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It’s only uncertain to those not certain. For those who know what they know, certainty is assured. In other words, it’s like everything else in life. 🤷🏼‍♂️

I complied, trusted the recommendations generally, but there were obvious challenges as time went on. We received information on how to act/behave/conduct ourselves to protect the greater good, then found out those truly in the know often completely disregarded the directives for the rest of us. What was the most troubling in my opinion was the approach to managing protests and mass gatherings. That is to say, the lack of any sensible, consistent advice or guidance from scientists or the political leaders that they counseled with. So, 58 year old healthy male and his 56 year old healthy wife, looking to get together with their mid-twenties children from different households, and some additional family members was cause for grave concern of death, disease, and spread...but 20,000 people gathering together in cities and towns across the country week after week barely raised an eyebrow. I guess my question is always “Where the 🤬were the leading scientists and Faucci-types screaming from the rooftops that that sort of behavior was certainly leading to mass spread, illness and death”? You’re the science guy, and I understand you taking up the cause for your colleagues, but there was a major disconnect between what the public was told, the actions of key players, and the reality that we lived through. The medical community deserves a share of the blame for the distrust that surely follows. When you consider the ties between Wuhan, Faucci and his crew at NIAID, and the US government, naturally people are cynical.

Ah, the “laws are hard” and “Dems went soft” cat weighs in. If you’re speaking of the Clinton campaign and the foreign national, I agree with you. It’s apparently perfectly legal to work in unison with factions hostile to our republic, media sources, members of the IC and the outgoing admin to spread false and defamatory information about the opposition. I assume that sort of thing is quite common among traditional politicians, and members of the d and r party forged an uneasy alliance to look the other way. In fact, it’s probably similar to the situationally not so serious law about classified documents. If you’re speaking about Trump, the law while stained, tarnished and damaged along the way, worked itself out. These sir, are the facts that matter.

Oh crap, did you just gaslight me? (I’m not angry if you did, I just don’t know what it means).

But your eyes and ears didn't tell you anything, the democrats leaders you trusted without question (and select media members) told you where to look, what to hear, and how to think. You're thinking you came to some grand conclusion on your own, and that's really the problem. I assumed initially that the dems had something on Trump. I truly could not believe a political party would use another Joseph McCarthy Red Scare to try and influence an election. I didn't believe people could be duped again, and certainly not in such large numbers. When Trump declared he and his team were spied upon, I thought he was making it up and found it outrageous. I was wrong. Eventually it became crystal clear it was a bogus investigation established under bogus circumstances, and in spite of the full weight of the government crashing down upon everyone on Team Trump, we would end up here: The special counsel found that Russia did interfere with the election, but “did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple efforts from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign.” The problem in the end isn't your eyes and ears, it's your capacity to see past your own innate bias and willingness to be mislead. Anyway, time to move on.

Again, Tibs, this is what was published in the report, perhaps after the word salad Old Man Mueller and his team cooked up to get you all hot and bothered about the fact that he was unable to hang illegal action on Trump. What he did say, though was pretty interesting indeed. The special counsel found that Russia did interfere with the election, but “did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple efforts from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign.”

I don't know all the hip new phrases you internet kids use. I was mocking you for mentioning Mueller in support of your claims, then explaining why what he actually said in his report wasn't true.

Good Lord, you have every right to crown yourself King of Crazy Conspiracy Mountain. Here’s what you should suppose: Suppose you read Mueller’s report as it relates to collusion and conspiring again, and this time, read it for comprehension. It is….what it is. The goal was to run an investigation into non-existent “crimes” and get Team Trump on obstruction. That is to say, telling the American people that defending yourself against bogus charges is the real crime.

Let’s drill down on that though—as we see @Tiberius has created a whole separate narrative on what Mueller said and did. It’s a figment of his imagination, but it suits his point of view. It’s not that they are ignorant to the facts as you laid them out, it’s that in furtherance of their political leanings, they convince themselves that it’s ok because everyone does it.

This was your chance--right here, and you came up small in a big moment. While I distrust both Mueller and his motives, let's ee this through.....Mueller exposed Russia....and? Here, I'll help you help yourself: https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2019/03/mueller-concludes-investigation/ The special counsel found that Russia did interfere with the election, but “did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple efforts from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign.” That the Russians attempted to influence American culture and impact the outcome of the elections is not in dispute. If you've been paying attention over the past few decades---and I'm not certain you have or can--that's nothing new. It's not groundbreaking intel, and if you're naive enough to be drawn in by the fact that nations pry/attempt to shape outcomes in other nations, that's on you (again). You're being confronted with facts, and when the facts don't match your narratives, you resort to spouting gibberish. Be better.

That's it boyo, dig in deep and pull that mud over your eyes. Putin. Trump. and Mueller, too. Mueller was in on it for sure. This is you: 🙈🙉🙊

Yes, the leadership pushes forward knowing that people like Tibsy won't pick up on the shape shifting nature of their politics. The reality is they don't. When you think about it, it wasn't even 4 years between "the election was hijacked by Russians!" and "OMG our elections are unimpeachable!". The following statement from major players in the democrat party set the stage nicely for a second straight round of democrat election denialism should Trump have won. This statement was made a mere 11 months before 2020 election. It's a mainstream concept and we can expect much, much more it moving forward. People like Tibsy lack the self-reflection gene. https://www.warren.senate.gov/oversight/letters/warren-klobuchar-wyden-and-pocan-investigate-vulnerabilities-and-shortcomings-of-election-technology-industry-with-ties-to-private-equity Three private equity-owned election technology vendors serve 90% of eligible voters but fail to sufficiently innovate, improve, and protect deteriorating voting systems; Election security experts have noted for years that our nation's voting systems and election infrastructure are under serious threat

The simplicity of your explanation yields clues to why you're easily manipulated. You, as an extreme leftist, are as much a part of the problem as those on the extreme right, Tibsy, probably more given you bought into the collusion narrative long before Trump even considered stop the steal. It worked though, so we can all expect that will continue to be a concept used in mainstream American politics. I don't know if it's possible at your stage of life to unwind all the BS you've willingly consumed in your life, but you should try.

I think the Dems spread election misinformation, engaged in election denialism, and lied about evidence tying Trump to the Russians. I think they considered the historical perspective of McCarthyism, how well it worked and for how long, and weighed that against the damage claiming our electoral system was hijacked and illegitimate, and knew once people dove all in, they could change the narrative and folks like you would buy it. I think even they are probably amazed at how well it worked, so much so that I’m a 4 year period, they could get you to go from “the election was stolen” to “My God people actually believe elections can be stolen??!”. These are the facts Tibs. If you still think the 2016 election was stolen by Trump/Russia, you’re why this sort of thing happens.

Look, I worked hard for that Frendkle set up and you’re walking all over it! Absent interacting with crazies, which has happened a few times in my life, I find people are much more willing to engage in respectful dialogue face to face. I’m never going to convince a hard core activist on either side of the debate, but I’m not really interested in their views anyways. My liberal friends have every right to point out Trump’s inadequacies, and there are things I think politically that have some legs. His decision not to reel are his tax returns, for example. Never mind they were never going to show anything beyond he’s a wealthy guy filing the tax returns of the wealthy. On the other hand, in personal conversations, when confronted with mountains of evidence that Dems claimed Trump was not a legitimate president, was elected after a coup, and guilty of treason—-really, what can they say? I’m completely ready, willing and able to handle the Dems are innocent of such things, but it never happens.

One of the more interesting parts of this sad saga is that when folks on the other side lob bombs—calling people ignorant, simps, cultists etc—what they never deal with is the reality that democrats spread election misinformation, mislead the public, lied about what they had, and the fact that the entire ruse can be traced back to their leadership. Meanwhile, they’ve relied on the old adage that “…everyone knows…” that Trump has run a criminal enterprise for decades but has been far too crafty to be caught. As Chi said a while back, some of this stuff is hard to prove. Or, that Dems (likely) played politics on the 1/6 committee and tapped out. Or, that Dems, who, btw p, allowed the country to tear itself apart while concealing the Clinton/DNC connection to the Russia hoax, went soft. It remind me of the original airing of “War of the Worlds”, but with the twist that when the locals were presented with evidence it was just a well-played fanciful tale, mass hysteria kicks in and half the population screams “Everyone knows that’s what Martians would say!”.

Then let it be mine, and yours be yours. That’s the point of tolerance. Live, let live. Consider, for a moment, if we all stopped being less Frenkle, and more Friendkle?

Choose tolerance, Frenx. And it’s “altar”, ya maroon.

Trump exposed his throat to his enemies here, likely figuring since classified docs go missing after high profile people leave office, no one says anything. The consequences are easy to see thereafter. That said, the MSM and CNN in particular have a lousy track record on news stories related to Trump. in spite of secret sources deep in the bowels of the Russia investigation, they were way behind the curve on what actually happened. When the classified files came into play, they seemed to have no idea that this sort of thing has gone on for decades with democrats and republicans alike. They missed on the IC misleading the country on the Biden laptop and the discovery of classified material at Biden’s houses just prior to thr My only question is whether it was incompetence or they deliberately fed a false narrative to an easily influenced base. Maybe this time they get it right, but I’ll wait.

I’m sure that’s a high quality and relevant clip, but I’ll pass. Maybe you can explain the connection you made. Use your words, again.

I recognize the pathological desire to bypass one’s own hypocrisy, and forgo commentary on Team Biden, his daughter’s diary, his son’s hook ups with his brother’s widow, the crack thing, the denial of paternity, the truth about paternity, the stripper pole and Joe’s refusal to engage with his grandchild. But..what exactly is the “trailer park” angle you see here?

The debt ceiling deal was not made prior to the 2020 election, Red, when folks like yourself voted the party line and all that came with it. I’m all for respectful dialogue but you’re starting to sound a bit like JB. Soon you’ll be calling me Molly Hatchet.

Hey Buff…I have a true small business—less than 10 employees and no, I have not been approached on anything related to social credit modeling. Well, let me clarify—my retirement plan is with Vanguard and periodically I will receive marketing material dealing with this sort of thing. I have an old 401K that is in the process of being moved to a new custodian and I am concerned about that transition. I have no desire to sacrifice return in exchange for socially conscious investing, though I can see where some might. More on the cultural issue later…

Sure, but your guy(s) spread election misinformation, your guy(s) lied about evidence tying Trump to the Kremlin, fostered and encouraged national discord, spread COVID misinformation and vax confusion, and the leader of the crew stumbles around like a punch drunk boxer making all sorts of claims that reflect immaturity, dumbassery, and lies to rival the old guy. These facts are indisputable. In the end, people vote for ideas that help them at home. It would be silly to argue that some people voted for Biden because they didn’t like Trump—of course that happened. Importantly though— policy matters , for example—it sure gets a lot easier to vote for the tired old punch drunk boxer when he offers to take care of a your personal debt. It’s silly to argue otherwise.

It’s ongoing social dialogue, some people are interested, some quite passionately. It would seem that DM is a master marketer, popping up from time to time and likely making quite a bit of money in the process. A few years back it was the 16 Kids and Counting family. To me, the interesting part is the corporation deciding they didn’t like their client base. As a small business owner, I really don’t understand that. AB will survive, perhaps flourish again. For me, it wasn’t about beer cans with DM, it was the whole “we want to move away from our core buyers”. As for sports, I agree with you. I have compassion for people struggling with gender identity and hope they find happiness, but the answer that a female athlete is a female athlete so long as they are able to reach/sustain designated testosterone levels through medical manipulation seems contradictory at a minimum. 🤷🏼‍♂️