an indictment is not returned. I didn’t fact check this article, nor did I consider federal v state v local. I looked into this when I sat on a grand jury panel 7 or 8 years ago, and these numbers seem right. The system is designed to get cases to court, or affect plea deals, have defendants tap out, or be punished. These are facts. https://news.yahoo.com/ferguson-federal-grand-jury-indictment-statistics-history-134942645.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAFXDIl4gudszY7kzLXwtxRP0ZxMp5omNMdVGkcZ4u2y3s4Y3E9G2wtD06p5asy_IIUDJvg2jiBqpgjkmBwped0pwzIQ9v-51ZSdi7t6wDHxxzKT96earQ0C9aWyBSuESMK14fkMaggVEDXt8DPOZljSorPoBDS-OBVa4y9oskVkO In the more than 162,500 cases prosecuted by U.S. attorneys from 2009 to 2010, grand juries voted not to return an indictment in only 11, according to data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics — equivalent to one in 14,759 cases, or 0.0068 percent. That ship has sailed, and he is going to be tried for these charges. If I suspend cynicism and my belief that this is a politically motivated event, I can see a set of circumstances where he should be charged. Those circumstances include trading in national security secrets with foreign adversaries. I think the chances that happened are infinitesimal. Assuming that isn’t the case—-Big picture, given what we know about the complete clusterf$ckery of safeguards and classified documents, and that it seems to be the exception where safeguards are followed, and that decisions that “…no reasonable prosecutor…” would prosecute otherwise criminal acts, I think the actions of the SC are extremely, exceptionally, and almost unbelievably bad for the nation. Let’s also take this time to acknowledge that after I responded to your questions, you refused to answer mine. That’s weird. 🤫

We’re talking about people, not luxury vinyl flooring, Boomer.

And a woman’s right to choose, personal empowerment, and liberation from the patriarchy.

These photos actually support his premise, but if you feel compelled to reinterpret that’s ok, too.

I recall this from the last time we interacted a year or two ago. You posture, ask questions you seem to think are unassailable, and when answered, you put your head back into your shell like a frightened tortoise. You should not ask questions if you’re not prepared to deal with the answers that follow.

What on earth is this madness? If you have the receipts of a guilty verdict why are you holding back? As of today, Trump is not guilty of any crimes. As of today, the same holds true for Joe Biden. That situation may change in the future. Thereafter, it may change again depending on the trajectory of the court system. Be brave now— explain how he is guilty of crimes he is accused of, and why you’re comfortable with “guilty until proven innocent”? What’s funny about an investigation into criminal activity of a VP, based on information received from a source reportedly deemed credible by intelligence officials? What’s funny about 50+ intelligence officials providing a false narrative to influence the election? How would that be different than a foreign agency doing the same thing? Why are you anti-Russia when it comes to election meddling , but pro-meddling when it comes to American intelligence agencies and your guy doing it? Would you acknowledge the obvious hypocrisy in this position? As of today, neither has a criminal conviction, but let’s stay tuned. This is true. Until recently, it didn’t seem Joe Biden had much of anything to do with charities. Trump lost a civil suit, his victim leveraging a temporary change in the law during a time when common sense and reasonable standards were put on hold. We know this because the change in legislation was temporary. Trump may have sexually assaulted the plaintiff, the victim may have made the entire thing up. Who knows? Biden was accused of inappropriately touching women, and acknowledged doing it only after decades of similar behavior. Kamala Harris, his ultimate running mate, said she believed allegations of sexual assault against him, but it seems maybe you didn’t. His admission, and Harris deciding to partner with him, and folks like you supporting him prove one thing—-your system of values is pliable and malleable. In that regard, you’re like everyone else. Did Biden fondle women, and are you ok with him doing so? What about Kamala and her comments? Why would she partner with a guy she believes assaults women? If you judge another’s level of courage by their postings on an internet message board you sir are a lost soul. Next time you think you’re standing alone making a point, yelling at no one in particular “CULT! CULT! CULT!”, look around and see if you’re actually in a large crowd of true believers. Then, consider what the definition of a cult actually is.

I have no idea. There is a whole lifetime in politics before the nomination. I hate the run up, actually despise it because it represents a bunch of people typically lying about one another, a bunch of voters pretending to care about morality issues they clearly don’t care about. Two examples…Trump’s comments about McCain and his POW status were horrible. John McCain was as full of crap as, say Joe Biden, cut from the same cloth, and there was plenty to dislike him for as an R voter. Kamal Harris stated she believed Biden’s accuser who claimed he sexually assaulted her. That, coupled with his acknowledgement that he inappropriately touched a number of women should have disqualified him, but people liked what he offered and onward the process went. Additionally, it would be unwise not to consider the likelihood of a summer surprise, real, imagined or fraudulent. Over the past 8 years, we’ve proceeded to defcon 4, with accusations of fascism, overreach and tyranny, doors getting kicked in and evolving standards of justice, so who knows what comes next?

I’ll look into that aspect of the billion. Are you of the mind the transcript is bogus? Also, with regard to people in the room, that’s fair enough. On the other hand, with the proximity between his son, Ukraine and aid, there is a reason people recuse themselves from such things.

I appreciate your approach and started responding to your comments re: classified material and your time in the Air Force. A quick thought— a review of the transcript of the call between Trump and Zelensky reveals nothing nefarious. In fact, when Trump raises concerns about the former ambassador and the billion-dollar prosecutor, Zelensky seems to be of the same mind and certainly does not push back with the narrative that “everyone agreed he wasn’t good enough”. In retrospect, of course, given the whistleblower allegations it’s certainly plausible that Trump viewed Biden’s actions as sketchy and they probably were. I am always skeptical when “Everyone!” is used in connection with this sort of thing. It’s overly simplistic and begs the question—well, what actions did all those other concerned countries do to force the Uke’s hand and have the guy lose his job? Did they withhold aid, support, or even write a quick message on a post it pad? If the guy was worth freezing the Ukrainian people out of a billion, surely there must be a substantial paper trail detailing allegations of wrongdoing. It’s odd, too, that Joe didn’t mention all that when posturing about the billion. He sure made it sound like it was his call in that video clip. Anyway, I guess it’s probably true that when there is smoke, there is only fire in Republican states. Seriously, nice to have you here.

A buddy of mine was coaching my son’s little league team and decided to try the hard-a$$ approach. He told the kids that if there were any errors in practice, the player who made the error was going to the bench. As luck would have it, a few minutes in my son had a hot shot at shortstop, made a nice play on the ball but his throw to first was down and low and 1st baseman didn’t snag it. “Skin-nerd, hit the bench you redneck son-of-a-b&tch!” and off my son went, devastated and feeling he let the team and his coach down. As assistant coach, in the dugout, my tough little lad tearing up, I whispered rather forcefully “Stop crying, pull it together, it will be fine.” as Dads tend to do. Couple play later, his replacement, probably the best athlete on the team, now in at short, Es on a routine grounder. I watch the coach, he shakes his head and turns away, practice continues, no visit to the bench for the lad. Later on, couple days later, we get talking and the coach says “Lehn, you Gimme Back My Bullets mo’fo, you seemed pretty angry when I pulled your son.”. My response was “No, I wasn’t upset you pulled my son, he’ll be fine and it’s a good life lesson. You’re the head coach and while I thought your plan was extreme, it’s your call. I was angry when Steve bobbled the play and you pretended it didn’t happen. That was poor leadership and bad coaching. You make your bones when the rules apply to every player, especially the leaders.” His response was “You’re absolutely right. I’ll talk to Junior Lehn.” I told him it wasn’t necessary, that it was a great life lesson anyway you sliced it. I did suggest that in the future, maybe the $&@&ing first $&@&ing baseman could get his &&@&ing head out of his $&@& ass and stop worrying about impressing the $&@&ing girls and staring at the $&@&ing clouds in he’d have scooped the $@@&ing ball like a g-d first baseman gets paid to do! Anyway, launching a crusade against people extremely unlikely to slice your head off in retaliation follows the same life lesson imo. It’s pretty soft in the big picture, as those people tend to be. While I have taken some creative liberty with my story, the essence is 100% accurate.

And La Cosa Nostra.

That’s why they make popcorn, Westy. In the big picture, there are so many moving parts to all this that I don’t place much stock in that one way or the other. The Dems were willing to tear the country apart 7 or 8 years ago, and did their damndest to do just that. What was the fallout from that? They were going to bludgeon him one way or the other, we’ve moved into lions at the Coliseum territory. Old man Kemp is in another thread, spittle afroth, raging about 80,000,000 people being guilty of treason, and we’re only a few years removed from the HRC comments that tens of millions of Americans were deplorable and beyond redemption. Trump has to own this one. They would have come at him from another angle, they have unlimited funds, a legion of people willing to do the dirty work, and the assembled masses screaming for blood. The wild card—Trump had access to our nation’s secrets. What comes next?

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. This was an unforced error on Trump’s part. Taking Gov Huckabee’s comments into consideration, it was completely predictable that the Biden DOJ would act exactly as it did. It was largely irrelevant that other presidents, senators and members of Congress take classified documents when they leave office. What mattered is the decisions this DOJ would make, what supporters of this Administration would support, and the lengths they would go to eliminate the threat Trump poses to the status quo. It seems he thought the fact that the system allowed for and encouraged presidents to maintain classified information was reason enough to proceed, but he was mistaken. Now that we’re here, it’s time to get out the popcorn and see what comes next.

Oh, I assumed when you used language directing the insult at me, you meant to direct it at, well, me. I’ll shoulder the burden of misunderstanding here, and welcome to America, your English is spot on! And time may well prove you correct, one way or the other. It happens. I recall a story about Russian collusion and the like, so many stories, so many disappointed with the outcome. These things happen. Biden’s press secretary? Was Dr. Jill unavailable? In reading the transcript of the call, it appeared that President Zelensky shared President Trump’s concerns about corruption and the prosecutor who Biden insisted needed to be fired. All I can tell you is what I’ve heard and has been reported…a reliable source used by the FBI reported malfeasance by Biden and ironically, that story pay never saw the light of day until today, with the FBI really, really hesitant to share it as required by law. Let’s see where it goes, but certainly let’s not pretend this is a figment of one’s imagination. Either way is fine with me.

You thought he wouldn’t be indicted? Are you into the sauce again? Jesus, it’s Thursday night and you’re not a young man. Roundy said it was a tough day for the MAGA crowd. The question was did he think the MAGA crowd is surprised in any way, shape or form by the indictment? Every event leading up to today telegraphed the outcome.

Why? You think they saw it playing out differently?

My word, is that any way to engage in dialogue with a respectful poster who innocently asked a question? You're less L. Ron Burgundy and more L. Ron BillStimey these days. #sad Your comments related to my prodigious intellect notwithstanding, I would suggest you're naive to the extreme (or capable of lying fully, and completely to yourself). From the atrocity of the phony run up to the war in Vietnam, War for Oil with W. Bush, the 5 decades long crisis at the border, the phony Russia debacle, and what increasingly appears to be a massive payoff to Biden to shade policy decisions, I would gather the scope of corruption at that level is incalculable, not counting directing contracts to trusted friends, trading on information not available to the public, and promises for lucrative post-public sector jobs. Although, sure, maybe you're right and it's all Easter Bunnies and butterflies. 😐 The call with Zelensky was nothing then, and went nowhere because of it. In the calm light of day, knowing what is coming out with respect to Biden's potential involvement, he was likely right on the money. Zelensky agreed with him about the prosecutor Biden had removed under threat of aid being withheld, agreed the former ambassador was corrupt, and agreed to work toward better relations and reduced corruption. It was cordial and respectful. To be blunt, it's preposterous and laughable that you would cite treatment of a "political opponent" as some sort of moral benchmark. Your people accused Trump of treason, illegitimacy, and so much more, you ran a Gossip Girls takedown of Brett Kavanaugh and sincerely, you should consider cleaning up your own house before you worry about someone else's. "Foreign state" investigations....Christopher Steel and Joe Biden knocking out a Ukrainian prosecutor sniffing around his son's (and apparently, his) shady business practices. Please Ron, you're embarrassing yourself here. Georgia...the book is out on this one for me. As it stands now, I'd think similar calls are made during high stakes elections, and there is a difference between asking for a review/recount and suggesting voted be fraudulently created. In fact, Al Gore back in the day asking for a reinterpretation of votes that were cast seems much more in line with what happened in Georgia. A recap of the call clearly indicated Trump viewed something nefarious going on there. Right now, I'd say it's a maybe that he broke a law, though probably unintentionally and only when viewed through a hostile lens. An old adage occurs to me here...Physician, heal thyself. It's pretty cool that you are holding Joe B accountable for things he didn't know he had, which he never saw, touched, read, or moved to the garage. Or, you're subconcious mind is slowly acknowledging the whole "It wasn't me!" story makes no more sense than that of the mafioso with the body in the trunk suggesting "Geesh, I have no idea how Three Fingers Ronnie got there!".

Wait. How on earth could he be irresponsible when he has no knowledge he had classified information in his possession? Talk to me on Trump though. Happy to answer.

I feel like you really want eyes on you because you have something you need to say, but you seem to have lost track of who you need to say it to. It happens. See it through.