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We have a serious bleach addition problem in my family, too. Developed last night. Empty bleach bottles strewn about this morning. I found my cousin curled up in a corner wrapped in a Keep America Great flag with two empty bleach bottles next to him. This, everyone, is the status quo that should be preserved.

We’ll never know what a right-wing boogeyperson would have done. But we know that Trump did. Or didn’t do. And that’s take this situation seriously. It was never a hoax. It was never going to be wished away. And those are things that trump simply can’t undo.

Too late. Started on a bleach power hour 30 minutes ago. Why kill COVID with a hammer when you can hit it with a nuclear weapon? Thank goodness for the stable genius.

Here's the quote: “Then I see the disinfectant, one minute. Is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it’d be interesting to check that so that you’ll have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds interesting to me. So we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, where it goes in one minute. That’s pretty powerful.”

That's a pretty tangible thing that he accomplished. And exactly what he ran on. All the other stuff he ran (Mexico paying for static border security, use of eminent domain to take property from private landowners to accomplish Mexican-backed static border security, improving healthcare, 6% GDP growth, more manufacturing jobs for Americans, exhausting winning) can wait until the next term, right?

Fake news. I post lots of serious stuff. And I am fulfilled. Thousands, for sure, as of the start of this year: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/479041-fact-checker-counts-16k-false-misleading-claims-by-trump-in-three April. He tried to wish it away by April. Last I checked, it's still here.

Heavy doses of Fox News will suppress the virus. Gotta be it.

Would have been great if the ball was rolling six weeks before that. Like, around the time the virus was a hoax and we had 15 cases moving toward zero. opportunity lost, I guess.

“You weren’t called on!”

Hoax.

Are you suggesting that Kostabi now is washed up? I don't think that's the case. In any event, I'm pretty confident that he's not a psycho. So I wouldn't expect him to join you on the washed up psycho list anytime soon.

The reply also suggests that his inclusion on the snowflake list was warranted.

Fake news. I'm not like either one. One more reason why you're on the fake news list. Also, I have now placed you on the bad grammar list based on your disrespect for the serial comma. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_comma

I don't think I made the allegation, so I don't know what context you're referring to. I think I chimed in to say that ignorance is not a defense to his nonsense statements w/r/t coronavirus. Of course I think the guy is a hopeless, habitual liar, and the anecdotal evidence in terms of how busy he keeps fact checkers every time he opens his mouth speaks for itself. But I'm not going to get into the "proof" question you posed because I don't think this was my allegation.

Lawyer checking in again. "Absolute proof" is not the relevant standard. It's not even "beyond a reasonable doubt" here. In point of fact it's preponderance of the evidence, which is a much lower bar than the first two standards. (Unless, of course, the lies are alleged to be criminal, in which case we'd be back to beyond a reasonable doubt.) An act such as a lie also can be proven through circumstantial evidence, for what it's worth. Carry on.

1. You phrased the question improperly. It is decidedly not a yes or no question. If you wanted to make it such, you'd say, "Isn't it true that ignorance is not the same as lying, yes or no?" 2. Since you allowed for a narrative response, I'll give you one. Ignorance is not the same as lying. But willful ignorance, which is what is at issue here, can produce the same result as a lie. Intentionally ignoring facts and information that would produce a conclusion different from that desired by the speaker is tantamount to the same behavior. Hiding behind the failure to acquire knowledge that was there to be acquired, which is what happened here, can have the same effect as lying about the knowledge in the first instance.

You're right about the distinction. There's an axiom in the law, though, that ignorance is not a defense. It fits Trump here.

Not sure what you're talking about. I can't see why we wouldn't be optimistic, but guardedly so, about today's data. The numbers today, while a good sign, provide opacity but not clarity. Not sure what prior numbers you're referring to or what your complaint is there.

Bailout for the domestic oil industry. I'm not complaining; I think it's a good idea.

Fake news. Probably straight from your commie handbook. I do recall that you're on the washed up psycho list. And the snowflake list. So there's that. *** Dave Chapelle, dressed as George W. Bush, was even more prescient than he could have realized. "Mars, b*tches": https://theweek.com/speedreads/910577/trump-adviser-suggests-reopening-economy-by-putting-everybody-space-outfit

They should, you're right. Unfortunately testing has been deficient so we're in the dark so numbers w/r/t infection rate, hospitalization rate, mortality rate, etc. still are imprecise. I'm not a doctor, but I reached the same conclusion. Well stated on your end. Well said.

Fake news. I never wrote that. But congratulations are in order because you have made the snowflake list, too.

Have I put you on the snowflake list yet? In case I haven't, let's end the debate. You're on it.

See above.

I completely agree with all of those things (I'm not ascribing to the math, but I share the view that the death rate is lower than now believed to be). I still believe in proceeding cautiously because of the unknown, e.g., whether there is immunity and whether the test numbers are accurate. A sewage study of and in the tested areas might be a good idea.