Georgia Bill

It's not over yet. For us, the playoffs have begun. One more loss and we are toast. If we win them all (ok stop laughing), we are in.

Except this Sunday!

Jealous for sure. Just a little slice of that would be heaven for Bills fans!

If the game is on DirecTV it will also probably be available on one of the many underground internet streaming sites. Not that I would ever watch anything like that or anything.

I don't think that is true at all. We've had a virtual non-stop turnstile of coaches and QB's. Nothing remotely close to continuity in my book.

To me it seems that Orton is worse when the pressure is greater. Maybe that's normal, but we obviously need better. I'm not talking pressure by the defense, I mean pressure on him to deliver, because the particular game ("must win"), or circumstance in the game - calls on him to deliver. Hell, he knows if he plays lights out and heroically in those circumstances, he'd be a Bills god and secure his future. Or, the opposite, fail, and the Bills are just one more team in his turnstile career. We got the latter, which is what we should have expected. If you leave him in now, when the playoff pressure is off, hell, he might start to deliver again, but will we really be learning anything? Why not start EJ, and by the end of the season find out whether he actually has any future with this team. We should pretty much know what we have with Orton by now. He's not the savior riding the white horse.

My hopes were dashed and I was really upset after the NE game. Thought was if we aren't good enough to beat them at home, we really don't deserve to be thinking playoffs. After that, the KC loss really proved to me it was over - letting must win games that we control turn into implausible losses gave me the deja-vu "here we blow again" feeling. Last nights game was a perfect microcosm of the last 14 years. Nobody circles the wagons like the Bills, until they find a way to let the wheels fall off. Well at least I get my Sunday's back again - no more sulking for me.

You mean win them all and they're in don't you. From that perspective you are correct the Bills fully control their own destiny. No more excuses - just win!

Weren't we saying "next 4 games" just a week ago? Now we just ignore the pathetic loss to KC and say "next 3 games". I WANT us to win all 3, but no way I expect us to. Yesterday was frankly a must win and we lost, in gut wrenching fashion (again). With all that said, if we get into December with a mathematical chance, I'll be Billieving - again.

What sucks is every year I tend to judge how well we've done by how late into the season it is before we are eliminated. Get us into December with a mathematical chance and I start drinking serious quantities of kool aid. But then, year after year, it's eventually over.

That hurt. I remember thinking that 4 points lost was probably going to come back to haunt us. I really feel like we had 2 tries to get 2 yards for the 1st, and should have ran. I know everyone is saying if they ran and we got stuffed we'd all moan about the conservative play calling, but this team needs to be able to push forward for a measly 2 yards when they need it.

-great drive, last play running the ball in - oops fumble (player fault) -another great drive, at the 4 yard line, force 3 throws, settle for 3 (coaches fault). That's 14 shoulda points, turned into 3. -McKelvin fumble gives KC the ball - KC scores, and all of a sudden they sense this is a ball game (players fault). -down 4, first down at the 15, force 4 throws into the end zone - no attempt to just get the 1st, get 0 points (coaches fault). While it took both players mistakes and coaches play calling to lose this game, I'm much more pissed off at the play calling. We didn't need heroic passes to the endzone. Just a couple decent runs like we'd been getting most of the day. Man that game was hard to watch

I agree it's going to take 10-6 to get in, and also think not all 10-6 teams will get in. If all goes as well as we could reasonably expect, we would probably need to beat NE in NE the last week to secure a spot. My fantasy - we beat NE and take the AFC East crown. Sweet revenge for the loss here in Buffalo Lot's of ball between now and then, I'm planning to enjoy the ride. Loving this D and the switch to Orton!

Yeah, I don't know how I'l show my face at work tomorrow.

You won't catch me complaining about a win . The only thing I'm sorry about is that we lost both our starting running backs.

Yes going .500 is bad, we've been going around .500 for far too long, and missing the playoffs because of it. Against the Patriots we are .086 the past 12.5 years. A tad under .500 I'd say. As was mentioned earlier until we can start to at least beat NE at home about half the time, we are going nowhere. It was incredibly disappointing to suffer another loss to them today. To soothe the wound I know what I want for Christmas. Beat NE in NE the last week of the season to win the AFC east, bumping NE out of the playoffs in the process. Unlikely, but might end up within the realm of possibility this year.

The fans deserve better - this is BS - the last 12 and a half years and we are 2-23 against the Patriots. They count their win before the game is played, and who can blame them. Everyone can get jacked up about how good we are all they want, til you can beat the damned Patriots at home at least half the time, you have no prayer in the AFC East, or in the cough cough playoffs. Ground hog day

It's a team sport, and Mario makes Williams and Darius that much better. As a unit they played incredibly well, I see nothing to complain about. Just because someone is paid 2x or 3x someone else does not mean you can expect them to "play" 2x or 3x better. They are really jelling as a group and I'm loving what Schwartz is doing..

Agree and I really hope he gets to play in some playoff games. He deserves it. Would love to see him bull his way through when everything's on the line!

+1 Wow, you don't have high standards do you? He has to smoke the #1 defense in his first start in order to impress you!

All we can do at this point is HOPE that Orton can be a competent game managing QB (and that the rest of the team is as good as most of us think it is). This coming game would be a tough one for any QB, much less one who has never started for his team, so I'm not expecting miracles on Sunday. As someone else said the Patriots and Jets games will be more telling. Too bad, I liked EJ and really wanted him to be successful. If Orton sucks after 3 games (or gets injured) we might yet see him again. For now, despite many saying it is unlikely - let's hope Orton can ride a reborn Buffalo beast to some wins!

I agree about the gameplan being classic overthinking. Let's see, the Giants rolled over them with the rushing game, we have a couple great rushers, soo, since they'll be practicing to stuff our run game all week, we'll suprise the hell out of them and pass like crazy. Big problem is we don't have the QB to pull that off - duh. Also, on the long 80 yd throw to Mike Williams, I love seeing a score, but after seeing the replay I noticed Williams all alone downfield, waving his arm at EJ "hey I'm open, lookie here!!". Did EJ only see him because of that? I worry that may be the case, that the game is too fast for him and he can't scan his options fast enough.

You win some, you lose some. Then you're at .500, our comfy place

When we beat Detroit next week and EJ plays solid you'll all be singing his praises.

To me, it will say a lot if we win this game. I say that because San Diego is a playoff caliber team that is likely to end the season with better than a 9-7 or 10-6 record. If memory serves through all of our dismal 6-10, 7-9 years, we rarely if ever have beaten a playoff caliber team, or team that ends up with a better than .500 record. We've been perennial "bottom feeders", only beating weak, lower tier teams. When that is all you can do you will never break .500 yourself. Beating Miami or NY, or even a questionable Chicago, does not mean nearly as much to me as being able to win games against the mid to upper echelon teams. I'm not convinced we are there yet (but remain hopeful).