JP51

So I am not sure any of us are in the know.. but I get the feeling at this point after Williams Cook is being stubborn... I might be wrong... but he and Williams are are so close I cant see Beane saying 9mm... he is probably saying 10-12... Last I heard from Cook was 15-17mm or no deal... now again, this is just what I am hearing reported... so I honestly have no idea if this is true... but if we go by what is being reported (understanding that this may be questionable) this is Cook and his agent taking a stand IMO... and if he continues the stand then yes he could very well find him self either going the way of Bell... or sitting for a bit, not having a stellar year testing the open market next year and finding out that he is getting offers of 10 or less... Before the Williams deal I would have 100% agreed...

I think I am changing my viewpoint here... I felt like there was some hope to get him signed before the season, but likely it went to a protracted hold out till week 10.. But I am now kinda with you here... I think the Kyren Williams deal 3 for 33 changed that... to increased Bills leverage... and Cook and his agent maybe questioning if 15-17mm on the open market is a realistic expectation (and it definitely wont be realistic for next year if he sits out)... that may force him to move... so I definitely feel like they either work a deal out before the season, or an in season extention happens... but I honestly dont see him not showing up for games this year.

I think with the contract of the Rams RB a deal gets done before the season with a fairly good probability... And it won't be what Cook wants... that said if he isn't gonna be reasonable and sticks to his 15mm to i have heard 17mm this is gonna drag on till game 10 and get dicey that's my view. Cause he ain't getting no 17mm or 15mm for that matter 11 or 12mm is where I think he slots it... again just my opinion

I dont think this ends gracefully unless he signs a contract before week 1 ... If not I think it ends in week 10 acrimoniously I really feel like he is dug in and honestly not gonna work out well for anyone... but yet I also have hope that this sit in is because we are close to a contract and he is looking to get them to move... but if that doesnt happen... I think this gets ugly...

Agreed here.. if you need smelling salts to get your head straight then maybe thats a bad idea... even if not in concussion concern wouldnt it be best to wait until your consciousness came back normally... I also heard that they have a negative effect on the spleen.... so there is that LOL ....

I would agree with this

I completely get the spirit here... you could go with Edmunds, Phillips, Hughes, Singletary, Teller etc... sure they made impacts on their teams if they are starters and being productive etc... but the bottom line to me the only one that I think got away that we mismanaged was Teller... the rest I go with the Juice wasnt worth the squeeze, sure Edmunds is productive... is he 15mm productive... not to me... Hughes was productive to a point, was he 10mm productive, not to me... his performance was already falling off... Singletary, sure he started and did a bit but were we gonna pay him when we had Cook... so to your point, the folks we let go we made the triage cap move... you have to identify those players that are going to command a percentage of your cap that doesnt measure with thier impact and contribution to your team... with significant consideration to their replacement and their potential production.... (James Cook is in this debate with McBeane currently) ... so to me your thought is very much on point.

I saw this I love when he throws and people are just floored...

I know but cmon... cant you see a resemblance... LOL I think they were gonna use dna from the spleen to be sure LOL

I am in Tampa, I have no choice LOL... well actually I do... I see their games a lot, he really has done a nice job with them... Down here people are kinda in the well... he isnt Jamais Winston... or Josh Freeman... and probably played as well as Brady did his last year here... and they didnt have to suck for 10 years to get a guy... but I am not sure they see him at this point as a savior... More like a Andy Dalton or even like a Tua... I will say this he seems very much engaged in the community and he is definately not causing needless drama... I will be interested to see him with another year in the system... but I digress....

Well I figured Baker and Dawson would do it... but noted next time I do a (I mean lets face it) frivilous comparison I will be sure to include them LOL.. .kind of like you I am down near Tampa myself (Crystal River) but only for 2 years... I am trying with little success to incorporate a 2nd favorite NFC team (The Bucs) into my consiousness... but alas... I havent been able to do it... I think its still too soon... I will end up rooting for the lightning before becoming a true Bucs fan... That said, i have watched him and find myself kinda rooting for him... he is not a bad deal for Tampa for sure... keeps them in the playoff contention so I agree great find and really you dont see the resemblance?

I agree training camp fodder unless somehow he is a revelation.. but 90% training camp fodder. Spector probably goes on IR, gets cut, or whatever... we fill the spot.

Ok just a little fun... saw a pic of Baker and it occurred to me damn he looks alot like Dawson... thoughts for fun?

I appreciate the work here... feels like whistling by the graveyard to me... if it happens it happens like that... excellent... but we still need to be better than Baltimore and KC if we want the superbowl.. we need to focus on that... we can start by trying to lock up the 1 seed...

I 100% agree with this... unless this gets ugly and is unresolved into the season... he doesnt play, holds out to game 10 or whatever the last game is and then tries to comeback so he can get his year in. Ugly things happen then when a player is coming back at a time when supreme focus is required... if he doesnt handle it properly, sits and pouts and takes it to the media cause he is not playing etc... then it can become distracting... In the camp time... this stuff is done all the time, players get it and may have done it or thought about it as well... you only have so much time to be paid and as a 200lb RB who puts his nose in the pile 10 -20 times a game... clearly that longevity is at risk in a precarious way.... Bottom line, this should not be a distraction unless it is handled poorly by both parties and extends deep into the season... JMO Last thing I will say, a prolonged hold out is really risky for him as well... Ray D comes in and produces in a similar way and the team moves on like next man up... that is gonna hurt his negotiating on a league wide level... I also recognize that he and his brother are not the same people... but I can imagine people have Dalvin in the back of their minds going we hope he doesnt fall off that cliff... etc... this is a really interesting exhibition of negotiation for sure...

AJaaaaaaaaaaaay!!!! LOL but seriously are we even going to be able to field a team at this point if we have 2 or more guys a day going down... clearly an exaggeration... but is this recency bias and I am just forgetting other years? or is this year worse than most... seems to me it is...

Thats the quadry right... you have a RB who had 1 excellent season... he finished 1st (tied) for TDs 16th in Rushing Yards 18th in rush yards per game 8th in ypcarry 22nd in first downs 30 ish in recieving yards 26th in total yards from scrimmage 16th in 20+ runs He wants paid like a top 3 RB at 17 mm or whatever... I wonder if he signs with the Cardinals or the Jets, Patriots, Saints, Cowboys, Bears, Giants, Packers, Steelers, Browns, etc... if he is number 1 in TDs again... or was that production a function of the an offense that moved the ball at will... Just looking at stats... you see where there is a quandry behind wanting to groom and keep your own and investing 17mm plus into this player... I dont know if he should or shouldnt do it... but in he end he cant let this tear the team up... I suspect he is likely to cut bait here unless the contract is substantially less than 17mm...

Well for sure... I was teasing about the rubber mats and bike thing... but I am not sure this is the best decision for him especially if it becomes acrimonious... and move into him sitting out... I cannot image that would add value on the outside for a contract. Flip side is from his point... and if I get hurt what does that do... I just hope this resolves pleasantly...

I think I read from another poster and I agree... to me this is a clear change in stance... why though... well sounds like they are talking and JC is putting a stake in the ground... so either they get this done soon... or it kinda blows up... but to me something is happening on this front that will cause a definitive direction.... deal or acrimony.... quite interested to see how this plays out... but at least he wont get hurt on the bike... take up the rubber mats though... LOL

Literally... like holy crap...

Congrats Marv!

Kevyn Adams says hold my beer....

Saw a pic of him standing next to Max... that dude is also a physical specimen.... they list him at 205... he looks closer to Bernard than 205... maybe optics...

Frankie Says.... IYKYK

I am with you from everything I am hearing is that he looks a lot like the old tre... problem is tre is getting old and he has had major injuries.. but if he can come in and regain some of his old form and not be required to Island the other teams best receiver all game... what a huge win for us. And man would an improved pass rush help....