John Adams

Yeah, because Mike Vick is a good guy and Ben Rothelsberger has been treated with kid gloves. Racism exists. Don't make it worse by posting rubbish that feeds the racists.

So in order to honor our fallen, in your opinion, we have to win over every chief like Alexander did and establish a government formed from the won-over chiefs. Which amounts to forming a country where there is currently none. And then, we have to do something to stop Iran, which either is or should be our ultimate goal. Is that about right? I'm kind of a bottom line guy--this is your plan for how we win in Afghanistan right? (See how I did that in 3 sentences BTW.)

Are you off your meds? And why are you calling me Sean? And happy 60th.

Quick go take the SATs.

Doesn't happen on mine.

You obviously value the life in the Gulf of Mexico more than the panoply of life in ANWR.

Please proceed.

BTW, the verbosity jabs to OC go way back. It hits a soft spot on him so I keep doing it. Guy blathers on more than a drunk 19 year old co-ed after a Jonas Brothers concert.

Yeah. Exciting moment but not controversial on that call.

I disregard your opinion because you don't have an MBA. That and the analogy was absurd. Businesses have a million options, none of which cost trillions and get people killed.

That's a weak argument. I value the opinions of the service on military matters more than others but that doesn't mean others can't be right. If your POV was right, we'd all be slave to only giving input on matters in which we are expert. Back a bit more on topic, I know LOTS of people who have served who want us to get the eff out of both these dumb wars because they think we're sending these kids out to die with no way to "win," whatever winning even is. And I agree with them. Or they with me. The question I put to you is "How do you win in Afghanistan to honor the fallen?"

You just compared fighting a war to managing a law firm? Your analogy is so stupid it doesn't deserve considered response and your argument that "You didn't serve so STFU" is nearly as juvenile. You'll do anything to avoid answering the question.

No, the one that allows them to rewrite the order when the first one is found unconstitutional.

TOM MODRAK DRINKS BABIES BLOOD

#3: Hang my skeleton from the oak tree on Halloween.

By all means, don't answer the question. Your answer to Darin is absurd but I'll let him play whack-a-mole on you.

When I was putting together my wishes, I looked into this since I agree with you that I'd like to think my dead body will go to pushing up daisies and feeding worm instead of locked in a concrete capped underground prison do no good whatsoever. What I found was that there are very few of these green cemeteries and it's a pain to just push up daisies so I went with (1) "use any useful parts" (2) let students look at anything else (3) torch what's left and scatter it in a place that's meaningful.

Summed up, you say "You're wrong," in your usual verbose manner. And provide no cogent argument. Tell me: How do we win in Afghanistan and honor all the dead there? Show your work. I'll leave out Iraq for the sake of simplicity.

It's not points in the 5th set. They need to win by 2 games.

I call BS. 100%.

I don't dishonor the dead by wanting the living back home. I honor the living by not wanting them dead. There is no "win" in Afghanistan because there is no country of Afghanistan. It's a mapmaker's invention, not a nation you can conquer and change. Maybe we could make up a way to "win" in Iraq but also highly unlikely. If you think there is a way to win (not that anyone has bothered to define win in the first place), you're naive. Vietnam is a bad comparison by any measure, but in particular loss of life. Still, getting out of Vietnam was 100% correct and happened far to late for the thousands who died unnecessarily. Do you think another 30 years would have left Vietnam appreciably better than it was today? And if so, would it have been worth it to the tens of thousands more who died? No way. And with respect to money concerns, you're head is buried (to quote my pal Magox) if you are willing to overlook the trillion we uselessly spent in Iraq/Afghanistan so far. Right now we're a trillion down and more trillions to go with no end or value in sight for all that money wasted except that our military is better-trained in urban and mountain warfare.

Well done! Tom is not autistic. His post shows how much he cares he loves us all.

Pussies.

The non-vaccinators are nucking futs.

I'm not OK with us leaving Iraq/Afghan after !@#$ing it all up and at the same time, I'm fine with it. The lesser of two evils is to get our money and people back. We don't have the money to be spending a trillion dollars every 7-8 years on this unwinnable expedition unless we just start taking the oil for ourselves. Plan? Hasn't been one since we started.