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So now it’s the MSM’s fault? How about this. The rhetoric is awful everywhere. The kid probably was poisoned, but that’s neither here nor there. He still wasn’t strong enough or raised right or whatever to recognize that we don’t shoot people for having an opinion.

I don’t agree with the DP at all. And I don’t think there should be a fast lane. But if there is … something like Thai probably fits the bill. Seems like a clean case.

How do you know these people are liberals?

I don’t disagree with a lot of what you said. I point this out to illustrate the paradox of the situation. The family appears to be LE, and probably were/are Trump supporters based on what I saw on the news. This doesn’t mean it’s a “MAGA” slaying, or that the “left” shouldn’t own its lack of empathy for Kirk and his family, not to mention its vitriol preceding this slaying. (MAGA is just as guilty of the vitriol.) The rudimentary points are that we’re a divided country with a-holes on both sides, that we all shouldn’t be so quick to judge, and that we all should have a little more respect and empathy for one another.

But again, where is this Antifa boogeyman? If it’s out there, somebody should do something about it.

I don’t know whether he did. I seem to recall him insulting Tim Walz. Point is, a good leader treats all of this crap equally and doesn’t distinguish by party affiliation if the victim or perp. America needs a leader with the guts to tell the truth and to say it’s all BS - J6, this, Minnesota, Steve Scalise, whatever, and move this country forward. I disagree. Words matter. I do not disagree that Patel is LE.

Look, I think trump is an abomination. But that statement is ridiculous. Where do you get this stuff from? And, if true, what’s the explanation for not doing anything about it?

Two mothers will lose sons here. We all have to have a little friggin empathy in this country. Those awful comments illustrate how bad social media can be.

I don’t know if all of MAGA is doing that. Again, let’s not paint with a broad brush. But the people who are making this out to be some sort of “leftist” issue? Yeah, they were premature and seem to be wrong.

That’s not what you said. You said “is a lawyer part of LE.” Not is THAT lawyer part of LE. Nuance matters.

You’re painting with a broad brush. Who are these liberals?

Does Antifa actually exist? Wasn’t that sort of some 2020 boogeyman BS, kinda like those dog eating Haitians in Springfield that no longer are of concern? And if it does exist, how come nobody has done anything about it in the last, say, nine years?

Depends on your definition of LE, but not really, no.

Nope. Haven’t heard of it. And I disagree about the volume issue. It’s hard for me to take any complaint about political violence seriously if one is to whitewash J6. That set a very bad precedent. Political violence is all wrong - every bit of it - and we can’t be selective or dismissive of any of it. It’s time to stop keeping score and put an end to all of this madness.

It’s no different from what Trump does and has been doing, which of course doesn’t make it right. That lovely July 4 message sums it up. All of it has to stop. Who is they? And was Minnesota wrong, too? Let’s not be selective about hyperbole and outrage here. In any event, what’s your solution for this?

If this implies that Minnesota wasn’t wrong then you’re just as bad as the Twitter goofs you’re worried about. This obviously is a bigger story than Minnesota because Kirk had a national profile and this assassination was stark and dramatic and also captured on film. It is a much bigger story than Minnesota. But that doesn’t mean that it’s a greater tragedy than what happened there. Both are equally awful.

Actually I have not. But even then, what does it matter? It’s an abhorrent act that unfortunately is not altogether isolated. Political violence is growing. It all has to stop, no matter who does it. J6 was wrong, Minnesota was wrong, this is wrong and frankly horrifying. I’m sure there’s more I missed. It’s all too much, and both sides are responsible.

Wrong. There is no core difference between the two. Both are abhorrent. Why is it so hard to say that it all has to stop?

Do you ever highlight right wing stupidity? There’s plenty of it to go around. Including in this board. What’s your point?

It was your word upthread. Social media is a big part of life. The shoe fits on both feet. Of course nobody should cheer the murder. It's abhorrent. All of the abhorrent stuff on social media has to stop, and it runs both ways. Let's not pretend it's a one-sided issue.

Do you disagree that all of this has to stop? And, while there are instigators on both sides, in this forum it's fairly clear that there is more instigation on the right side of the aisle. So it's natural that the responses apply to those contentions.

Irrespective of the affiliation, he was a pretty socially conservative guy. Not that it really matters. You're right about the rejoicing, largely because Kirk was a more public figure. It's all wrong and it all has to stop. Again, you paint with a broad brush. And you downplay the Minnesota point. Didn't that guy target a whole bunch of Democrats? Where's the outrage about that? If we're really going to fix this, we can't have this selective anger. It's all wrong or none of it is wrong. And, to be clear, all of this BS is wrong.

Sadly, this is probably going to be one of those impossible paradoxes that we have in today's society. I'm going to guess that he's some whack job kid rebelling against a conservative dad in Utah, and the blame wheel will go round and round with the right blaming all "woke" and the left blaming the dad for screwing up the kid. I hope I'm wrong and the kid is just a jerk. (By definition, he is, but an "apolitical" jerk is what I'm getting at.) Lots of character by that dad, that's for sure. I don't know if I could do it.

As far as I know, anti-LGBTQ and anti-abortion. 2024 GOP primary voter, which I mention only because I suspect you're going to get into the Twitter trash about alleged "leftism." The point remains that what happened to Kirk was abhorrent, and what happened to those people in Minnesota is equally abhorrent. Let's not pretend that all of this nonsense is a one way street, and that we don't all have to work together to clean it up. None of this is remotely acceptable, and we all have to do our part to stop it.

I believe you said the nurse hates "someone." You're worried about the nurse projecting her views of an entirely different person to you in violation of the law and whatever moral responsibility she might have. I'm concerned that, taken to a logical extreme, your projection makes it pretty tough for anyone to trust one another. What about those Minnesota lawmakers? Not that it remotely justifies anything here. Point is, people on both sides are wrong, and it all has to stop.